Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[DarkDaemonX]

I always just figured Io was aesexual. There are a lot of people who are aesexual but not aromantic - she wants to cuddle, she wants to do things with him, be around him, but sex just isn't interesting to her. Honestly it's been my read of her for a long time. I figured eventually she'd give in for fear of losing him to someone who *is* sexual.

But that doesn't explain how she was terrified when Sensei touched her.

 

[Wardtnaci]

But that doesn't explain how she was terrified when Sensei touched her.

Which event was that? Fk this game has too much going on. My mind is like a full cup of water, pour something new in and something else drips out!

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Which event was that? Fk this game has too much going on. My mind is like a full cup of water, pour something new in and something else drips out!

That would her latest event 1999 PC rollercoaster tycoon (god I missed this game too)

 

[crustlord12]

It already progresses at a maddeningly slow pace, I can't imagine having even fewer hints of the real plot.

Yeah, I agree. I'm annoyed by the brag that it has more words than the bible... is that supposed to be impressive? What if you cut out all the superfluous shit? I can appreciate the fact that good writing isn't completely terse, but there's a lot of chaff in the text as well. Brevity is the soul of wit, why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?

And using my previous paragraph as an example, I used way too many words to say "this game has way too much text".

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Io can be all of that combined, asexual, had been under some type of abuse, socially apathetic for the most part, and self-loathing altogether. Under abusive relationship might be the cause to all the effects we see today, including "Io being Io" the women-hater and getting scared by handsy Sensei (but to be fair Sensei is "acting up" again during that so maybe something else also scares her). However, her past was only heavily implied and essentially not enough was revealed to really figure out the details.


For the most part, her interactions with Sensei give me an IRL little sister vibes more than any character: a little sister that is smart, component, and perceptive enough but displays a little brother complex, gets upset if Sensei isn't "with an approved girl", and currently only wants plutonic affection from him. I think maybe the problem is that she hasn't completely figured out what she wants from her relationship with Sensei, or completely realized what relationship with girls in general means in Sensei's eyes.


She honestly is so difficult for me to read and I mostly just enjoy her complexity from afar (I remembered lengths of posts discussing her personalities at some point but I was and am still too dense to follow; will check them out again later)

I always just figured Io was aesexual. There are a lot of people who are aesexual but not aromantic.

I read it wrong and thought you said aromatic and I was like wait what LOL

 

[barglenarglezous]

I always just figured Io was aesexual. There are a lot of people who are aesexual but not aromantic - she wants to cuddle, she wants to do things with him, be around him, but sex just isn't interesting to her. Honestly it's been my read of her for a long time. I figured eventually she'd give in for fear of losing him to someone who *is* sexual.

Her reaction when they were cuddling and she suddenly freaked out would imply she is actively sex-averse, which is usually something born from trauma.

 

[KnowNoHope]

I always just figured Io was aesexual. There are a lot of people who are aesexual but not aromantic - she wants to cuddle, she wants to do things with him, be around him, but sex just isn't interesting to her. Honestly it's been my read of her for a long time. I figured eventually she'd give in for fear of losing him to someone who *is* sexual.

Her reaction when they were cuddling and she suddenly freaked out would imply she is actively sex-averse, which is usually something born from trauma.

i mean there is that
and her convo with uta on the beach.
but i pegged her as asexual early then changed my mind quickly based on her peeping habits in the onsen.
It's actually kind of funny this is being brought up. I had an asexual friend in college and he couldn't stand the college group for it, because in his words "it became a support group for sex abuse victims that were traumatized about sex and anyone that was actually asexual was pushed out years ago". apparently its a thing

 

[barglenarglezous]

i mean there is that
and her convo with uta on the beach.
but i pegged her as asexual early then changed my mind quickly based on her peeping habits in the onsen.
It's actually kind of funny this is being brought up. I had an asexual friend in college and he couldn't stand the college group for it, because in his words "it became a support group for sex abuse victims that were traumatized about sex and anyone that was actually asexual was pushed out years ago". apparently its a thing

Yeah, asexuality and sex rejection due to trauma overlap a lot, and I don't know if that relationship is causal or coincidental, but in the sample size I have access to, most of our trauma happened so early in life that we didn't have time to experience a normal sex drive.

Io may or may not be asexual, it's hard to tell. Her voyeuristic tendencies don't disqualify that, as aesthetic attraction and physical/sexual attraction are wholly different things. And enjoying watching sex is not the same as enjoying having sex. Asexual voyeur is entirely within the realm of possibility.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Yeah, asexuality and sex rejection due to trauma overlap a lot, and I don't know if that relationship is causal or coincidental

my friend made it sound like its a large group that were traumatized and wanted to be asexual and were not. He never went back to that group because these people were either always talking about sex and their experience with sex negatively like it was getting a root canal or some were openly flirting using body language. from what he said for someone that is actually asexual, sex is like an annoying chore but you don't get anything out of it and if you do it, its for someone else, not for you. guy just wanted a place to go to where he didnt need to be constantly aware of other peoples body language for a few hours a day and can just talk about shit... guy was stupidly good looking too so he got hit on all the time.

