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This game as a whole feels like a parody of the harem genre.

If you look at this from the lens of a dude that's just kinda skimming through text in a hentai game so he can get to the good parts, well, that's kinda how Sensei acts.

He's not an asshole per se, he just doesn't care enough to care (if that makes sense).

The game (for it's part) shows what kind of impact acting like that would have on the members of his harem (many of which don't even know they're a part of it).

Yumi at one point even comments about how strange it is that they keep being put together in situations where they have to interact, from our perspective she's a tsundere and her behavior is cute, from her perspective it's an incredibly creepy behavior on the part of some dude who she has made clear she wants no part of.
I think that's part of what Selebus was going for, a parody of the genre.

Oh no, player Sensei is definitely an asshole. Sensei as a whole is not, but player Sensei is. He's not some mass murdering psycho, but he definitely isn't a good guy. I would say asshole is the minimum he could be described as.

She says she doesn't, but I think that was only at the beginning and in the aftermath of the kiss. I think she's starting to realize, albeit slowly, that she does at least want to interact. Otherwise she could have ignored him at the Christmas gathering entirely, she literally had little to no interaction except one thing that tells me she doesn't want him to stop interacting. Creepy behavior in general, yeah, any girl would want a guy to cut that out real freaking fast, but interaction in general not so much.

I still get upvotes on this so I have to look back on this comment and am reminded of these 'puzzles' that are not really puzzles all the time now. I feel slightly unnerved by them. I think I have finally pinpointed WHY I do though.

like I said these are not puzzles, they are flash card memorization and word association tests... the kind of tests you give someone under psychological observation... especially if said person has amnesia/alzheimers/dementia/etc.
this is why I felt uncomfortable with them.
Selebus... what are you trying to tell us about Sensei with these tests.
more importantly what kind of data are you collecting about us...:eek:
The truth has come out...
LIL is a massive psychological test for some grad students thesis lol jk
I mean, I stand by what I said in response, flash memorization puzzles are a thing, though they are usually timed. These ones are not.

I think there really is a message about Sensei in there, something is seriously wrong with him, as if the other things didn't already tell us that much.

There's also the out of universe aspect, Selebus is testing whether the player is paying attention to every single detail in the text, those who fail these puzzles by getting stuck weren't paying attention.

Anyone want to translate what Maya's shirt says?
If it's not "Watermelon", then I'm disappointed.
(also I hope the merch store restocks in about 1 1/2 years, so I can buy it without my family questioning why I bought a ~21 Euro shirt)


If I remember correctly, when Touka was with Tsubasa in the Councilor room and Sensei correctly guessed/answered Aristotle, he himself questions how he knew that. Rather than accidentally slipping from his façade, I think he's also confused.
But hey, I take pretty much everything at face value, so I might not be reading between some obvious lines.
I typically just don't say anything and keep all incoming packages to myself. As for the shirt, "kimochi warui," which means disgusting in English, but has many uses depending on context that are usually about something being disgusting. Used alone, it can usually be translated as the word or as the phrase "that's disgusting," "you're disgusting," or similar.

cheat mods?
Not needed, there are cheats in game, but be warned you WILL be marked as a cheater in the save with definite future consequences that have yet to be revealed. It may be as little as a text change or it may block off entire paths because the girls 'become aware' of your cheating.

He definitely retains a LOT of OG Sensei's academic knowledge, even going so far as to recognize a poet by a single line of poetry.

But his personal memories? They only come through in flashes. Like catching a smell of Ami's shampoo and flashing back to her mother. It's gradually coming out more and more, but it's still just bits and pieces. I don't think he's faking the amnesia, but he is hiding just how much has started to come back. He's still missing substantially more than he's recovered of his personal memories.

Edit:After some cursory reading on brain damage and memory.

Anyway, retaining academic knowledge after a brain injury but forgetting large amounts of past emotional memories is not uncommon, different parts of the brain store different types of memories, though it rarely happens in the scale depicted here -- this is "TV Trope" level exaggeration of the phenomena, but it's still not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
Definitely, so he has the skills of old Sensei, just not the memories. Considering the current possible causes of his current state, I would say memory loss with skill retention is a distinct possibility. This is part of what makes me believe my own split personality theory.

The Lessons in Love merch store will be going live to the general public on 10/27 at 12:00 AM EST.

Patrons will have access 24 hours early and supply is limited, so there may not be any items available to you when the site goes live if you are part of the general public.

