Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[OIUEFIU]

Spoiler: pics

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Might just be reused asset, but thought you might wanna know.

 

[DeanNoriko]

Where'd you get the 12 from? I took those early Akira scenes to him being more like 5-7 as it's very much an elementary school classroom...

I checked one of the happy events (Good Boy) where I know it was mentioned that he cut his hand on a broken window and fell down and hurt his ankle, but it does not specify the age. Though Sekai talks about him being too embarrassed to accept a piggy back ride from her and that Niki is his girlfriend and that he probably jerks off to her.
I don't think 5-7 would fit in all that context, I suspect it would be closer to 12.

I randomly came across two things though that piqued my interest during that event.

Spoiler: A confirmation that Kaori was in fact in the white car?

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Spoiler: Another hint to this being, to some extent, a simulation/game/program?

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Edit:
Two more quotes I found fitting in this new context from this update, they are from Rain King:

Spoiler: This is pretty much what Pareidolia tried to tell Akira

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Spoiler: This is right at the end of the event, the last word being conveniently cut out

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[Dc345]

And this is what we call: a major screw up.

Kyoto takes place roughly a year before Ami was born, which would make Akira around 12, and Niki around 10. Nevermind that a 12 and a 10 year old are having 69s before even becoming boyfriend/girlfriend. This also highlights how Sekai kept on dealing with Nozomu after her trying to run away for another 8 years at least, which led to Akira becoming Niki's boyfriend - and all that followed. The way Kyoto made it seem, less time had passed between her promise and her death, but in actual fact it was a long-ass time.

On to Noriko, yes, this would be the most glaring screw-up. Even if Noriko is older than Ami, for her to be sneaking around trying to see them, she would have to be at least 3-4, at the very least. She most certainly isn't. Way to go, Selebus... I'm actually disappointed.

I still don't get it, where's my dunce cap. Are you saying that Yumi got sent to yet another Halloween and we're just not seeing it yet?

Niki's teen model is used in Kyoto so she would have to be in high-school.

 

[Moonflare]

Niki's teen model is used in Kyoto so she would have to be in high-school.

The girls are in the first year of highschool (I assume) and the youngest of them is 15. If Niki was 15, then 15/16 years later she'd be 30/31, but she's 28.

 

[Riolol]

I checked one of the happy events (Good Boy) where I know it was mentioned that he cut his hand on a broken window and fell down and hurt his ankle, but it does not specify the age. Though Sekai talks about him being too embarrassed to accept a piggy back ride from her and that Niki is his girlfriend and that he probably jerks off to her.
I don't think 5-7 would fit in all that context, I suspect it would be closer to 12.

I randomly came across two things though that piqued my interest during that event.

Spoiler: A confirmation that Kaori was in fact in the white car?

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Spoiler: Another hint to this being, to some extent, a simulation/game/program?

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Edit:
Two more quotes I found fitting in this new context from this update, they are from Rain King:

Spoiler: This is pretty much what Pareidolia tried to tell Akira

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Spoiler: This is right at the end of the event, the last word being conveniently cut out

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What if Kaori and her family were on foot? Might fix the car problem.

 

[Moonflare]

I just want to point out that regardless of what Nao-chan is, if we were to compare:

Spoiler: gods

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Nao-chan wins.

Spoiler: Kittens

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This has been my ted talk.

Edit: might be willing to reconsider if another god offers Ron or Yamo sex. But so far it's Nao-chan hands down.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Edit: might be willing to reconsider if another god offers Ron or Yamo sex.

If Chika facilitates this, we can elevate her to godhood.

 

[DeanNoriko]

Spoiler: Me waiting since whenever the choice was given for my promised Chika x Rin threesome scene

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Although now I am not sure anymore if I really want it to happen, given Chika's condition.
In any case, it won't happen this year at least anyway.

I wonder if barglenarglezous will be right and there will be some interesting changes in dynamics within the different timelines, for example Yumi being with Akira, Rin with Chika, Tsuneyo with Takoyaki Son, Son of Takoyaki Man.

 

[barglenarglezous]

I wonder if barglenarglezous will be right and there will be some interesting changes in dynamics within the different timelines, for example Yumi being with Akira, Rin with Chika, Tsuneyo with Takoyaki Son, Son of Takoyaki Man.

I think you're attributing someone else's theory to me.

I don't think we're in different timelines. I think they're witnessing a memory of past parties within the reset itself, and they need to navigate to the school rooftop to finish the journey.

Because of this, they might witness things they didn't during the actual party -- for example, Maya might walk in on Akira and Molly, but they're not actually travelling through time. This is all just reset fuckery.

 

[aramaug]

Spoiler: 0.45 Preview

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You know what door she's standing right outside.

