Yeah I'm done with that discussion. I never got around to replying to you the other week but good on you for taking the time.
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I said all events in order, as in just one button I can press that starts and plays them all. I don't want to have to remember if Rin's 3rd event comes before Sana's 3rd event and after the 10th main event, etc.
You could always just start a new game if you wanted to re-experience everything in order. And if you don't want to grind, you can use cheats and keep those saves separate from your "pure" ones.
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There isn't a "correct" order. In fact -- one key plot element is contingent upon which order events are viewed in.
We know the Wire God and HOPE are separate, because of this line in Trinity pt II:
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ho "YOU HAVE SPENT FAR TOO MUCH TIME HERE FOR A MAN WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE"
ho "PERHAPS YOU WERE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE"
ho "SOMEONE WITH MORE WIRES"
ho "WIRES AND WIRES AND WIRES AND WIRES AND WIRES"- Nozomu (first mentioned in Rewrite and then in a couple happy events/other resets), a horny light creature who created the world by fucking a fleshlight. Linked to callousness. Has lots of eyes. Dead, but maybe not really? USER1 seems like it's this one, or possibly HOPE.
- The wire god, first alluded to in Trinity pt 2, but then given an origin story in There Is Nothing. Linked to trees, fruits, loneliness, and calmness. USER2 seems like it's this one.
- The concerned god, about whom basically nothing more is known. We hear about it in There Is Nothing and then again in Word of the Day. USER3 seems like it's this one.
- HOPE, which is actually the first one we met (in How I Feel), and which seems an awful lot like Nozomu, but is different in other ways. Usually speaks in ALLCAPS but sometimes doesn't. Has angel buddies and hangs out with 61. Hasn't been seen much during winter; he says he doesn't like snow.
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I honestly believe Yasu's god is different from all of these (though I suppose it could be the concerned god, or maaaaybe Nozomu if instead of dying he just lost all his eyes). Nozomu is also listed as Sensei's brother on the headstone at Amy's parents' graves, so who knows what that's about. In the end, all these loose ends in the story make me super curious about how things will turn out, and get more of Selebus' story. Almost as excited about that as I am about the girls.
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Hi!
Here is the Russian translation of Lessons in Love [v0.19.0 part 2].
This translation is "unofficial".
The link is: Here
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Привет!
Это перевод на Русский язык визуальной новеллы Lessons in Love [v0.19.0 part 2].
Этот перевод является неофициальным.
Ссылка : Здесь
Here is the Russian translation of Lessons in Love [v0.19.0 part 2].
This translation is "unofficial".
The link is: Here
***********************************************************************
Привет!
Это перевод на Русский язык визуальной новеллы Lessons in Love [v0.19.0 part 2].
Этот перевод является неофициальным.
Ссылка : Здесь
That gets tedious to do real fast, it's Selebus's call, but I would suggest not adding something like this when the current system already took enough of an update to make it the majority of what was added.
Honestly, there is no real order to them except for ones with prerequisites, it's mostly player preference when unlocking them with no way to tell what girl's event actually happens chronologically before other events of another girl. I typically just do them in the order of my personal girl preference with every event for that girl being done back to back before moving on to the next girl, so there really isn't a 'this girl's second event comes before this girl's fifth' or anything like that.
That's what I'd do, but that still leaves the majority of events up to a player's preferred order since there is no real forced order aside from ones with prerequisites.
As for the cheats, he does have to watch out for the cheater flag. It may be useless for now, but code isn't added for no reason.
Exactly, other than events with prerequisites. This isn't some kinetic novel.
I thought I distinctly remembered them being separate. Nicely done with the evidence and thanks for the reminder.
I believe her god to be Wire Tree, I could have sworn she was mentioned as a follower of that god. What really interests me is whether anyone else realizes they actually exist or are actually visible within the LiL universe.
