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I'm unfamiliar with the works of Shel Silverstein, so I'm curious as to what this is referencing? Thanks. These types of references always tweak my curiosity.
 

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I'm unfamiliar with the works of Shel Silverstein, so I'm curious as to what this is referencing? Thanks. These types of references always tweak my curiosity.
IIRC, this is when he's referencing Where the Sidewalk Ends, which is a metaphor for the shift from the carefree nature of youth and the responsibilities of adulthood, and how every child understands there's a moment where they'll have to grow up.

Adulthood is portrayed as a dark and scary place, and by contrast youth is seen as bright and fanciful. And the poem encourages adults to view life through the lens of a child to find the joy in the world -- which is essentially what Sensei is doing.

Not spoken within the poem is the inverse of that -- children viewing the world the the eyes of an adult and feeling the existential dread. Which is what some of the girls are starting to do -- Makoto in particular, but a few of the others have as well.

I'm not sure what the guard rail reference is. I don't recall any references to one in any of his poems.
 

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I'm unfamiliar with the works of Shel Silverstein, so I'm curious as to what this is referencing? Thanks. These types of references always tweak my curiosity.
IIRC, this is when he's referencing Where the Sidewalk Ends, which is a metaphor for the shift from the carefree nature of youth and the responsibilities of adulthood, and how every child understands there's a moment where they'll have to grow up.

Adulthood is portrayed as a dark and scary place, and by contrast youth is seen as bright and fanciful. And the poem encourages adults to view life through the lens of a child to find the joy in the world -- which is essentially what Sensei is doing.

Not spoken within the poem is the inverse of that -- children viewing the world the the eyes of an adult and feeling the existential dread. Which is what some of the girls are starting to do -- Makoto in particular, but a few of the others have as well.

I'm not sure what the guard rail reference is. I don't recall any references to one in any of his poems.
I think its in reference to his poem 'the bridge' where it talks about a bridge that can only take you halfway to a land of unicorns and magic and you have to do the last few steps alone.... its thought to be an allegory for suicide by some people
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if you walk halfway across a bridge and it only takes a few more steps to get to your destination and you have to take those steps alone...
yeah, think about it
the guys a poet, you think about word play and hidden meaning a lot, i seriously doubt he wrote that without knowing what it could/does allude to
 
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I think its in reference to his poem 'the bridge' where it talks about a bridge that can only take you halfway to a land of unicorns and magic and you have to do the last few steps alone.... its thought to be an allegory for suicide by some people
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if you walk halfway across a bridge and it only takes a few more steps to get to your destination and you have to take those steps alone...
yeah, think about it
I had forgotten about this one. I remember the controvery over the interpretation, though. I'm pretty sure you're right about the reference.

The poem itself I don't think Silverstein ever intended to be read that way. That's a very natural way for an adult to interpret it, but a child (unless they're insanely literal) is likely thinking in terms of a magical bridge, not a literal one.

I think Sel's using both interpretations within this reference though. You can search for the beauty in the world, or you can step off the side. Either way, you're taking those final steps on your own.
 

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I had forgotten about this one. I remember the controvery over the interpretation, though. I'm pretty sure you're right about the reference.

The poem itself I don't think Silverstein ever intended to be read that way. That's a very natural way for an adult to interpret it, but a child (unless they're insanely literal) is likely thinking in terms of a magical bridge, not a literal one.

I think Sel's using both interpretations within this reference though. You can search for the beauty in the world, or you can step off the side. Either way, you're taking those final steps on your own.
considering sensei's 'world view' at the time he said this though. I'm pretty sure the context of what sensei was saying is 'she could go commit suicide'
 

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Rin and Karin are not the same person.
Karin is a character you probably maybe have not been introduced to yet?

but yeah aside from missing out on events with Rin, Rin no longer trusts you and it changes dialogue throughout most of the game. I would actually say its the most impactful miss-able event. and all because you couldn't ignore chika's event schadenfreude till after the beach event.

OH
bang Sara and do her events or you might lose some Sana events
 
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Rin and Karin are not the same person.
Karin is a character you probably maybe have not been introduced to yet?

but yeah aside from missing out on events with Rin, Rin no longer trusts you and it changes dialogue throughout most of the game. I would actually say its the most impactful miss-able event. and all because you couldn't ignore chika's event schadenfreude till after the beach event.
i don't have much experience playing Ren'Py,
and some of i play is my choice or progress event doesn't matter.
my heart little hurt when i see Rin twice crying.
me playing this game by blindplay.
so i don't know that there's choice where we can see her broken heart just once.

now i guess the "goodhomie" code is make a sense. i thought that's just part of the story.
and
I'm already at chapter 2
should i use this code?
and replay the event it is gonna make some different story?
 