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I had a feeling the boxes would come up in 0.45 with how often characters have referenced them in the last few updates, especially telling New Maya about them. Maybe they'll contain something that will help the RAS return to the main timeline?

Spoiler: Question

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Well that's blindingly obvious in retrospect.

Even if we ignore the Noriko thing, the timeline doesn't work. In "Kyoto" Niki says that Akira has been turning down sex for over a year.

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(And that's odd for a second reason, as Niki has implied she was the one who didn't want to have sex when they were younger.)
But Niki and Akira only dated for five years before the accident.

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The accident happened in September or October 2012. With generous rounding maybe they started dating around the start of 2007. Ami was born in August 2005. So unless they were doing "hand stuff" for years before dating, Kyoto has to take place well after Ami was born.

Also, check out Akira's shadow here. That's his adult hair, though maybe it's supposed to be an older teen model that we haven't seen yet.

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A couple other weird things I noticed on rewatch:
Sekai is literally driving past the Windows XP wallpaper

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At the train station, the faceless bystanders aren't the usual Koikatsu silhouettes. Instead they look an awful lot like an army of Kenjis.

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So this could all be a Selebus slip-up, but until he acknowledges it or fixes it in a future update I'm going to assume that it's intentional. Here are the possible explanations I see:

• It's a second pregnancy. I agree this one is unlikely because Sekai would have brought Ami or at least explained why she wasn't there.
• "Kyoto" is fake or from an alternate timeline. I think I lean toward this one because of the other weird stuff.
• Akira's history with the Nakayamas is fake.
• Ami is fake.

Kyoto takes place roughly a year before Ami was born, which would make Akira around 12, and Niki around 10. Nevermind that a 12 and a 10 year old are having 69s before even becoming boyfriend/girlfriend.

Niki was born in March 1991 (she's 29) and Ami was born in August 2005 (she was seven when the accident happened). Niki would have been 13 when Ami was conceived and 14 when she was born.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I don't think anyone has talked about it yet, and if they have, I apologize for not having seen it, but anyway, Akira is currently in the timeline of the first Halloween where many bad things haven't happened yet, and he also has Maya Prime there in that moment in time, will he really want to return to the main timeline if he gets the chance?

Of the 4 people who traveled to the alternative/past timelines he is the only one who could have done well with it if he thinks about it because a lot of bad things didn't happen, so he has a high chance of wanting to stay there.

 

[DeanNoriko]

I think you're attributing someone else's theory to me.

I don't think we're in different timelines. I think they're witnessing a memory of past parties within the reset itself, and they need to navigate to the school rooftop to finish the journey.

Because of this, they might witness things they didn't during the actual party -- for example, Maya might walk in on Akira and Molly, but they're not actually travelling through time. This is all just reset fuckery.

You're right, I misread one of your previous posts, apologies.

I am not yet convinced though that those are merely memories. And I also don't necessarily think they are time traveling per se. Just slipping to different planes.

Spoiler: This is what I think is going on

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[Dc345]

Something I should mention is Sel is purposely naming the "0.45" spoilers "0.44 ." Whether he is treating 0.45 as 0.44 Part 2 is beyond me. But its interesting nonetheless.

Spoiler: SOMANYBEANSLEBUS

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[Jeraviel]

Spoiler: End of update

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Sorry for the word salad that become more incoherent as I went on, my head hurts too much and I can't really make sense of what happened and what is going to happen.

Spoiler: Extra: Good x

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[Moonflare]

Something I should mention is Sel is purposely naming the "0.45" spoilers "0.44 ." Whether he is treating 0.45 as 0.44 Part 2 is beyond me. But its interesting nonetheless.

Spoiler: SOMANYBEANSLEBUS

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at the end of infinity house, this appears:

Spoiler: Infinity house

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Why do I bring this point? Well, after this, which is the 7th event - we have Tsuneyo's event, which reverts back to not having happened. Then a bit later we have another event with RAS talking, which reverts back to not having happened. Then Nao-chan sends Akira over to 22. Then when he comes back everything Sensei-quest happens, including Kyoto, and when he's "out", they're out dispersed through time.

Would it be too absurd for them to still be in the reset? More importantly, why does it become dangerous to save beyond so early in the build? Before everything of note happens? Now, on both my posts about the update I totally ignored this, but given the Selebus evidence maybe it really means something?

Edit: btw this is hidden on replay because what a great artistic vision, Selebus.

