Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[Algorist]

Since they allow games with adult content, it doesn't make any sense that someone at Patreon would have directly told him to remove all of it. At the same time, apart from the blatant incest, they probably weren't able to draw a line at exactly what constituted an underage-looking character - because how can you?

So while removing it may have been the only way he might have been reinstated, since they also don't allow off-site patches to add content they disallow, the whole plan was very obviously never going to work to anyone who wasn't irrationally desperate to retain their supporters on the best crowdfunding platform.

Put yourself in the Patreon rep's shoes - if someone rewrote their game to become such a ridiculously stupid parody of itself, and plans to patch it off-site were already on the public Discord before the appeal was resolved, you would correctly think they were insulting your intelligence. And if you were that Patreon rep's manager and they asked you what they should do in that situation, you'd probably tell them just to ban the dev permanently and cut off all contact instead of dealing with such a blatant bad-faith actor any further.

He went ahead with such an insane idea because he's greedy and thought he'd lose money going to another platform (it was only temporary), he's stubborn, and he thinks he's the smartest person in every room he's in - not because anyone at Patreon promised him it would work.

He treated the people at Patreon like NPCs and got rightfully burned for it. Nothing more. And he felt so personally aggrieved at the situation that it's enshrined seemingly forever in an event inside of his own game.

Okay, you have convinced me. There's no way the Huggy Boy "trick" would ever work.

 

[Rasc]

Going through the first care package right now and what did Selebus do to get banned from the Harem Hotel Discord?

 

[Bingoogus]

Alright, i'm bored so lets have some random theorising.

Who do you think will next be getting speared on Sensei's very large penis and why?

Whomsts do you think will next be having a threesome with Sensei and his very large penis?

I forget, does anyone have anal content? If not, who do you think will take it first? If there is, who do you think will take it next? It is a very large penis.

Who do you think would have the funniest reaction to first seeing Sensei's very large penis?

Very large penis.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Alright, i'm bored so lets have some random theorising.

Who do you think will next be getting speared on Sensei's very large penis and why?

Whomsts do you think will next be having a threesome with Sensei and his very large penis?

I forget, does anyone have anal content? If not, who do you think will take it first? If there is, who do you think will take it next? It is a very large penis.

Who do you think would have the funniest reaction to first seeing Sensei's very large penis?

Very large penis.

Next stabbing victim: Either Noriko or Molly
Next threesome: Consenting: Chika/Yumi. Angel-induces zombie threesome: Niki/Noriko. Kirin-related trauma threesome: Kirin/Io
Next Anal Stabbing: Ayane. I think there's only anal content for Ami right now, and Ayane's the character that actually needs a way to take the D that can't get her pregnant right now.
Reaction: Yasu. "He told me you would fill me with His love, but the only thing you're going to fill me with is pain"

 

[alex2011]

yeah everything, you and others even acknowledge he antagonizes people before this shit started going down, this has nothing to do with if he was right or not. he does/says things that end up putting a foot up his arse. deserved or not isn't my point. i feel like he gets an unfair rep and isn't as bad as he is made out to be most of the time. but to say he didn't antagonize a crap ton of people with his behavior is delusional.

Again, though, I cite Patreon and Itch.io as cases where it was a third party, all he did was develop the game.

Since they allow games with adult content, it doesn't make any sense that someone at Patreon would have directly told him to remove all of it. At the same time, apart from the blatant incest, they probably weren't able to draw a line at exactly what constituted an underage-looking character - because how can you?

So while removing it may have been the only way he might have been reinstated, since they also don't allow off-site patches to add content they disallow, the whole plan was very obviously never going to work to anyone who wasn't irrationally desperate to retain their supporters on the best crowdfunding platform.

Put yourself in the Patreon rep's shoes - if someone rewrote their game to become such a ridiculously stupid parody of itself, and plans to patch it off-site were already on the public Discord before the appeal was resolved, you would correctly think they were insulting your intelligence. And if you were that Patreon rep's manager and they asked you what they should do in that situation, you'd probably tell them just to ban the dev permanently and cut off all contact instead of dealing with such a blatant bad-faith actor any further.

He went ahead with such an insane idea because he's greedy and thought he'd lose money going to another platform (it was only temporary), he's stubborn, and he thinks he's the smartest person in every room he's in - not because anyone at Patreon promised him it would work.

He treated the people at Patreon like NPCs and got rightfully burned for it. Nothing more. And he felt so personally aggrieved at the situation that it's enshrined seemingly forever in an event inside of his own game.

