Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[Jimbolance]

But to try to stay on the thread, I was actually very happy that the game let you leave the bad situation for once, but I haven't gone back and clicked the other option yet. What happens if you choose to make a move on her? How bad is it?

To expand on ComplexOne's comment, I believe you also don't get the next Sana event "Ad Infinitum" which is like a pseudo-happy event and has a lot of really interesting new info. I recommend loading up a save to see what's in it for yourself first, but if you can't or don't feel like it, here's a summary.

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[Algorist]

Why does Sensei hate the letter T? Is that due to Maya, Teacher, or perhaps even Daisy?

"There is something buried underneath your feet!"

"I sit in my chair and I masturbate to any body that appears before me."
"Today, it was the body of a girl who died a long, long time ago."
"Her name begins with the letter T."

"Two angels appear before me. Their voices remind me of a long lost friend."
"Her name begins with the letter T."

"The scent of old textbooks lingers through the corridor like the ghosts of students past, stuck endlessly traversing the halls in hopes of uncovering some sort of escape route."
"I recall a time when I was younger and cut my hand on the glass of a window that I attempted to climb out of."
"I fell two stories and landed on my ankle in a way that made it incredibly difficult to walk for at least two weeks."
"During that time, I grew closer to someone who would one day leave me."

Any chance of the person referred being Daisy (she being some other childhood friend Sensei had besides Niki that he's forgotten? Perhaps because she died and the trauma fucked him up mentally)?

I don't think that refers to Teacher at all. Sensei probably didn't consider Teacher a "Friend"; Besides, Maya isn't old enough to fit here.

I honestly thought for a long time that Daisy was the dead girl, but considering the following exchange:

s "One more thing. But it's going to make me sound strange again."
m "I can assure you I am quite used to that by now."
s "Then...how do you feel about the letter T?"
m "..."
s "..."
m "What?"
s "Told you."
m "What does the letter T have to do with anything? Is that...some sort of code?"
s "No. Well, at least I don’t think it is."
s "I’m not really sure."
s "I just vaguely remember something about that letter recently. But I feel like it's...a memory I'm not really supposed to have? Does that make any sense?"
m "Not really..."
m "Besides, what relevancy would that have to me? Asking me how I feel implies that I have something to do with this, doesn't it?"
s "Dream-Maya was there again."
m "Is she just in all of your dreams now? Because that is quite sickening and does not make me feel very safe."
s "I wouldn’t worry too much about it...It's probably just more meaningless brain vomit."
s "Dream-Maya was there again."
m "Is she just in all of your dreams now? Because that is quite sickening and does not make me feel very safe."
s "I wouldn’t worry too much about it...It's probably just more meaningless brain vomit."
m "I sincerely hope that is true for the sake of both of us."
m "So, did anything else happen? Or is that it?"

I'm less sure. Any theories about this "T" girl?

 

[xylem2]

Sooo what exactly was happening to Sana during white eyes moments? None of the explanations I came up with make much sense

 

[Jimbolance]

Sooo what exactly was happening to Sana during white eyes moments? None of the explanations I came up with make much sense

I mean it's probably the exact same thing that was happening to Yasu earlier, which I interpreted to be HOPE trying to possess them.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Sooo what exactly was happening to Sana during white eyes moments? None of the explanations I came up with make much sense

I was assuming she was also experiencing "black outs" due to the higher beings (possibly HOPE) inserting their presences/dominance into people. HOPE has the tendency of directing events into more adult-ish when taking controls of characters (more recent examples being Sensei and Yasu)

 

[StabbyMike0]

Still stuck at last two ayane events

 

[g6107419]

For those who have not seen it we got a massive post from Sel

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on Discord

I actually think this is a sane approach, I didn't think we would get there but it appears to be a good balance. Poor peasants like me still get access to the game and he continues to increase revenue with different revenue streams. I guess his income dipped from the $100k+ he was getting with Patreon + merch that he was getting before. It also looks like it'll continue to be in that gray zone of what is commercialisation of content is, though that's an issue I don't care much for, and if legal action does come his way that's for him to handle.

