Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[vehemental]

The guy is on a break so that part is unfair.

He's on a break, but he's coordinating hate raids and you yourself reposted the gigantic rant he just wrote, in which he literally writes "others like myself have more important, realistic things to do" C'mon man, that's not weird and blatantly hypocritical to you?

Even if this stuff was just innocuous - which it's not, it's toxic, self-aggrandizing, and most importantly self-sabotaging - how does that look to a prospective supporter, that he's putting so much time into it instead of the game, given the progress tracker shows all zeros?

What i'm getting from your post is that Selebus' questionable PR strategy is hurting his business way more than the actual leaks.

YES!

I have full confidence that he will keep making good content.

I sincerely hope so too.

Maybe at some point he could try swallowing some of his pride in the interest of making more money.

Again, YES! Now you're thinking with portals.

 

[JohnnyRazer]

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My man, I get you on so many levels. Thanks for voicing this. Have a spare place on the fence?

Anyway I read his rant and while I do agree with some points, it's overall an undisguised conceit. Well, whatever suits the man. I too don't intend to waste anymore time on this pointless dispute.

Also, as I got it, he will try to implement some kind of DRM in the future. I just want to believe he has decency not to stoop down to any malware.

 

[Plant Number 2]

Anyone willing to post any good screenshots of Selly melting down on discord? I'd go and have a look myself but you need a proper account with a phone number to get past the welcome mat and like hell i'm giving discord my number. I need more popcorn entertainment.

Believe it or not he's actually been pretty composed on discord, he has only really posted a super long announcement post talking about the situation:

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[worthlesspeon]

Also, as I got it, he will try to implement some kind of DRM in the future. I just want to believe he has decency not to stoop down to any malware.

He's frankly not skilled enough to implement any real DRM. That much should be apparent just by looking at the spaghetti of "code" in this game. He's also very much against asking for help. So there'll never be any noteworthy DRM.

 

[ocworld]

Also, as I got it, he will try to implement some kind of DRM in the future. I just want to believe he has decency not to stoop down to any malware.

You just give him idea.Also why he start saying the piracy is bad,yes piracy is bad but even developers forums indie developers trying put some ground discussion.

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[ocworld]

I went to college for game development, and whenever the question of piracy came up the answer was always the same: "Piracy is a nice problem to have"
People only pirate popular games.
And the only people who actually believe piracy leads to lost sales are out-of-touch business executives. Most developers shouldn't even bother with DRM.

 

[JohnnyRazer]

You just give him idea.Also why he start saying the piracy is bad,yes piracy is bad but even developers forums indie developers trying put some ground discussion.

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I didn't give him an idea, because it's already there. Normally I wouldn't even doubt in his decency, but recent events and a few posts from him I saw on Discord gave me some minor concerns.

I went to college for game development, and whenever the question of piracy came up the answer was always the same: "Piracy is a nice problem to have"
People only pirate popular games.
And the only people who actually believe piracy leads to lost sales are out-of-touch business executives. Most developers shouldn't even bother with DRM.

Well, good luck with telling Selebus that.

He's frankly not skilled enough to implement any real DRM. That much should be apparent just by looking at the spaghetti of "code" in this game. He's also very much against asking for help. So there'll never be any noteworthy DRM.

I certainly don't want to verify it. And didn't he get some help with the website?

 

[ocworld]

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[k1n5l4y3r]

Can we stop discussing Sel and keep talking about who you want as the next romanceable character and why its Plant #4?

 

[JohnnyRazer]

Can we stop discussing Sel and keep talking about who you want as the next romanceable character and why its Plant #4?

Of course, I just need to catch up on somewhat XXX hours of reading first.

 

[Deleted member 3482284]

A statement made by Selebus on discord following the recent events. Now with 40% less hostility.

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I'll focus on the sentence where he says it isn't greedy for him to want to have people pay for a product he's selling, because it's the only important thing in his rant. So yet again he's shot himself in the foot. The fact he freely admits to committing and profiting from piracy while trying to say he's a victim of it wasn't the brightest thing to do. Especially in a statement from his personal account like this.

The reason why this and any other game like it won't ever make it to steam, is because Illusion would demolish them in court and take everything that they have. For stealing from them and committing piracy. The reason why indie developers like Selebus get away with robbing the company's assets and selling it on as their own is because getting paid monthly donations on Patreon or SS isn't legally the same as directly selling it on the market with a set price to be paid. He is without a doubt the most toxic, self destructive and un-self aware developer I've ever seen in my life.

Nobody asked him to send his minions to harass an entire forum, or to share the mods email in his discord and tell everyone to mass spam it. He did that himself. And now he complains like a baby when attacking the people he hates doesn't work out for him. He needs to live with his choices.

 

[Black Raven]

He's on a break, but he's coordinating hate raids and you yourself reposted the gigantic rant he just wrote

Well he's entitled to do whatever the fuck he wants while on his break ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm sure you're also grossly overestimating the time all of this actually took him, can't be more than a few hours total.

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

shouldn't even bother with DRM.

This is, as far as I am aware gog.com's policy. Granted thats for more mainstream content than one usually finds here.

 

[darkparts]

the Lil discord community has too much vitriol against this place now

I think vitriol might be an understatement given that several discord members in Pat Chat wanted to zipbomb F95 users.

 

[vehemental]

I think vitriol might be an understatement given that several discord members in Pat Chat wanted to zipbomb F95 users.

Very well-reasoned, high-level discourse. Man, isn't it the peak of irony that literally every single person there values their account here too much to bring that kind of rhetoric outside of their hugbox? Incredible

 

[jamyong]

this thread is so much better when the discussion revolves around lore theory and predictions about the game. even the constant requests for puzzle answers and how to escape the broken world is better than a lot of the moral grandstanding that these Selebus vs The World discussions tend to produce. I admit it can be entertaining but it definitely drags on for far too many pages everytime this thread gets off track.

a lot of yall seem to not only be obsessed with Selebus drama, but also with other users here and their positions within that drama. it's kind of weird

 

[ElukiaTV]

So... will Yumi get her 10k$?
and if so...
What's she gonna waste it on?

 

[hcguy]

So... will Yumi get her 10k$?
and if so...
What's she gonna waste it on?

She should pay one of her Yakuza associates to take out Nodoka.

 

[jamyong]

So... will Yumi get her 10k$?
and if so...
What's she gonna waste it on?

I sure hope she does. I feel like she would help Chika with some expenses, or maybe even help them get a new apartment. She might get Sensei a present as well, which would be an adorable scene that he definitely does not deserve.

I could also see her buying a bunch of shit to resell at a higher price. She is a businesswoman, after all.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

Buy lockpicks so she can enter houses and steal TVs to sell.