Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[worthlesspeon]

this thread is so much better when the discussion revolves around lore theory and predictions about the game. even the constant requests for puzzle answers and how to escape the broken world is better than a lot of the moral grandstanding that these Selebus vs The World discussions tend to produce. I admit it can be entertaining but it definitely drags on for far too many pages everytime this thread gets off track.

a lot of yall seem to not only be obsessed with Selebus drama, but also with other users here and their positions within that drama. it's kind of weird

I'm sure there'll be more game discussion when there's more updates released. Pretty much every thread goes off topic when there's a hiatus.

 

[ElukiaTV]

I sure hope she does. I feel like she would help Chika with some expenses, or maybe even help them get a new apartment. She might get Sensei a present as well, which would be an adorable scene that he definitely does not deserve.

I could also see her buying a bunch of shit to resell at a higher price. She is a businesswoman, after all.

Not sure if a gift for sensei, i doubt... but i wouldnt be surprised if she wants to pay the phone bills back to sensei so she feels she doesnt own him anything.
Also, im sure pampering Chinami is a given.

 

[Axismundi]

this thread is so much better when the discussion revolves around lore theory and predictions about the game. even the constant requests for puzzle answers and how to escape the broken world is better than a lot of the moral grandstanding that these Selebus vs The World discussions tend to produce. I admit it can be entertaining but it definitely drags on for far too many pages everytime this thread gets off track.

a lot of yall seem to not only be obsessed with Selebus drama, but also with other users here and their positions within that drama. it's kind of weird

The drama is simply the most recent and interesting thing to happen, so of course people are going to talk about it. The last update has already been discussed and dissected by the people who frequently browse this thread to death, so besides the occasional new guy asking what the word of the day is, there's not a lot of boobs and puzzles to talk about. When the new update drops, the thread will shift back to how it was before.

 

[akselx]

You just give him idea.Also why he start saying the piracy is bad,yes piracy is bad but even developers forums indie developers trying put some ground discussion.

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Good snippet.

I think you're greatly overestimating the impact of piracy on your game sales. I mean look at your graph, your problematic sales section looks like post-sale depression and looks in line with your before sale trend. I think if you start going down the path of blaming external factors for your lack of sales it's a red flag. Piracy isn't going to be statistically significant, like I doubt you lost even 2 (real) sales from piracy. I ultimately think concerning yourself about piracy is a waste of time.

• Game Dev Tycoon's method was a viral marketing strategy and really it's just punching 10 year old child's in the stomach for not having their parent's credit card. I know if feels good squeezing every dollar out of people but sometimes you should accept the people who pirate your game WERE NOT going to buy your game. It might be an opportunity to analyze why someone might prefer to chance viruses over paying retail price for your game however, outside of the obvious fact that they can't afford it.

Soft impact and work with conscience and guilt.

• The people who can be guilted over piracy will not torrent your game. You're simply stroking your own ego when you implement such things.

 

[Bingoogus]

The drama is simply the most recent and interesting thing to happen, so of course people are going to talk about it. The last update has already been discussed and dissected by the people who frequently browse this thread to death, so besides the occasional new guy asking what the word of the day is, there's not a lot of boobs and puzzles to talk about. When the new update drops, the thread will shift back to how it was before.

I'd say i could back this up, the thread was mostly dead for about a week before this new drama, a few posts a day helping with puzzle answers and basically nothing else. Things definitely picked back up when... darkdaemonx? I think that's his name, was getting all public with sharing the care packages.

 

[worthlesspeon]

Good snippet.

Yep. And in the case of a game like this where people aren't going to discuss in polite company and sales on platforms like steam are pretty much impossible - you need some platform for word of mouth. I know I sure as hell would not have heard about this game if it weren't for the site. And that did ultimately result in me subbing for the game for a few months before I realized Sel is an ass.

I'm not really sure where you would even go to discuss this game otherwise. 4chan maybe? And good luck convincing any of those guys to actually pay.

 

[Vizer007]

Not sure if a gift for sensei, i doubt... but i wouldnt be surprised if she wants to pay the phone bills back to sensei so she feels she doesnt own him anything.
Also, im sure pampering Chinami is a given.

That would be a great way to get her go blank, since she will see that sensei paid for their phones for about 2 years now, she is not even knows him for that long (in her memory), and the amount of money she would need to pay will shock her even more, so, she will snap out of those 2+ years and will have her full attention there

 

[Black Raven]

So... will Yumi get her 10k$?
and if so...
What's she gonna waste it on?