Only the smile logo shirt is available for the first run.

Expect a restock sometime in late November in time for the holiday season.

Shirts are $25 each.
US shipping is roughly $3.50.
International shipping is available, but very expensive for some countries.

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I think I'll hold off for now, but I do intend to buy when things that are currently unavailable are made available.

He's weird about it. He says a bunch of small things here and there that would suggest he remembers. It's really small and can be interpreted as him just saying shit out of his ass, which is why it flies under radar.
Its like he's awoids thinking (something he admits he's good at) about it and so he "doesn't remember", but occasionally, he lets his guard down and slip small things here and there.
Maybe it's not fake, maybe there some sort of mechanism to it, but it's faulty.
It's a matter of perception, mostly, you can just call it "another personality", real Sensei peaking in.


It does. I said at some point that he cares enough about what's right in front of him to feel bad, just not enough to course correct to avoid future problems.


My earliest beliefs was that it was all, without overcomplication it, just a buggy VN that took control of.


No Noodles t-short? Booo, what is even the point?
What seems to be happening is memories are returning in flashes, which is not uncommon for amnesia patients. What I got from the very first moments of the game is that this is a self contained personality with its own memories, but shared skill sets like how real life amnesia patients sometimes retain their skills even if they can't remember their own family.

That's what makes him an asshole, he doesn't care enough to not do things that he knows perfectly well are bad.
 

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I think it's a mix of 2 things:

The first one is about him being deliberately obtuse, we saw this when Ayane was trying to tell him about their baby and he very clearly didn't want to think about it, so he obfuscated and convinced himself that he didn't know what she was talking about.

The second one seems to be bits and pieces of several trips through the loop that have left their mark on Sensei, i don't think it's deliberate on his part though.

Btw, what's Sensei's name? The fact that you can't name him outside of sex scenes (where you can call yourself basically anything) seems important.
Anyone want to translate what Maya's shirt says?
If it's not "Watermelon", then I'm disappointed.
(also I hope the merch store restocks in about 1 1/2 years, so I can buy it without my family questioning why I bought a ~21 Euro shirt)


If I remember correctly, when Touka was with Tsubasa in the Councilor room and Sensei correctly guessed/answered Aristotle, he himself questions how he knew that. Rather than accidentally slipping from his façade, I think he's also confused.
But hey, I take pretty much everything at face value, so I might not be reading between some obvious lines.
What seems to be happening is memories are returning in flashes, which is not uncommon for amnesia patients. What I got from the very first moments of the game is that this is a self contained personality with its own memories, but shared skill sets like how real life amnesia patients sometimes retain their skills even if they can't remember their own family.

That's what makes him an asshole, he doesn't care enough to not do things that he knows perfectly well are bad.
Everyone remembers the obvious in your face stuff, but I was mostly talking about small, easily dismissible things, delivered in as a matter of fact way.
It was actually one of my earliest observations, but I forgot all about it, until, on a whim, I replayed Rin even. The one when she had a test date with Sensei. She jokes about how he's isekai protag died by a truck and asked if there were elves in his world, to that he casually drops that it was a suicide and there were no elfes. I get it, it's all tongue in cheek, a benter, but he does this all the time, there is a lot of small things like those lines plastered throughout the game and I wish I was actually writing them down at a time as I cant recall. Or take the last Rin event. When she expresses her surprise at Sensei's self-control with Chika, he explains that there were once someone he loved more.
Basically, memories are just beneath the surface at all times, but it's dangerous for Sensei to intentionally reach for them. But he can just drop snippets here and there, without putting any though in it, without processing it.
 
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Just stumble upon this dark happy game in F95.

Just realized I have missed some happy/character events... is there anyway to redeem it or I need to start over?

BTW...

Just a sidetrack question.... Is the MC "coded" to be a typical harem game protagonist? As far as I know, the MC has a sadistic mind but the "God" seems to auto correcting his thought/behavior... Or is it the reverse... MC is indeed a good guy but the "God" is fucking up his mind? Does the newest update stretch some light into the MC's situation?
 