Speaking to the issue of telling age, there's the potential for the school setting to have been their red flag, that's how Harem Hotel got flagged before and it was because a character was wearing a uniform often associated with middle/junior high school in Japan. In the case of Harem Hotel, it was a lot clearer what their problem was and the fix was outright stated, which then resulted in the removal of that uniform as an actual school outfit for the character. In the case of LiL, they wear school uniforms that can be seen at the high school level in Japan, but there are also two characters that are pretty blatantly at a Patreon forbidden apparent age.

There was also an attempt to ban the art style of Koikatsu and any other anime based one by Patreon for this very reason, though it got serious backlash causing it to fail.

Going through the first care package right now and what did Selebus do to get banned from the Harem Hotel Discord?

He's banned in the Harem Hotel Discord? As I am not in that server and all my Harem Hotel news comes from F95, this is the first I'm hearing of it.

 

[Bingoogus]

Reaction: Yasu. "He told me you would fill me with His love, but the only thing you're going to fill me with is pain"

You fucking murdered my poor smoker's lungs bro.

 

[ocworld]

he thinks he's the smartest person in every room he's in - not because anyone at Patreon promised him it would work.

I'm actually surprised that he knows pirate resources that even pirates shouldn't know.He's always looking for loopholes to avoid the law.

Going through the first care package right now and what did Selebus do to get banned from the Harem Hotel Discord?

You're doing it now.

He's banned in the Harem Hotel Discord? As I am not in that server and all my Harem Hotel news comes from F95, this is the first I'm hearing of it.

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[Bingoogus]

Alright, i'm bored so lets have some random theorising.

Who do you think will next be getting speared on Sensei's very large penis and why?

Whomsts do you think will next be having a threesome with Sensei and his very large penis?

I forget, does anyone have anal content? If not, who do you think will take it first? If there is, who do you think will take it next? It is a very large penis.

Who do you think would have the funniest reaction to first seeing Sensei's very large penis?

Very large penis.

Come on, only Bargle replied, where's the rest of the usual gang? There's a very large penis roaming about and i need to know what you think is going to happen to it.

 

[Wardtnaci]

Alright, i'm bored so lets have some random theorising.

Who do you think will next be getting speared on Sensei's very large penis and why?

Whomsts do you think will next be having a threesome with Sensei and his very large penis?

I forget, does anyone have anal content? If not, who do you think will take it first? If there is, who do you think will take it next? It is a very large penis.

Who do you think would have the funniest reaction to first seeing Sensei's very large penis?

Very large penis.

Come on, only Bargle replied, where's the rest of the usual gang? There's a very large penis roaming about and i need to know what you think is going to happen to it.

Next stabbing victim: Either Noriko or Molly
Next threesome: Consenting: Chika/Yumi. Angel-induces zombie threesome: Niki/Noriko. Kirin-related trauma threesome: Kirin/Io
Next Anal Stabbing: Ayane. I think there's only anal content for Ami right now, and Ayane's the character that actually needs a way to take the D that can't get her pregnant right now.
Reaction: Yasu. "He told me you would fill me with His love, but the only thing you're going to fill me with is pain"

This made me laugh too, though my smokers cough is long behind me in the past.

Next Stabbing: Miku &/or Noriko since both can earn lust points, well Noriko can't but her "noriko_lust" Var. is set to "0" instead of "N/A" @ start of game.

Next 3some: Maki with another Milf, maybe Sara or Rika; or maybe 4some with Maki, Haruka & Sara. Or an all girl 3some of Rika with Wakana & Osako.

non lust point earning lust scene: Sana getting awkwardly caught using the Quadrildo that causes funny exchange of dialogue which leads to a size comparison of Penis Vs. Quadrildo; and Sana saying something like: "Penis too big! Sticking with Quadrildo!!"

The rest of what Barg. said I agree with.

Almost done with Cp. 2

 

[Bingoogus]

"Penis too big sticking with Quadrildo!"

Laughed pretty hard to that one too, though not as hard as Bargle's... i feel like, personally, my money would be on Yumi, i'd expect something like Sensei pulling down his trousers and Yumi just staring at it for a few seconds before going "...nope" and getting dressed, muttering "fuck that..." as she leaves the room.

 

[Wardtnaci]

Quick Question: Are survey question in "Spotless Mind" the puzzle answers for "A Life of Prizes"?

Spoiler: Ignore this only my answers for later reference

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[alex2011]

I'm actually surprised that he knows pirate resources that even pirates shouldn't know.He's always looking for loopholes to avoid the law.

You're doing it now.

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Ah, so it was for no good reason. This is the kind of thing I am talking about when I say I would only drop a game if the developer is throwing some real heat. This would be the second thing that irked me, the first was a politically charged comment undoubtedly directed at me when I tried to warn him of potential issues with doing certain things, a comment where he also talked badly about this game in the same manner as this ban we're talking about. Don't get me wrong, Harem Hotel is good, but that's becoming less and less satisfactory to me to continue with the game at all.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I have much to consider.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Laughed pretty hard to that one too, though not as hard as Bargle's... i feel like, personally, my money would be on Yumi, i'd expect something like Sensei pulling down his trousers and Yumi just staring at it for a few seconds before going "...nope" and getting dressed, muttering "fuck that..." as she leaves the room.