I would say she might use it to pay for Chinami's funeral but it's probably still a bit early for that.

 

[Wardtnaci]

I would say she might use it to pay for Chinami's funeral but it's probably still a bit early for that

As much as the Dev. is being a bad person about not being grateful enough to be getting as much as gets for being creative and sharing his art while not having to worry about struggling on by with a real job. He's not as bad as killing off a 5000 year old wizard whose adorable quirks is to refer to herself in the 3rd person while portraying herself to be less smart than she actually is.

 

[ComplexOne2]

As much as the Dev. is being a bad person about not being grateful enough to be getting as much as gets for being creative and sharing his art while not having to worry about struggling on by with a real job. He's not as bad as killing off a 5000 year old wizard whose adorable quirks is to refer to herself in the 3rd person while portraying herself to be less smart than she actually is.

Sel's meant to be grateful that his game updates leak within an hour of posting and he's meant to be grateful for the care packages leaks? heck the care packages only exist as a compromise to the leaking situation but even that wasn't enough.

 

[Black Raven]

As much as the Dev. is being a bad person about not being grateful enough to be getting as much as gets for being creative and sharing his art while not having to worry about struggling on by with a real job. He's not as bad as killing off a 5000 year old wizard whose adorable quirks is to refer to herself in the 3rd person while portraying herself to be less smart than she actually is.

Ok i know most of the last few pages are speculation on the theme "Is Selebus actually Satan ?" but here i was strictly talking about the game itself. The occasional 4th wall breaking is one thing but Selebus will never change the actual story because of some drama.

I also strongly disagree with the idea that Chinami eventually dying means Selebus is a bad person like, what the actual fuck ? Plenty of sad things happens in plenty of movies/books/games etc and linking that to the author's morals is insane.

I think Chinami's illness will definitely get worse at some point (see the event where she coughs). Whether she actually dies or not is still up in the air but considering the kind of story this is it would not be surprising at all.

 

[akselx]

As much as the Dev. is being a bad person about not being grateful enough to be getting as much as gets for being creative and sharing his art while not having to worry about struggling on by with a real job. He's not as bad as killing off a 5000 year old wizard whose adorable quirks is to refer to herself in the 3rd person while portraying herself to be less smart than she actually is.

Oh, please. She WILL die (or get a bad asthma attack/get into anaphylactic shock) at some point in Sensei's presence or because of his negligence, you know it. This story bit is basically writing itself.

Sel's meant to be grateful that his game updates leak within an hour of posting and he's meant to be grateful for the care packages leaks? heck the care packages only exist as a compromise to the leaking situation but even that wasn't enough.

No, he's meant to accept that it is not a personal attack on him, that every dev of popular game have he same problems.

 

[ComplexOne2]

Ok i know most of the last few pages are speculation on the theme "Is Selebus actually Satan ?" but here i was strictly talking about the game itself. The occasional 4th wall breaking is one thing but Selebus will never change the actual story because of some drama.

I also strongly disagree with the idea that Chinami eventually dying means Selebus is a bad person like, what the actual fuck ? Plenty of sad things happens in plenty of movies/books/games etc and linking that to the author's morals is insane.

I think Chinami's illness will definitely get worse at some point (see the event where she coughs). Whether she actually dies or not is still up in the air but considering the kind of story this is it would not be surprising at all.

I mean he has gone out of his way a few times now to include his hatred of this place through the characters though I guess that hasn't changed the story much.

As for Chinami? Pretty certain we're still getting sexual content involving her, certainly not my cup of tea but it seems fairly likely to happen.

 

[ComplexOne2]

Oh, please. She WILL die (or get a bad asthma attack/get into anaphylactic shock) at some point in Sensei's presence or because of his negligence, you know it. This story bit is basically writing itself.

No, he's meant to accept that it is not a personal attack on him, that every dev of popular game have he same problems.

I see your point, though some people here DO make it personal considering the childish responses they give whenever Sel gets upset, it will be interesting to see what changes after Sel's return.

 

[Black Raven]

I mean he has gone out of his way a few times now to include his hatred of this place through the characters though I guess that hasn't changed the story much.

I really can't remember any instance where it changed the story at all. Could be that my memory is just bad though so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

As for Chinami? Pretty certain we're still getting sexual content involving her, certainly not my cup of tea but it seems fairly likely to happen.