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Just a sidetrack question.... Is the MC "coded" to be a typical harem game protagonist? As far as I know, the MC has a sadistic mind but the "God" seems to auto correcting his thought/behavior... Or is it the reverse... MC is indeed a good guy but the "God" is fucking up his mind? Does the newest update stretch some light into the MC's situation?
MC is a nihilist (nothing matters) and a narcissist. He pursues what he wants without regard for how it harms others, and believes that any harm that he actually does will rewrite itself due to the nature of how his world works. Some of the awful things he's done he wasn't fully in control over, but some of the other awful things he's done have been %100 him.

We're still in the stage where updates wind up asking more questions than they answer, and if you go back and read the last 4-5 pages of discussion, you'll see that none of us agree on what's actually happening.

We're still quite early in development, so we're not likely to get concrete answers any time soon, so I'm mostly having fun spitballing ideas and sharing random information that comes to mind as I play/replay the content. Others have much more defined theories that only rarely completely overlap with someone elses.

Have fun riding the speculation train!
 

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Just stumble upon this dark happy game in F95.

Just realized I have missed some happy/character events... is there anyway to redeem it or I need to start over?
If an event shows in red with a strikethrough in your event tracker, that means it is permanently missed on your save and you would need a new save to see it.

If you want to figure out why it happened and what you would need to do to get it again, look up the event name on the wiki (the struck-through version works). My guess is that you chose not to finger Ami, which is the decision that causes the most events to be missed (I think it's like two happy events, five Ami events, and one Maya event that you don't see).
 
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Just stumble upon this dark happy game in F95.

Just realized I have missed some happy/character events... is there anyway to redeem it or I need to start over?

BTW...

Just a sidetrack question.... Is the MC "coded" to be a typical harem game protagonist? As far as I know, the MC has a sadistic mind but the "God" seems to auto correcting his thought/behavior... Or is it the reverse... MC is indeed a good guy but the "God" is fucking up his mind? Does the newest update stretch some light into the MC's situation?
Well, here's what we know for sure:

Sensei had a brother and sister-in-law (and Ami, who is his niece), Sensei had a relationship with his sister-in-law and at some point there was a horrible car crash that killed his brother and his sis-in-law, this drove Sensei into a spiral of depression alongside Ami and...that's about it.

He dated a girl prior to the incident (Niki) and had some sort of relationship with Maya, aside from that it gets very blurry and strange.
 

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What if what is 'buried beneath your feet' turns out to be the missing men from kumon-mi in some kind of mass grave?

That'd be a nice little twist. I haven't seen a single thing to suggest the 'space war' is legit.
 

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What if what is 'buried beneath your feet' turns out to be the missing men from kumon-mi in some kind of mass grave?

That'd be a nice little twist. I haven't seen a single thing to suggest the 'space war' is legit.
The "space war took away all the men" justification for the scenario signals that this isn't the normal world. THe three theories I've seen on this:
1) This is a simulation, Matrix-style, constructed specifically to restore OG Sensei's personality
2) This is Sensei's personal purgatory, a scenario testing his weakest traits to test him and determine hiis worthiness.
3) This is all happening internallly -- possibly his brain trying to reconstruct itself as he recovers from his injury, and the real Sensei is comatose in a hospital bed.

Currently leaning towards #3 personally.
 

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What if what is 'buried beneath your feet' turns out to be the missing men from kumon-mi in some kind of mass grave?

That'd be a nice little twist. I haven't seen a single thing to suggest the 'space war' is legit.
Personal theory: what's underneath our feet is the school basement, specifically the boiler room, where I'd be willing to bet some bad shit went down that kicked off this whole series of events.
 
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What if what is 'buried beneath your feet' turns out to be the missing men from kumon-mi in some kind of mass grave?

That'd be a nice little twist. I haven't seen a single thing to suggest the 'space war' is legit.
We've already established that it's Maya's "Dere".
Though, in all seriousness, I believe it's one of the gods, or at least something related to them.
We still don't know where that dark classroom, room with clocks, HOPE's weird realm (where we first met the angels and the machine "cucking" 61) are located, and my (unreliable) intuition says those rooms are beneath our feet.
Also Maya keeps bringing boxes to school, so maybe they somehow end up underneath it.
Alternatively, something living is underneath Kumon-mi at it caused the sinkhole back at the start of chapter 2.

At this point we can't really say anything decisive.
Anyway, against the mass grave argument:
I may not be an expert on graveyards, but they are generally located above ground. And the only graves we ever see are Ami's parents.
And wouldn't the moms know about the graves?
 