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Theme of sex of very persistent throughout her descriptions of her god, though. Sex is kind of Nozomu thing. But also she's all about being a vessel for her god to experience things he himself cannot, and that is a Wire Tree god theme, so yeah.
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I sometimes think that 3 gods represents 3...concerned parties, invested in LiL. Tree God represents the audience, us, while Hope (assuming he is one of three) is the avatar of Selebus.
But yeah, basically what the fuck is going on.
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At first I thought the three Gods were close to Rudolf Steiner's dark trinity:
HOPE (slash Nozomu?) corresponding to Lucifer:
A spirit (in this case God) concerned with sensuality and ego. 'Do the sex, everyone loves you'.
HOPE gets some kind of 'loosh' from that presumably. Sensei seems very jacked in to HOPE.
The Wire God corresponding to Ahriman-
A God concerned with material reality, the physical, the measurable, information.
If it was ahrimanic it would say that there is nothing but the 'physical' and anything that appears to the contrary is an
illusion; an after effect of the programming necessary to make beings act and perceive a 'self'.
(To what degree do any of the characters have free will, and to what degree are the 'Gods' actually Gods?)
The Final God would correspond to Sorath, the sun demon (a negation, a void, a black sun)
and presumably would be revealed later as by far the greatest evil, and the thing setting up the game
(if true to form- corrupting the necessary and human traits of HOPE and the Wire God to evil ends)
Think of it as a lovecraftian being but with true malice.
As is said at the beginning of the game, and I remember being reiterated at least once:
"Nothing is real, after all."
"Nothing will ever be real."
"Not me, not you, not the characters in this game."
"Nothing."
"We're all just air."
I now think that is probably just Selebus and there is no 'Sorath' God but it would be a nice twist if the meta-narrator turned out to be the big baddie and the initial premise of "come live a new life in beautiful Kumon-mi" was
further fucked into the horror of being an active, not passive, participant in some kind of evil loosh cyle... thing.
Hmmm... Reading over this I think there is something in all this crap^ but more that it's:
I have seen Yaldaboath be called the clock God before, so maybe things will take a gnostic direction and the world-prison the characters find themselves in can actually be overcome.
Deff will replay and pay better attention.
HOPE (slash Nozomu?) corresponding to Lucifer:
A spirit (in this case God) concerned with sensuality and ego. 'Do the sex, everyone loves you'.
HOPE gets some kind of 'loosh' from that presumably. Sensei seems very jacked in to HOPE.
The Wire God corresponding to Ahriman-
A God concerned with material reality, the physical, the measurable, information.
If it was ahrimanic it would say that there is nothing but the 'physical' and anything that appears to the contrary is an
illusion; an after effect of the programming necessary to make beings act and perceive a 'self'.
(To what degree do any of the characters have free will, and to what degree are the 'Gods' actually Gods?)
The Final God would correspond to Sorath, the sun demon (a negation, a void, a black sun)
and presumably would be revealed later as by far the greatest evil, and the thing setting up the game
(if true to form- corrupting the necessary and human traits of HOPE and the Wire God to evil ends)
Think of it as a lovecraftian being but with true malice.
As is said at the beginning of the game, and I remember being reiterated at least once:
"Nothing is real, after all."
"Nothing will ever be real."
"Not me, not you, not the characters in this game."
"Nothing."
"We're all just air."
I now think that is probably just Selebus and there is no 'Sorath' God but it would be a nice twist if the meta-narrator turned out to be the big baddie and the initial premise of "come live a new life in beautiful Kumon-mi" was
further fucked into the horror of being an active, not passive, participant in some kind of evil loosh cyle... thing.
Hmmm... Reading over this I think there is something in all this crap^ but more that it's:
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I have seen Yaldaboath be called the clock God before, so maybe things will take a gnostic direction and the world-prison the characters find themselves in can actually be overcome.
Deff will replay and pay better attention.