I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that all 35 characters will get their routes with sexual content. It doesn't mean she won't die at some point(s). She can die in the harem/dark route and then be resetted back to life. She can die as a part of some other character's route. For example maybe the Yumi route will have Chinami dying from her illness and Chika kill herself as a result.

Thinking about it, i'm honestly having a hard time picturing a Yumi route where Chika lives. How would that work, really ? If Sensei and Chika are still "dating" Yumi won't interfere. If they break up Yumi will hate Sensei for breaking Chika's heart. But if Chika dies (and it's not Sensei's fault) then Yumi ending up with Sensei suddenly makes a lot of sense. I suppose it's also possible for Yumi and Chika to have a massive falling out but i find that less likely.

 

[akselx]

Hi guys, need help in the event a life of prizes, please tell me what to do if i opened all the books, entered the correct password on the computer, but when you unlock all puzzle answers, it gives the following "Sorry this feature is only available to Lessons in Love premium members" how to get through plz help??

U need to subscribe for 199$/month to get premium content.

 

[Black Raven]

U need to subscribe for 199$/month to get premium content.

But in "A life of prizes" at some point you can play the lottery and if you win you get a 75% discount.

 

[barglenarglezous]

It doesn't mean she won't die at some point(s). She can die in the harem/dark route and then be resetted back to life. She can die as a part of some other character's route. For example maybe the Yumi route will have Chinami dying from her illness and Chika kill herself as a result.

Thinking about it, i'm honestly having a hard time picturing a Yumi route where Chika lives. How would that work, really ? If Sensei and Chika are still "dating" Yumi won't interfere. If they break up Yumi will hate Sensei for breaking Chika's heart. But if Chika dies (and it's not Sensei's fault) then Yumi ending up with Sensei suddenly makes a lot of sense. I suppose it's also possible for Yumi and Chika to have a massive falling out but i find that less likely.

Nobody has actually died inside the bubble. Tsuneyo's father is the closest we've gotten, and honestly, I think he's a foreshadowing of Chinami's fate -- hovering right at the point of death indefinitely, but never crossing over.

Makoto has tried to kill herself multiple times and it never works. We literally see it play out in Bluejay.

Death is not allowed in Kumon-Mi. No matter how much the living may wish for it.

And if someone managed to die despite all that -- they'd be fine as of the next reset. If the resets can un-impregnate Ayane, they can also un-murder whoever got in Ami's way.

As for Yumi -- she may or may not know about how Chika feels about Sensei right now, and that's based entirely on your decisions. If you got the extended locker room scene with Yumi and Nodoka, she doesn't know yet, and some form of relationship with Yumi is likely. And if she's already IN the relationship and emotionally invested when she finds out, it'll be too late. We'll get some conflict, possibly a resolution. Maybe a throuple, maybe two equally broken hearts.

Honestly, a Yumi/Chika throuple is the optimal outcome.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Nobody has actually died inside the bubble. Tsuneyo's father is the closest we've gotten, and honestly, I think he's a foreshadowing of Chinami's fate -- hovering right at the point of death indefinitely, but never crossing over.

Makoto has tried to kill herself multiple times and it never works. We literally see it play out in Bluejay.

Death is not allowed in Kumon-Mi. No matter how much the living may wish for it.

And if someone managed to die despite all that -- they'd be fine as of the next reset. If the resets can un-impregnate Ayane, they can also un-murder whoever got in Ami's way.

As for Yumi -- she may or may not know about how Chika feels about Sensei right now, and that's based entirely on your decisions. If you got the extended locker room scene with Yumi and Nodoka, she doesn't know yet, and some form of relationship with Yumi is likely. And if she's already IN the relationship and emotionally invested when she finds out, it'll be too late. We'll get some conflict, possibly a resolution. Maybe a throuple, maybe two equally broken hearts.

Honestly, a Yumi/Chika throuple is the optimal outcome.

someone has died in LiL though...
there was that one plant, the other plants even talk about it

 

[Axismundi]

I'm still thinking there's going to be a total reset at one point for everyone except the rooftop team, basically setting them all back to their neutral state. I think this will probably happen right before the dark route starts, or at the very beginning of it. This will allow stuff for Yumi to happen with Chika still around and probably revive Chinami because she's got to die at some point. Plus, I don't think Maya will be part of the rooftop team, so she'll get totally reset as well. It's been slowly showing that she's becoming less important to the functionality of the rooftop reset now. So we will get to see the original Maya at the cost of our Maya.