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Personal theory: what's underneath our feet is the school basement, specifically the boiler room, where I'd be willing to bet some bad shit went down that kicked off this whole series of events.
Optionally:
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On the surface, this is a girl in mourning stating the blatantly obvious about how burial works.

But Nozomu is also the name of one of the gods. And Sekai translates to "world"

Conveniently, Nozomu is listed under Sekai in the graphic, as well. Nozomu (the god) is buried beneath us.

Would you like to go looking for them?
 
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Everyone remembers the obvious in your face stuff, but I was mostly talking about small, easily dismissible things, delivered in as a matter of fact way.
It was actually one of my earliest observations, but I forgot all about it, until, on a whim, I replayed Rin even. The one when she had a test date with Sensei. She jokes about how he's isekai protag died by a truck and asked if there were elves in his world, to that he casually drops that it was a suicide and there were no elfes. I get it, it's all tongue in cheek, a benter, but he does this all the time, there is a lot of small things like those lines plastered throughout the game and I wish I was actually writing them down at a time as I cant recall. Or take the last Rin event. When she expresses her surprise at Sensei's self-control with Chika, he explains that there were once someone he loved more.
Basically, memories are just beneath the surface at all times, but it's dangerous for Sensei to intentionally reach for them. But he can just drop snippets here and there, without putting any though in it, without processing it.
Isekai is kind of a common trope in fiction over there, do I even need to go over how many Isekai anime have been produced lately as opposed to those not considered Isekai, so I could see that as being exactly that, a joke. Remember the setting of the game, Kumon-Mi is fictional, but where Kumon-Mi is supposed to be located is very real. One thing some Isekai veterans might note, as I did then, is that Elves are EXTREMELY common in Isekai genre fiction to the point that they rival the fantasy genre in Elven representation, which might be where Rin got that from.

Just wanted to mention to all patreon supporters, it's almost time for the 2nd part :giggle:
What makes you so sure?
The release schedule is pretty predictable. The next installment comes out 11/1.
Indeed it is...for the patron release at least, and that is assuming Texas doesn't get hit by bad weather again, stupid snow.

Just stumble upon this dark happy game in F95.

Just realized I have missed some happy/character events... is there anyway to redeem it or I need to start over?

BTW...

Just a sidetrack question.... Is the MC "coded" to be a typical harem game protagonist? As far as I know, the MC has a sadistic mind but the "God" seems to auto correcting his thought/behavior... Or is it the reverse... MC is indeed a good guy but the "God" is fucking up his mind? Does the newest update stretch some light into the MC's situation?
There is not, you will either have to take the L or start over.

No, he is in no way a typical protagonist of any kind, the best he can be likened to is a villain protagonist. However, because it is a harem game, yes, he is a harem protagonist. As far as I can tell, and this is only a theory so far until more details are revealed, Sensei went through an extremely traumatic experience, tried to kill himself, and then ended up with a split personality that we now know as player Sensei, which is the one doing all the bad stuff when Sensei is involved. From what I can tell, Seensei would normally be the second of the two things you said, more gentle and caring for his students, and we do get this side peeking out on occasion. Remember, just a theory and that is just the short version.

MC is a nihilist (nothing matters) and a narcissist. He pursues what he wants without regard for how it harms others, and believes that any harm that he actually does will rewrite itself due to the nature of how his world works. Some of the awful things he's done he wasn't fully in control over, but some of the other awful things he's done have been %100 him.

We're still in the stage where updates wind up asking more questions than they answer, and if you go back and read the last 4-5 pages of discussion, you'll see that none of us agree on what's actually happening.

We're still quite early in development, so we're not likely to get concrete answers any time soon, so I'm mostly having fun spitballing ideas and sharing random information that comes to mind as I play/replay the content. Others have much more defined theories that only rarely completely overlap with someone elses.

Have fun riding the speculation train!
At least the one we see in game is, we don't know if that's the way he was before.

Well, here's what we know for sure:

Sensei had a brother and sister-in-law (and Ami, who is his niece), Sensei had a relationship with his sister-in-law and at some point there was a horrible car crash that killed his brother and his sis-in-law, this drove Sensei into a spiral of depression alongside Ami and...that's about it.

He dated a girl prior to the incident (Niki) and had some sort of relationship with Maya, aside from that it gets very blurry and strange.
That's what it seems like, and then everything else happens after the attempt at the beginning.

What if what is 'buried beneath your feet' turns out to be the missing men from kumon-mi in some kind of mass grave?