Looks like going forward we will maintain the status quo.

edit:

tl;dr - adding different revenue stream in the flow of "bonus content" at the cost of $5 a month which grants access to a number of different items. Ultimately goal is hitting 10k/month via SS ($120k/year income, nice) while maintaining the current model

>What I will not do in response to this is take away anything that loyal players of my public releases have grown accustomed to. The game you play now will remain the same game it’s always been- and it will still release two weeks behind the subscriber-version, the same way it always has.

- Sel

 

[Vidaura]

For those who have not seen it we got a massive post from Sel

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on Discord

I actually think this is a sane approach, I didn't think we would get there but it appears to be a good balance. Poor peasants like me still get access to the game and he continues to increase revenue with different revenue streams. I guess his income dipped from the $100k+ he was getting with Patreon + merch that he was getting before. It also looks like it'll continue to be in that gray zone of what is commercialisation of content is, though that's an issue I don't care much for, and if legal action does come his way that's for him to handle.

Looks like going forward we will maintain the status quo.

Can you give a summary of what this approach is for those of us not in the discord?

 

[fdsasdf_p]

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Wait which part of the dialogue was Daisy insinuating the importance of impregnating Ayane and not touching Sana? Must've missed a big chunk of details somewhere.

Though I think it's more likely that Daisy is Sekai's unborn daughter killed during the accident, I somehow like the idea of her being "the culminated offspring of all the characters" . It actually sounds kind of plausible if everything girl gets pregnant at some point and every conceived baby gets erased after resets, and then all the babies converge into her (or simply all of them are her)

 

[g6107419]

Can you give a summary of what this approach is for those of us not in the discord?

added a tl;dr

 

[moodle]

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The thing that caught my eye was the invite over stuff. Rule 7 here bans sexual content of prepubescent characters, and, like... if there's a "teen" model of a character and a "younger" model of the character that's obviously flat and undeveloped, that's clearly a prepubescent character, right? So are the mods here going to remove the game? We sort of already have this with Uta, where she's an oppai loli and in the last update we got sent pictures of her from when she was younger and clearly prepubescent, but this sounds like not just nudes but sex scenes.

 

[Axismundi]

Damn, Sel basically did the best possible option. I was actually certain that he was going to tie up the game in some sort of legal battle that would put him under a lot of pressure and would damage the progress being made on the game and, more concerningly, put more stress on his mental health. Instead, he just gave a fuck ton of reasons to actually support him. So much so that I'm considering increasing my $5 subscription to a $25 one out of sheer respect.

 

[g6107419]

Damn, Sel basically did the best possible option. I was actually certain that he was going to tie up the game in some sort of legal battle that would put him under a lot of pressure and would damage the progress being made on the game and, more concerningly, put more stress on his mental health. Instead, he just gave a fuck ton of reasons to actually support him. So much so that I'm considering increasing my $5 subscription to a $25 one out of sheer respect.

He has no grounds for legal action, it is the best outcome for sure but a legal battle wasn't an option.

 

[Axismundi]

He has no grounds for legal action, it is the best outcome for sure but a legal battle wasn't an option.

Oh no, I understand that. I was just worried he was actually going to try it.

 

[barglenarglezous]

The thing that caught my eye was the invite over stuff. Rule 7 here bans sexual content of prepubescent characters, and, like... if there's a "teen" model of a character and a "younger" model of the character that's obviously flat and undeveloped, that's clearly a prepubescent character, right? So are the mods here going to remove the game? We sort of already have this with Uta, where she's an oppai loli and in the last update we got sent pictures of her from when she was younger and clearly prepubescent, but this sounds like not just nudes but sex scenes.

Given that this is an attempt to combat piracy, it's unlikely that this will be part of the base game, it'll probably be a patch subscribers can download and plop in. In that case, the game itself would be fine to stay -- but the patch would not be, since it violates rule 7.

And that's ultimately what he wants -- an incentive for people to actually support him that they can't get here.

 

[cckerberos]

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The thing that caught my eye was the invite over stuff. Rule 7 here bans sexual content of prepubescent characters, and, like... if there's a "teen" model of a character and a "younger" model of the character that's obviously flat and undeveloped, that's clearly a prepubescent character, right? So are the mods here going to remove the game? We sort of already have this with Uta, where she's an oppai loli and in the last update we got sent pictures of her from when she was younger and clearly prepubescent, but this sounds like not just nudes but sex scenes.