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i don't have much experience playing Ren'Py,
and some of i play is my choice or progress event doesn't matter.
my heart little hurt when i see Rin twice crying.
me playing this game by blindplay.
so i don't know that there's choice where we can see her broken heart just once.

now i guess the "goodhomie" code is make a sense. i thought that's just part of the story.
and
I'm already at chapter 2
should i use this code?
and replay the event it is gonna make some different story?
Did you keep any saves from before fingering Chika? You could always restart and just hold down the ctrl key to skip already read dialogue, I don't think it's too far into the game... It does change a pretty decent amount of dialogue.

You could also just edit the save with the universal renpy mod, or using a save edit website to change the value, and then replay the scenes (using goodhomie will mark your save as a cheater and we don't know if there will be something involving that in the future or not)
 

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i don't have much experience playing Ren'Py,
and some of i play is my choice or progress event doesn't matter.
my heart little hurt when i see Rin twice crying.
me playing this game by blindplay.
so i don't know that there's choice where we can see her broken heart just once.

now i guess the "goodhomie" code is make a sense. i thought that's just part of the story.
and
I'm already at chapter 2
should i use this code?
and replay the event it is gonna make some different story?
yeah a replay of the game with a skip button is your only real option for a clean save that doesnt require learning how to mod renpy files... unless you already know how to do Renpy save editor stuff (which I don't)
you can use the cheat commands i think on the computer but you get labeled as a cheater in the game. so far i think, only 2 additional screen slides have shown up mocking you for cheating so far with no impact on the story but that might not always be the case

if you do decide to replay up to this point I would suggest using the guide mod which will tell you the exact order to do things
AND
I would suggest the cheat mod on the 1st page of this thread. lets you set the girls stats so you dont have to grind

neither of which get you labeled as a cheater in the game, you have to use the in game computer to get that label.
 
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this is all extremely interesting and thought-provoking. i like yumi's big sexy boobs
I see, a person of class and culture, one who is deep into intellectual pursuits like the rest of the people that come to this site
you cut to the heart of the game and point out the deep thought provoking nature of the game and that the entire point of it revolves around 'Yumi's big sexy boobs" I actually am extremely disappointed in myself with this revelation for missing it this entire time. the gods/angels, the flash backs, the 10 million words of text/subtext and I missed it this entire time... it all comes back to Yumi's boobs
 
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Oof yeah, reading through this, I'm just contemplating if it's worth going all the way back to not miss the event with Rin aka fingering Chika before the beach. I'm already at the to be continued part, over 70 pages of saves, so I don't think even the CRTL skipping will be enough inspiration. It does suck, wish I knew what I was doin there
 

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Oof yeah, reading through this, I'm just contemplating if it's worth going all the way back to not miss the event with Rin aka fingering Chika before the beach. I'm already at the to be continued part, over 70 pages of saves, so I don't think even the CRTL skipping will be enough inspiration. It does suck, wish I knew what I was doin there
... i have no clue how to save edit
someone one want to teach Ranso how to do so... or have a youtube tutorial or whatever...
i kinda want to learn too
 

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If there's a way to do it that would be epic. Staring at my earliest save file before Schadenfruede, which is on page 12 out of, I just checked, 80. That would be a life saver lol. Would it also impact the rest of the saves so you can get the events?
 

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Also, is there anything major you miss? (Besides rinevents, pains me seeing those two red lines through her missed events), stuck between actually going all the way back or just awaiting next update. Game had gotten me real invested. After missing hers been trying to get everything else
 

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If there's a way to do it that would be epic. Staring at my earliest save file before Schadenfruede, which is on page 12 out of, I just checked, 80. That would be a life saver lol. Would it also impact the rest of the saves so you can get the events?
pretty sure you would end up editing your most current save, then you go and watch the missed events in the event tracker so you dont have to play anything again... never done it before, but that is what makes most sense to me
Also, is there anything major you miss? (Besides rinevents, pains me seeing those two red lines through her missed events), stuck between actually going all the way back or just awaiting next update. Game had gotten me real invested. After missing hers been trying to get everything else
for that specific mistake... i think those are the only two events you out right miss, but the tone of every other rin event is changed, basically you are a peice of shit and got talked about like shit and i have no clue if that ever changes. only ever explored the consequences of that on a surface level

honestly in chapter 3 I want to know how the contest with yasu goes down if you were a bad homie because... why the hell would rin even do that if so or even try
 
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