 

[alex2011]

Ayane was always pretty mid to me as a character. I like her now

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I laughed way too hard at this

I laughed at that scene because i thought ayane was projecting so hard on kirin
we still have no reason for why ayane even likes sensei other than he gave her the bare minimum amount of attention to her when everyone else in her life ignored her

yeah i mean, i get that. thats pretty much the only reason we got
but there seems to be no other reason than "he gives me attention"
which is why i laughed when the kettle called the pot black in that scene

For me, it was more because of what had happened in the beach event, karma. It is as if Ayane finally snapped and told her off, something I love to see in the face of things like what Kirin pulled. I don't see it as projection from Ayane since it was true, not a reflection of her own actions or self, but something Kirin herself was responsible for. If it hadn't been for the way Kirin acts, I could see projection. As far as reasons, yeah, pretty much as you said. Her own family doesn't pay enough attention to her, she has to rely on her butler for it at home and that's not good enough. Plus there's the rich thing as
barglenarglezous said, which no doubt gets her unwanted attention in more ways than one, possibly negative attention for being rich from other people around her that are not, probably at least a few looking to exploit that wealth, yet Sensei gives her unconditional attention in a positive way.

For me, the HAPPY SCENES go on a bit too long. I'm just in it for the character development. The happy scenes are just a means to an end...an avenue to explore the more philosophical themes. I can relate to Sensai on a few levels...feeling as if I inevitably hurting the ones I love...suffering from memory loss and a personality shift (I wouldn't recommend having multiple TBIs). Every time I'm completely about to give up on one girl as having any redeeming qualities, he draws me back in. I was damn surprised he made me not completely turned off by Nodoka.

I know Sensai will be breaking someone's heart, but I love his relationship with almost every character right now. I just hope we get a quality ending or two.

The happy scenes are far from a means to an end, this being a Denpa game, they are an important part of the main story. They are starting to blend together in the later story, which with Denpa games is a good sign that we are heading down into the very dark part of the story even if we haven't reached it yet.

I always just figured Io was aesexual. There are a lot of people who are aesexual but not aromantic - she wants to cuddle, she wants to do things with him, be around him, but sex just isn't interesting to her. Honestly it's been my read of her for a long time. I figured eventually she'd give in for fear of losing him to someone who *is* sexual.

Nah, too easy, there's usually more to it in this game if it seems like it could be as simple as that.

But that doesn't explain how she was terrified when Sensei touched her.

I would say androphobia, but she doesn't freak out all that much around him, just at a touch. There's a chance of it being a more subdued case of it, but I am not certain.

Yeah, I agree. I'm annoyed by the brag that it has more words than the bible... is that supposed to be impressive? What if you cut out all the superfluous shit? I can appreciate the fact that good writing isn't completely terse, but there's a lot of chaff in the text as well. Brevity is the soul of wit, why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?

And using my previous paragraph as an example, I used way too many words to say "this game has way too much text".

As a literary work, which VNs can be counted as, yes, it would be impressive.

 

[barglenarglezous]

my friend made it sound like its a large group that were traumatized and wanted to be asexual and were not. He never went back to that group because these people were either always talking about sex and their experience with sex negatively like it was getting a root canal or some were openly flirting using body language. from what he said for someone that is actually asexual, sex is like an annoying chore but you don't get anything out of it and if you do it, its for someone else, not for you. guy just wanted a place to go to where he didnt need to be constantly aware of other peoples body language for a few hours a day and can just talk about shit... guy was stupidly good looking too so he got hit on all the time.

There's a spectrum to asexuality. I know some people do feel it's a chore they'd rather not do, others who will happily do it for someone they care about to make them happy, and others who get squicked out by the whole idea of it.

All of it's valid.

 

[zeroidk]

Yeah, I agree. I'm annoyed by the brag that it has more words than the bible... is that supposed to be impressive? What if you cut out all the superfluous shit? I can appreciate the fact that good writing isn't completely terse, but there's a lot of chaff in the text as well. Brevity is the soul of wit, why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?

And using my previous paragraph as an example, I used way too many words to say "this game has way too much text".

This thread has more fuckin words than the bible. Every time I check in here there's walls upon walls of text, I just wanna see progress but give up at the first page every time. Including now lol

 

[akselx]

There's a spectrum to asexuality. I know some people do feel it's a chore they'd rather not do, others who will happily do it for someone they care about to make them happy, and others who get squicked out by the whole idea of it.

All of it's valid.

How does one distinguish asexuality from low lebido in milder cases of it?

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

I would say androphobia, but she doesn't freak out all that much around him, just at a touch. There's a chance of it being a more subdued case of it, but I am not certain.

Nah, Io activelly pursues physical contact with him, she wanted to cuddle and hold hands in the bath scene with Sara and Yuki, but when the touch turns sexual she becomes nauseated, she had to get under a bridge and puke after he touched her in his bed.
I think she was forced to do sexual things with a male by a female, and probably the male was very supportive of her, but had no choice in the matter like her, we know nothing about her family except that she lives with her aunt so I won't speculate too much, but I don't think she would've opened up to Uta considering she thought Uta was a boy if she had androphobia.

 

[barglenarglezous]

How does one distinguish asexuality from low lebido in milder cases of it?

Asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction (or sexual attraction that is highly contingent on some non-sexual requirement, like a deep emotional attachment).

Low libido is just a lack of interest in sex, they'd still experience the attraction, even if they don't feel the desire.

 

[Wardtnaci]

Since everyone is talking about Io, I found an EE with her not sure if everyone knows about it.

Despite what UOLBDM1 says, I did not go code diving!

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Since everyone is talking about Io, I found an EE with her not sure if everyone knows about it.
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Despite what UOLBDM1 says, I did not go code diving!

You sir got some 4D brain right there

 

[Bingoogus]

This meme perfectly encapsulates what it feels like for me half the time i come into this thread.

 

[PJZMASTER2450]

How to pass reset event? I'm stuck here for a while

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

which reset event?

How to pass reset event? I'm stuck here for a while