Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[somepersonoutofnowhere]

Is there an limited number of days?

Nope, the days are infinite, although there are events that need XX days and XXX days to trigger, either way don't worry about the amount of days but instead worry about the order of certain (not alot just a few from time to time) events you do (and options) to not miss events, well that is if you're on a 100% playthrough, if not then you can do them without order.

 

[Dc345]

Spoiler: Futaba Event Title

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[Fire Lord Zuko]

Spoiler: Futa Event Title

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[Moonflare]

And is still hiding that she was bullying Ami, from Sensei [...]

Sensei didn't like when Otoha slapped Rin (His pseudo daughter), so I'm curious what Sensei would say if he found out Ayane (Another pseudo daughter) slapped Ami (Possibly his actual daughter), now that he seems to finally be trying to give a shit about Ami.

Ayane being a "coward" and only fighting when she knows she's got supernatural backing is one thing (that I don't necessarily agree with, but can see), but saying that she was bullying Ami is way too far for me. Ami's behavior upon being slapped, and the way she reacts later, isn't cohesive with a weak girl behaving so that her bully doesn't mistreat her.

Spoiler: further thoughts

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[Moonflare]

Spoiler: Futa Event Title

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???????

The second symposium is a FUTABA EVENT? Ok, I was not expecting that. I guess DeSkel is going to have a party with Futaba being more relevant now. Also, I wonder who's going to be the third then. Since it was Noriko first, now Futaba, who will be the third girl.

Also, this kind of throws a wrench into the plan of having Noriko joining the RAS (or at least saving Maya by herself), since she'll probably just have one supernatural event rather than three. If it follows the pattern of one symposium per update, then the next one would be one of these girls:

Spoiler: 0.43

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I guess either Sana, Makoto or Yumi would make the most sense. But if it follows the idea of involving a girl in the supernatural that wasn't before, then we'd have Chika, Touka, Miku or Karin. I wonder if it's Touka, since Selebus mentioned a possible animation between her and Yasu, and that'd have to be something supernatural to make that happen imo.

 

[Antosha]

Besides them, my opinions on the characters haven't really changed all that much since the start. The Io stuff was predictable. Sana didn't surprise me at all. Even figured she'd say "Machamp". Ami is Ami. Uta is Uta. Yasu is Yasu. Sensei is Sensei. Etc. Most of these characters are somewhat predictable, in a good way, imo.

Huh.

Not being particularly savvy to anime/manga or denpa tropes, I *was* surprised by all of them. Sana especially. Loved her when she was just a little bundle of sweet — still love her now that she’s revealed her inner freak, but I have anti say, she’s a bit terrifying as well.

 

[Antosha]

???????

The second symposium is a FUTABA EVENT? Ok, I was not expecting that. I guess DeSkel is going to have a party with Futaba being more relevant now. Also, I wonder who's going to be the third then. Since it was Noriko first, now Futaba, who will be the third girl.

Also, this kind of throws a wrench into the plan of having Noriko joining the RAS, since she'll probably just have one supernatural event rather than three. If it follows the pattern of one symposium per update, then the next one would be one of these girls:

Spoiler: 0.43

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I guess either Sana, Makoto or Yumi would make the most sense. But if it follows the idea of involving a girl in the supernatural that wasn't before, then we'd have Chika, Touka, Miku or Karin. I wonder if it's Touka, since Selebus mentioned a possible animation between her and Yasu, and that'd have to be something supernatural to make that happen imo.

I mean, Sana makes sense, since she’s the supposed face of the chapter. And she’s gone through the biggest transformation — both in herself and in the others’ view of her. Not sure, though…

 

[somepersonoutofnowhere]

???????

The second symposium is a FUTABA EVENT? Ok, I was not expecting that. I guess DeSkel is going to have a party with Futaba being more relevant now. Also, I wonder who's going to be the third then. Since it was Noriko first, now Futaba, who will be the third girl.

Also, this kind of throws a wrench into the plan of having Noriko joining the RAS (or at least saving Maya by herself), since she'll probably just have one supernatural event rather than three. If it follows the pattern of one symposium per update, then the next one would be one of these girls:

Spoiler: 0.43

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I guess either Sana, Makoto or Yumi would make the most sense. But if it follows the idea of involving a girl in the supernatural that wasn't before, then we'd have Chika, Touka, Miku or Karin. I wonder if it's Touka, since Selebus mentioned a possible animation between her and Yasu, and that'd have to be something supernatural to make that happen imo.