The question of whether or not the game actually gets removed due to Rule 7 was always going to come to a head eventually. Actual sexual content with lolis in the game has always been planned, and with the the removal from Patreon and his frustration over early leaks, Sel has suggested that he's planning to do it sooner rather than later.

 

[worthlesspeon]

Oh no, I understand that. I was just worried he was actually going to try it.

My guess is he was advised that he has no case and/or it would open up a can of worms that would be problematic for him. Or possibly even decent lawyers do not want to associate themselves with defending things that can be claimed as CP. So now he's taking this approach.

Overall I do think he's still reaching some incorrect conclusions. Fact is up until Patreon cracked its whip, his income was increasing pretty drastically. And to my memory, pretty much all of the releases leaked here early save for a couple. If he's seeing a significant drop in income *now*, I suspect it's more due to everything else going on in the world with inflation and such. I would imagine people who are having a hard time making ends meet are less likely to spend money on a porn game.

The other possibility is that there are just fewer people who enjoy the game at this point. The reviews here have been downtrending, I know I don't have nearly as much interest as I used to, and he's basically stated his plan is to make the game more and more annoying to play.

 

[Deleted member 3482284]

I like what he's chosen to do, the added content sounds cool and I might have to pick up my pledge again sometime. Hopefully that's the end of that, and everyone can focus on the game again

 

[cckerberos]

And to my memory, pretty much all of the releases leaked here early save for a couple.

This is true. I can only think of one that didn't leak early. But it used to take at least a few days, and (IIRC) Selebus once said that even a 48 hour delay was enough for most impatient people to just pay. I mean, your other points might be on the money, but the nature of the leaks has changed over time.

 

[kitsunedawn]

To break it down, loli is more of a body type than anything that denotes age. Which is why it can cause a lot of problems when people are deciding what to keep and what to get rid of on this site. I believe in order for a loli to be considered inappropriate on this site, they have to fail 3 things. Age, appearance, and personality. If it looks like a kid, acts like a kid, and is age-confirmed as a kid, then it's problematic. But if it passes one of those, then people will fight to keep the game up.

Part of the issue with loli content, is the question of legality. In some jurisdictions, regardless of if there's a disclaimer that says "all characters are 18 years of age or older" or something similar; possession of those images or games with that type of content is treated as though the person possessed **********. I think the specific letter of the law is something akin to "Simulated sex with minors", but don't quote me on that.

Now, Patreon has historically been leery of such content, going so far as to force developers (regardless of the legal age of consent in their countries) to either completely remove such content from games, or severely modify it so no sexual activity can take place between the loli/shota character, an an adult.

Subscribestar takes a different approach with it, making a simple blanket statement in their guidelines/rules that says "Don’t break the law - the international ones, the law of the state you reside in or our Terms and Conditions which is our internal law."

Their own TOC notes "To violate any international, federal, provincial or state regulations, rules, laws, or local ordinances. " is against their rules.

There in lies the problem that loli/shota game makers face. If they are in a state, or nation (those that don't differentiate by 'states') where loli content is treated like real pornographic images of minors, and this is reported to Subscribestar; by their own rules that content must either be removed, or the developer will find their project banned.

When Patreon first really started cracking down on this, some developers tried to do an 'end run' around the rules and create these 'patches' which could be downloaded and applied to the game to reactivate the loli/shota content. Patreon's response was to change their rules somewhat and apply them to all forms of the project being developed. Meaning that if they reviewed the file and found it retained the banned content, which could be bypassed with a 'patch', then it was treated as though it was always present.

Subscribestar has been more lenient about things, but just because they haven't always cracked down on something, doesn't mean they won't.

The dev here is playing a pretty dangerous game, if they wish to include loli/shota type content in the game that can simply be 'patched' in; as that would suggest the content is already present in the base game, and unless the developer lives in some place like Angola, or Nigeria where the age of consent is 11... then they are going to have a seriously difficult time making an argument that any loli/shota content isn't violating Subscribestar's own rules.