 

[barglenarglezous]

What arguments would support my theory though?
The fact that the situations are clearly different. Someone already provided screenshots, comparing one of the Halloween events that happened with this new scenario and people were in different positions, talking about different things. If those were actual memories, it would be very easy for Sel to make this clear and copy the position of all characters and the dialogues 1:1 from the past events, yet it was deliberately chosen to differ slightly.
I also don't think this is typical reset fuckery, as the situations they landed in seemed fairly normal, with seemingly nothing too supernatural or weird going on.

I can't put any real stock in the timeline being wholly different because people were standing in different spots or Ayane told a joke she didn't tell in the original scene. People move around at parties, and there are moments during the party where we don't see what's going on in the main room -- and there are multiple conversations happening at the same time iwthin that room and we're only being shown the relevant ones. We aren't shown every waking moment of Sensei's day, either, so just because we didn't see Ayane rehearsing her routine doesn't mean it didn't happen, and it doesn't even mean Akira wasn't present for it.

Further -- we've gotten no real confirmation that the reset has ended. Which means it is most likely that none of this is real.

 

[Moonflare]

Spoiler: 0.44

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Spoiler: highlights

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I think it was a good update in many ways, the last one was so mid I barely remember it tbh. Now to wait on Himawari's plan coming true.

 

[AkiraRegalia]

Nao-chan: Has him have wholesome consensual pet-play sex with Kaori and Good/True Sekai, atop the roof as the world ends.

If I catch Nao-chan alone it won't be so wholesome consensual anymore

 

[Martogor]

The explanation is that Selebus added a line about Noriko that shouldn't have been there. The scene is about Niki and Akira getting interrupted by her mom. There should be no Noriko mention, but he chose to add it anyway and that was a mistake, because Noriko was a toddler.

Spoiler: Kyoto

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I don't care if Noriko is 2, 3 or 4. It just makes absolutely no sense for a 4 year old to try to constantly sneak in on her sister and her boyfriend. And she's obviously not 4 if Ami hasn't been born. More likely she's at most 2, and how does a 2 year old sneak in anywhere? She would have been with her mom.

My take is that Selebus went from "Noriko always tried to hang around Akira when he visited their home", and yes, that tracks. But do you want to get into even more of a mistake? During the first flashback we get, which is supposed to be about Niki and Akira's first kiss, Noriko is also mentioned as trying to hang around him.

Spoiler: Spotless mind

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Spoiler: Me without you

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In spotless mind, Niki and Akira are even younger, haven't kissed yet, and yet Noriko is "some kid", not a toddler, not an infant, a kid. That would make her 4-5 years older than Ami at least. in fact, if she's already a kid when both of them were kids, when they get to Kyoto, she'd be even older.

So I can see two ways to explain this: Selebus is a big dumb dumb regarding Noriko's age. Or they don't actually exist. Now, calm down, it has been theorized that they really don't exist:

Spoiler: Ad meliora

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At the same way, the fact that Noriko wasn't one of the original characters to LiL (to my knowledge), could have messed things up slightly that Selebus just got his timeline wrong.

I think all the timeline if messed up with the Nakayama sisters

Spoiler: Tour of memories

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Pdst: Hi, first time commenting here sorry for my bad english

 

[fdsasdf_p]

OK, I've made a timeline draft due to the recent mass confusion regarding Noriko's presence in Kyoto.

Some disclaimers are:
1. This timeline is constructed under the assumption that there is no time fuckery or developer oversight or any other shenanigan. I.e., assuming everything shown is from a linear timeline and Selly did not fuck up at all.
(not that I don't think it's impossible. It's just those two possibilities are the absolute trump cards that overrule literally every argument without needing much reasoning. If there is a way to fit things into one flawless linear path then it'd be my go-to until it can no longer be done)

2. I try using ONLY "what's written in the textbox" as the sole determinant, avoiding judging ages based off character models (unless a vastly different model is used), or using conjectures from the conversation no matter how logical they might be.
As in, ONLY using "what is stated here".

3. Following up, "what is stated here" is regarded as absolutely factual without considering the chances of the characters lying unless it is VERY overt.
(this is to avoid rabbit holes like "your evidences are lying while mine are not!")

4. Other events not within the window between Noriko's birth year and the year of The Accident are omitted, with the exception of Present that serves as a reference point.

For me, the confusion that I got is probably due to the fact that there exist only two character models in the game, and the teen version only represents "time during the past" as a broad stroke and will not reflect on "when exactly". For example, if you are willing to believe this timeline draft, that means Niki was in her 20 during Kyoto and she looked almost identical to the Niki when she was 14.

In addition, if one depends too much on character models to place a scene on the timeline, the following scene will make absolutely no sense whether you agree with this timeline or not.

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Again the purpose is not meant for defending Selly. This is to, if it's at all possible, fit everything together in the simplest way. Let me know if I screw up somewhere.