I'm saying Chika has a higher chance than Touka since Chika she's gonna be bluejaying or something similar, Makoto had a bit of supernatural during her crazy periods so having the third TSS be her thing after 42v will be quite a scene, but this is all based on what happens during 42v and can also just not happen in 43v considering something else...

The third one could be Touka's if we follow some sort of pattern with the characters getting TSS'd, I cannot elaborate since I can't put my finger on that idea since god damn, it is extremely blurry, but there's some similarity between Noriko and Futa that's causing me that blurry idea.

Now off to what might be the WORST possibility if it happens, Miku, she seems a bit too fragile to handle getting TSS'd imo.
It's up to someone else if they want to theorize what might make her have the chance to get there.

 

[DeSkel15]

Ayane being a "coward" and only fighting when she knows she's got supernatural backing is one thing (that I don't necessarily agree with, but can see), but saying that she was bullying Ami is way too far for me. Ami's behavior upon being slapped, and the way she reacts later, isn't cohesive with a weak girl behaving so that her bully doesn't mistreat her.

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Ayane literally threatened to keep hitting Ami if she didn't do what she wanted:

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Not to mention lying straight to her face while trying to gaslight her. That's the bullying I'm referring to.

Nothing Ami did, earned physical violence. Ayane let herself be left out in the woods. It was part of the dorm wars, that she could have forfeited. Even being there overnight wasn't on Ami. That was on the Shapeshifter.

On top of this, it's pretty clear why Ami acted the way she did:

Ayane, Maya, and Sensei are trying to keep Ami from finding out about the resets, and continously do things behind her back that she can't ignore throughout Chapter 3.

For example, Ayane "borderline" kidnaps Sensei right in front of Ami while she has to work in Ayane's 'How The World Works' Chapter 3 Event:

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Ayane and Maya also seemed to start hanging out without Ami, including at the Shrine:

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and basically since the beginning of Chapter 3, Ami made it rather clear she noticed they were acting different:

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Even Tsuneyo seemed to pick up that Ayane changed:

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Albeit, she's far more perceptive than she let's on.

Overall: This all seemed to translate to Ami thinking that her friends are intentionally leaving her out of things, which well, they were, and they are not exactly good at hiding it.

And Ayane definitely was not treating Ami as an "equal" nor was Ami considering her one (she had prior probably, but not since then). Ayane literally bossed her around to the point that it worried Sensei, so much that he brought it up twice in that brief timespan. Ayane is still hiding this from Sensei for a reason.

Ayane isn't just a coward, or a bully, but a cowardly bully, tbh.

Of course, if Ami didn't just let her have her way, Ayane probably wouldn't be able to. After Maya scared Ayane, Ami wanted Ayane back, and even could offer sharing Sensei with her to mend their friendship:

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Allowing Ayane to bully her was what Ami had to do, to keep Ayane (and probably Sensei) happy in her eyes. Which is toxic, but Ami is the kind of person who casually helped Sensei shit in a bucket for 2 months. She's used to shitty situations.

Nevertheless, Ayane is the kind of person that'll choke, and hit others to get her way. Not to mention the whole having sex on the beds of her friends cause she's a horrible person stuff.

Btw, Ayane has had Ami and Sensei since she was 11 (her mother left around then), and likely Geoffrey as well. She's never actually been alone. Ami has literally been there to let her sleep on her:

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And if she needs someone whose very existence relies on her, to not feel alone, that somewhat speaks for itself.

 

[Moonflare]

Ayane literally threatened to keep hitting Ami if she didn't do what she wanted:

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Not to mention lying straight to her face while trying to gaslight her. That's the bullying I'm referring to.

Nothing Ami did, earned physical violence. Ayane let herself be left out in the woods. It was part of the dorm wars, that she could have forfeited. Even being there overnight wasn't on Ami. That was on the Shapeshifter.

On top of this, it's pretty clear why Ami acted the way she did:And Ayane definitely was not treating Ami as an "equal" nor was Ami considering her one (she had prior probably, but not since then). Ayane literally bossed her around to the point that it worried Sensei, so much that he brought it up twice in that brief timespan. Ayane is still hiding this from Sensei for a reason.

Ayane isn't just a coward, or a bully, but a cowardly bully, tbh.

Of course, if Ami didn't just let her have her way, Ayane probably wouldn't be able to. After Maya scared Ayane, Ami wanted Ayane back, and even could offer sharing Sensei with her to mend their friendship:

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Allowing Ayane to bully her was what Ami had to do, to keep Ayane (and probably Sensei) happy in her eyes. Which is toxic, but Ami is the kind of person who casually helped Sensei shit in a bucket for 2 months. She's used to shitty situations.