That'd be a nice little twist. I haven't seen a single thing to suggest the 'space war' is legit.
It's a plot device to explain why there are no other men, they're all fighting in the war except a few exceptions.

The "space war took away all the men" justification for the scenario signals that this isn't the normal world. THe three theories I've seen on this:
1) This is a simulation, Matrix-style, constructed specifically to restore OG Sensei's personality
2) This is Sensei's personal purgatory, a scenario testing his weakest traits to test him and determine hiis worthiness.
3) This is all happening internallly -- possibly his brain trying to reconstruct itself as he recovers from his injury, and the real Sensei is comatose in a hospital bed.

Currently leaning towards #3 personally.
Or something more sinister is happening to the other men involving the gods, minus the ones who can't get in the way of player Sensei, of course. I'm watching you, HOPE.

Gimme the android version plz
Use Joiplay on the Windows version.

Personal theory: what's underneath our feet is the school basement, specifically the boiler room, where I'd be willing to bet some bad shit went down that kicked off this whole series of events.
I don't think it's what kicked everything off, but bad stuff could have happened involving things below our feet. Who knows, maybe it was a gruesome murder spree, maybe it was a fight that got way out of hand and killed someone, we'll find out...whatever it is.

We've already established that it's Maya's "Dere".
Though, in all seriousness, I believe it's one of the gods, or at least something related to them.
We still don't know where that dark classroom, room with clocks, HOPE's weird realm (where we first met the angels and the machine "cucking" 61) are located, and my (unreliable) intuition says those rooms are beneath our feet.
Also Maya keeps bringing boxes to school, so maybe they somehow end up underneath it.
Alternatively, something living is underneath Kumon-mi at it caused the sinkhole back at the start of chapter 2.

At this point we can't really say anything decisive.
Anyway, against the mass grave argument:
I may not be an expert on graveyards, but they are generally located above ground. And the only graves we ever see are Ami's parents.
And wouldn't the moms know about the graves?
But what about the dorm events? She seemed pretty dere there. :WeSmart::LOL: Seriously, though, it may very well be a god, maybe even one we don't know of yet, much worse than the others.

Optionally:
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On the surface, this is a girl in mourning stating the blatantly obvious about how burial works.

But Nozomu is also the name of one of the gods. And Sekai translates to "world"

Conveniently, Nozomu is listed under Sekai in the graphic, as well. Nozomu (the god) is buried beneath us.

Would you like to go looking for them?
Ah, good eye. To be honest, that detail was a bit difficult for me to see, so I didn't notice, stupid vision that I remind myself every year to get checked and always forget. It could literally be the god under the world, which can have many different contexts, including literally having a god beneath our feet, in the dirt below us.
 

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Ah, good eye. To be honest, that detail was a bit difficult for me to see, so I didn't notice, stupid vision that I remind myself every year to get checked and always forget. It could literally be the god under the world, which can have many different contexts, including literally having a god beneath our feet, in the dirt below us.
I should note that I have crappy old-man eyes, and I only caught it by taking the screen shot, pasting it into Excel, and zooming in.

I'm doing it with a lot of the screens in Happy scenes, as well. That's how I finally noticed that in Room With the Clocks, there's a tiny Sensei being kept in a terrarium.

I'm not quite FNAFing the game, but I'm also not NOT FNAFIng the game.
 
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I should note that I have crappy old-man eyes, and I only caught it by taking the screen shot, pasting it into Excel, and zooming in.

I'm doing it with a lot of the screens in Happy scenes, as well. That's how I finally noticed that in Room With the Clocks, there's a tiny Sensei being kept in a terrarium.

I'm not quite FNAFing the game, but I'm also not NOT FNAFIng the game.
I see, well, I may not be able to say the 'old man eyes' part, but yeah, my vision is just plain bad except in total darkness. The black text didn't help me in this case with that background.
 

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Hey i have a question about a girl i haven't seen before:

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Who the hell is the girl behind watermelon Maya? (I'm not talking about the teacher mind you)

There seems to be 2 bodies attached to one another? Wtf is going on there?

Edit: The happy scene seems to hint at Sekai being the one who initiated a relationship with Sensei, and Sensei maybe is a closeted gay(?)

Dunno what that is about.

And this is somewhat unrelated but i keep insisting on it: The fact that you can't name Sensei is important, it'll most certainly be a plot point in the future.
 
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