She's already seen it, though.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Ah, so it was for no good reason. This is the kind of thing I am talking about when I say I would only drop a game if the developer is throwing some real heat. This would be the second thing that irked me, the first was a politically charged comment undoubtedly directed at me when I tried to warn him of potential issues with doing certain things, a comment where he also talked badly about this game in the same manner as this ban we're talking about. Don't get me wrong, Harem Hotel is good, but that's becoming less and less satisfactory to me to continue with the game at all.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I have much to consider.

soooo the exact things selebus already does... is the kind thing that would get you to abandon this game... lol

Again, though, I cite Patreon and Itch.io as cases where it was a third party, all he did was develop the game.

again i cite yourself when you admited that it was a high possibility the patreon and itch.io fiasco's were done in retaliation by a jilted discord member/consumer. thus making the root cause something selebus did or said. regardless of if he was right or not

 

[ocworld]

Ah, so it was for no good reason.

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[Bingoogus]

She's already seen it, though.

Fuck, you're right, well... if it hadn't been for that scene that'd be a funny way for her to react.

 

[ocworld]

Found it

 

[alex2011]

soooo the exact things selebus already does... is the kind thing that would get you to abandon this game... lol


again i cite yourself when you admited that it was a high possibility the patreon and itch.io fiasco's were done in retaliation by a jilted discord member/consumer. thus making the root cause something selebus did or said. regardless of if he was right or not

No, notice the nuance of the situation, it was directed at Sel for what is very likely fictional content and very likely because of LiL, that is an automatic two strikes and Harem Hotel was already on one for the comment that seemed to be subtly directed at me.

I also said it could have been an anti-fiction activist and that it was discovered that the Itch.io issue indeed was anti-fiction activists, anti-fiction referring to people who will act against a work of fiction if it has fictional content of a type they disagree with allowing even if it is legal, the biggest group being those who would act against characters in adult games that have a certain appearance. In fact, this is the same group I warned the Harem Hotel developer about as at the time they were very active out in the open where the developer is known to talk about his game, leading to the politically charged comment seemingly directed at me considering I was the only one mentioning it.

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Found it
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I see, the evidence is now clear and so is my course of action, again thank you.

 

[KnowNoHope]

No, notice the nuance of the situation, it was directed at Sel for what is very likely fictional content and very likely because of LiL, that is an automatic two strikes and Harem Hotel was already on one for the comment that seemed to be subtly directed at me.

yes this situation is directed at sel... the behavior that is directed at sel though in this specific stuation... is the exact same behavior sel directs towards others in his own group. very 'rules for thee, but not for me' attitude.

I also said it could have been an anti-fiction activist and that it was discovered that the Itch.io issue indeed was anti-fiction activists, anti-fiction referring to people who will act against a work of fiction if it has fictional content of a type they disagree with allowing, the biggest group being those who would act against characters in adult games that have a certain appearance. In fact, this is the same group I warned the Harem Hotel developer about as at the time they were very active out in the open where the developer is known to talk about his game, leading to the politically charged comment seemingly directed at me considering I was the only one mentioning it.

i feel as if you are intentionally being obtuse and trying to back track yourself out of it.

 

[alex2011]

yes this situation is directed at sel... the behavior that is directed at sel though in this specific stuation... is the exact same behavior sel directs towards others in his own group. very 'rules for thee, but not for me' attitude.


i feel as if you are intentionally being obtuse and trying to back track yourself out of it.

For fiction, that's the point, on my system it is two strikes to take action against fiction in any form which is legal in its country of production and then one strike for negative comments directed at me for trying to help was already on the board. It wouldn't matter if this was directed at Sel, it could be directed at a random stray cat and it would produce the same resulting response from me if there was evidence of it. Ridiculous example intentional to illustrate my point, it was the specific thing directed at Sel, not who it was directed at that is my issue with the Discord ban.

No, not being obtuse, I literally said it could be either a disgruntled patron or anti-fiction activists hunting down anything resembling content they don't want to exist. I will quote the specific section below and bold relevant text:

We didn't see exactly who reported it, so it could have been anyone from a disgruntled patron to an actual anti-fiction activist (in this context, anti-fiction should be obvious, but to explain just in case, it is referring to people so vehemently against adult content with younger characters even though the characters they are against do not exist IRL that they make a move against the fiction depicting the character in that way, in this case reporting it to the anti-fiction site the fiction was hosted on).