Nevertheless, Ayane is the kind of person that'll choke, and hit others to get her way. Not to mention the whole having sex on the beds of her friends cause she's a horrible person stuff.

Btw, Ayane has had Ami and Sensei since she was 11 (her mother left around then), and likely Geoffrey as well. She's never actually been alone. Ami has literally been there to let her sleep on her:

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And if she needs someone whose very existence relies on her, to not feel alone, that somewhat speaks for itself.

Well, I heavily disagree. But I don't think there's anything to be gained from continuing this either. Both points have been fairly presented. We don't have to agree in everything.

 

[Comiies]

???????

The second symposium is a FUTABA EVENT? Ok, I was not expecting that. I guess DeSkel is going to have a party with Futaba being more relevant now. Also, I wonder who's going to be the third then. Since it was Noriko first, now Futaba, who will be the third girl.

Also, this kind of throws a wrench into the plan of having Noriko joining the RAS (or at least saving Maya by herself), since she'll probably just have one supernatural event rather than three. If it follows the pattern of one symposium per update, then the next one would be one of these girls:

Spoiler: 0.43

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I guess either Sana, Makoto or Yumi would make the most sense. But if it follows the idea of involving a girl in the supernatural that wasn't before, then we'd have Chika, Touka, Miku or Karin. I wonder if it's Touka, since Selebus mentioned a possible animation between her and Yasu, and that'd have to be something supernatural to make that happen imo.

Im calling so many dips on Touka man you cant even imagine.My thought process is this.Karin has no reason to help Akira after what he did,Miku is too weak too do anything and Chika WILL break at the notion of Akira fucking other girls.So yes,Touka.

 

[Moonflare]

Im calling so many dips on Touka man you cant even imagine.My thought process is this.Karin has no reason to help Akira after what he did,Miku is too weak too do anything and Chika WILL break at the notion of Akira fucking other girls.So yes,Touka.

It would be interesting if Touka's first venture into the supernatural side of things confirmed some things we've been theorizing about Tsubasa (there are two events for her on the same update).

 

[Dc345]

Spoiler: Futaba Event Title

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I have no idea as to why Futaba was autocorrected to Futa when I was typing that out

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Spoiler: 0.43

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[Breadtaker]

Nothing Ami did, earned physical violence. Ayane let herself be left out in the woods. It was part of the dorm wars, that she could have forfeited. Even being there overnight wasn't on Ami. That was on the Shapeshifter.

This is way too dismissive of how Ami behaved in this event. The dorm war competition between Ayane and Yasu was a VERY bad and dangerous idea. True, that wasn't Ami idea but upon being given the role of escorting Ayane into the woods and awknowledging that she was scared and even trembling what does Ami do? Takes her much deeper into the woods than she's meant to and tries to take this opportunity probe Ayane for information and leverage her friendship to control her. She leaves her noticeably frightened friend alone in the woods without a comforting or encouraging word.

At the 12 hour mark Yasu returns. Touka is the only one with any sense to understand that this competition was a mistake. Maya is worried and asks if they should go looking for Ayane now that the competition is over. Ami (who again, is aware of the state Ayane was in) says they should give her more time and leave her be.

This is an actual emergency. Ayane is lost. Scared. Without food or clean water. No way to call for help. Could be unconcious, dead, or dying and Ami's response is to let her stew a bit longer. And by I bit longer, I mean at least another 12 hours becasue...

Ayane doesn't get back until nearly 24 hours into the event. No food, water, or shelter. No one went looking for her. Only after literal divine intervention rescued her did she get back. Ami feigns innocence and concern. Ami is trying to see how much she can get away with, how much she can push Ayane. Ayane confronts her. Ami still keeps up the act, then she gets slapped.

Its a slap, it's not nodoka getting her shit wrecked or even equal to the life threatening situation Ayane was in. Ami is fine. Ayane has discovered a way to deal with people who try to walk all over her and it has worked twice. I wouldn't call her a bully when she's just standing up to people who want to control her.

Even if by some miracle Ami is innocent, it doesn't change how this looks from Ayane or Maya's point of view and this is all just a misunderstanding at worst.

 

[aramaug]

Ayane literally threatened to keep hitting Ami if she didn't do what she wanted:

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Not to mention lying straight to her face while trying to gaslight her. That's the bullying I'm referring to.