Hey, I'm new to this game and I'm insanely creeped out by it at the moment. The main character comes off as aggressively fucked up, which is twice as creepy since he's some sort of body-swapping self-insert. Is another shoe going to drop soon or is this just a game about a gaslighting rapist fucking girls who thinks he's someone else? I'd like to get out early if that's all we've got here.
There's obviously a lot more to it but if those are concerns of yours then this may not be the game for you.
I don't know how to judge "soon", because I'm not sure where you are in the game. I will say that you are absolutely correct in what you have noticed, that the situation in Kumon-Mi is deeply fucked up and what Sensei is doing is abhorrent, and the narrative is not unaware of this fact. There are moments of new information which recontextualize a lot of what's happening, and extremely satisfying moments where Sensei gets called on his shit (one of the girls slaps him at one point when catching him doing something fucked-up, and I rolled back Ren'Py like half a dozen times to watch it over and over).
However, the narrative is a very slow burn. There isn't a "shoe drop" in the form of "everyone realizes how twisted this all is and Sensei reforms," because, without spoiling things too much, part of the horror is that what's going on affects people's minds, not just altering them but preventing them from noticing that they have been altered. At the start of the game, the narrator says this: This world was made for you. Please enjoy it to your heart's content. I am pretty sure that is not Selebus talking to the player, but someone within the fiction of the game talking to Sensei.
It is totally valid to go "sorry, the path to getting to the payoff is way too uncomfortable for me, watching Sensei be awful is too gross and I am bailing." People have different thresholds of willingness to put up with unpleasantness in their entertainment. But, from someone who had similar realizations while playing the game, I can say that there is payoff (though the game is still far from done, because Selebus has Ambitions, so the final payoffs are still a long ways out).
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Wait, do ppl actually play the game this way? Grunting through their teeth and waiting for some consequences? In this case, is the problem Sensei being a scumbag (because that's the case for most mc's out there) or the narrative repeatedly acknowledging it, but not doing anything about it?
In my case, the problem is that Sensei is a scumbag, the narrative eventually admits it, and nothing is done about it. I got to the point where he
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I understand that the game is fiction and none of this is really happening, but I can't imagine that watching visceral realistic rape porn would be too much worse. Rape porn typically doesn't drop foreplay consisting of manipulating impressionable high schoolers into sex under false pretenses beforehand. It doesn't let you get to know the girls, watch a man prey on their hopes and insecurities, and then manipulate them into whatever depraved thing he wants, convincing them that's really what they wanted all along. Watching Makoto twist her mind into knots to accept how her beloved Sensei was acting made my skin crawl.
You're absolutely right that a lot of porn game MCs are scumbags, but there's typically some level of complicity presented in the game beforehand. You're shown unequivocally that yes, the main character is an unrepentant scumbag, the game accepts it, you accept it and you both accept this fact as reality and move on. A lot of the time these games run on porn logic, where getting stuck in the washing machine, fucking the pizza delivery guy, and having an entire city of step-sisters is casually accepted. This game does not. You're placed in the driver seat in a world with reasonably realistic girls and watch as your character starts his gaslighting and manipulating them. The girls have realistic responses, second guessing themselves, assuring themselves that the MC was just kidding, and generally letting things go because they don't know how to react to them. You're occasionally given the illusion of some sort of choice, where you choose how you want to gaslight a girl, though I only witnessed false choices unless there was a tally behind the scenes. I think the difference between Sensei and other scumbag MCs is that he's from a world of porn logic imported into a world of hard logic. It's so damn uncomfortable to watch.
I hope that answered your question. In response, allow me a few questions in response. What about this game do you enjoy? From the handful of posts and reviews I've read here, I'm led to believe there's some fucked up god mojo being exerted upon this world, but does that justify following a scumbag around on his gaslighting and raping spree for hours just to see the plot? Did I jump the gun and that's not what comes next? I'm aware that there are people who get their rocks off to rape, whether real or imagined, but I guess I'm a little terrified at how positive the response is to this game. Am I just too sensitive to rape or am I missing something here?
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