Nothing Ami did, earned physical violence. Ayane let herself be left out in the woods. It was part of the dorm wars, that she could have forfeited. Even being there overnight wasn't on Ami. That was on the Shapeshifter.

On top of this, it's pretty clear why Ami acted the way she did:And Ayane definitely was not treating Ami as an "equal" nor was Ami considering her one (she had prior probably, but not since then). Ayane literally bossed her around to the point that it worried Sensei, so much that he brought it up twice in that brief timespan. Ayane is still hiding this from Sensei for a reason.

Ayane isn't just a coward, or a bully, but a cowardly bully, tbh.

Of course, if Ami didn't just let her have her way, Ayane probably wouldn't be able to. After Maya scared Ayane, Ami wanted Ayane back, and even could offer sharing Sensei with her to mend their friendship:

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Allowing Ayane to bully her was what Ami had to do, to keep Ayane (and probably Sensei) happy in her eyes. Which is toxic, but Ami is the kind of person who casually helped Sensei shit in a bucket for 2 months. She's used to shitty situations.

Nevertheless, Ayane is the kind of person that'll choke, and hit others to get her way. Not to mention the whole having sex on the beds of her friends cause she's a horrible person stuff.

Btw, Ayane has had Ami and Sensei since she was 11 (her mother left around then), and likely Geoffrey as well. She's never actually been alone. Ami has literally been there to let her sleep on her:

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And if she needs someone whose very existence relies on her, to not feel alone, that somewhat speaks for itself.

Like Moonflare, I heavily disagree with this take on their relationship. Prior to Maya "revealing" the psycho Ami stuff to Ayane, Ami had spent a whole chapter deliberately cultivating a psycho Ami persona in order to try and scare everyone else away from Sensei. The extended psychological manipulation that Ami used against Ayane is much worse than a single event of "bullying" where the whole point was to stop the manipulation and hopefully return them to a more normal relationship.

As you point out, Ayane hasn't been completely alone because she's had Ami, Sensei, and (to a lesser extent) Maya to rely on. Sensei has become a shell of the man who first became her father figure, and is inconsistent at best in how much he supports Ayane now. After Ayane joined the RAS, Maya started treating her less like a friend and more like a hindrance, and was completely fine with Ayane being factory reset, maybe even hoping for it. And so Ami, who had been her strongest source of support, starts pushing Ayane away with the psycho Ami act, she really is finding herself alone now.

It's very clear that if there is a power imbalance after Ayane stands up to Ami on the beach, it's still not in Ayane's favor. In Chapter 4, Ayane is really worried about Ami as well as Sensei, while Ami continues to be an absolute shit friend (and also confirms that she was deliberately manipulating Ayane earlier).

Spoiler: ...But Home is Nowhere

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[Riolol]

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What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?

 

[Nadekai]

What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?

... Tsurumi is better than Chinami ...

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?

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[LessonsInDissonance]

Like Moonflare, I heavily disagree with this take on their relationship. Prior to Maya "revealing" the psycho Ami stuff to Ayane, Ami had spent a whole chapter deliberately cultivating a psycho Ami persona in order to try and scare everyone else away from Sensei. The extended psychic manipulation that Ami used against Ayane is much worse than a single event of "bullying" where the whole point was to stop the manipulation and hopefully return them to a more normal relationship.

As you point out, Ayane hasn't been completely alone because she's had Ami, Sensei, and (to a lesser extent) Maya to rely on. Sensei has become a shell of the man who first became her father figure, and is inconsistent at best in how much he supports Ayane now. After Ayane joined the RAS, Maya started treating her less like a friend and more like a hindrance, and was completely fine with Ayane being factory reset, maybe even hoping for it. And so Ami, who had been her strongest source of support, starts pushing Ayane away with the psycho Ami act, she really is finding herself alone now.

It's very clear that if there is a power imbalance after Ayane stands up to Ami on the beach, it's still not in Ayane's favor. In Chapter 4, Ayane is really worried about Ami as well as Sensei, while Ami continues to be an absolute shit friend (and also confirms that she was deliberately manipulating Ayane earlier).

Spoiler: ...But Home is Nowhere

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Also, I don't know where this Ayane hate came from.

If anything, Ami has been a horrible friend and very abusive to her, but we let it slide because we like Ami while we call Otoha a bitch when her crimes on a "bad person scale" are genuinely lower, we are all hipocrites.

Ayane is an angel for putting up with it and forgiving Ami, that slap that she gave her is what a true friend would've done, she brought Ami down to earth and told her she wouldn't stand for it and would love her regardless.