Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[Papa Is My Name]

btw is it just me or the ages of this charcters are all BS for example in a happy time we see

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and in that same scene we see amy and maya who look like they are 6-8 and sensei who looks like 14-15
but the game says that sensei is 31 and at some point says that the girl are freshman

 

[Deleted member 382758]

Selebus: "If you had a child tomorrow, that child would be able to read at a pretty ok level by the time LIL is done"

I'm in the middle of my second replay now, and have started categorizing all the non-filler events and various quotes to try and guess what is going to happen/find esoterica/because I'm weird and the topic (purpose, the worth of humanity and life) is what I think about very often.

So, I like the game. Alot. But I'm not an ass kisser.

That... really doesn't sound like a good idea.

I really like steak. 20 pounds of steak to put in my fridge sounds great. Hell, maybe even 200 pounds if there is room...

But 20,000 pounds?.... that sounds like more than I could ever consume, much less derive novelty or pleasure from.

That's how I feel about this.

Only way it makes sense if he means a LIL MCU, basically. That would still be hard to keep going so long and not be bastardized and trite but that is at least theoretically tenable, especially with breaks and especially if he is somehow able to scale it in a multimedia sense with different properties and different formats under one umbrella.

Like the big Japanese visual novels and their various adaptations.

(PS- again, this is not 'hate', just trying to provide feedback as all fandoms become more yes-man-ish over time, to their eventual detriment. They are micro societies in that way...)

 

[moodle]

won't be really cool if the nsfw and the sfw actually be different and have different routes and paths from one another?

At that point Selebus would just be working on two games in parallel instead of one game, which would slow down development tremendously. No thanks.

didn't maya said at some point that the sensei in the past in this sensei are the same?

Yeah, but we don't know if that means that every single Sensei she's ever seen has been the real Sensei, or if some of them were "fake" Senseis like she thought we were at the start of the game. The metaphysics of what happens when Sensei resets haven't been clearly established.

btw is it just me or the ages of this charcters are all BS for example in a happy time we see

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and in that same scene we see amy and maya who look like they are 6-8 and sensei who looks like 14-15
but the game says that sensei is 31 and at some point says that the girl are freshman

That happy scene is almost certainly not literal history. Most of the happy scenes are heavily symbolic, dreamlike events that clearly have relevance to real things that literally happened, but where it is ambiguous how much of what we're seeing is real, how much is imagined, and how much is meant to represent other things.

That said, the game timeline is pretty consistent. Sensei is 31, he and Niki dated for five years including when they were in high school, the accident happened eight years ago, Ami was seven at the time, she's a high school freshman now. All of that lines up if you sit down and work it out.

(By the way, it's generally considered better form to edit pre-existing posts rather than make four posts in a row in within minutes of one another.)

 

[Deleted member 1697433]

That... really doesn't sound like a good idea.

My favorite thing about people saying my ideas aren't good is executing them anyway and proving everyone wrong.

LiL will be not only the longest visual novel ever made, but has the potential to be the longest fictional work of all time if it continues for several more years at this rate, which it will.

How can it last that long? Because it's not just one linear story. It's over 30 of them being developed simultaneously.
Every character will have a standalone game's worth of content by the end, because that is what they deserve.

I don't care about whether or not you or anyone else thinks that's a bad idea. I am going to do it anyway, and I am going to succeed. And anyone who gets bored is able to hop off the train whenever they want as there are plenty of other passengers lining up to buy tickets for the ride.

 

[Deleted member 382758]

"My favorite thing about people saying my ideas aren't good is executing them anyway and proving everyone wrong."

The thing is- a pattern is true until it isn't.

That's what makes life hard to navigate (besides all the death and suffering, as you are keenly aware) and why hubris is the great folly of man.

I wouldn't have been one of those people to tell you LIL was impossible, or had no audience. I don't know why anyone would think that after the phenom that was DDLC.

But I am telling you that uh... unless there is a very good reason for it to take that long then making the game so much longer and making the game better will eventually become opposing ends. Especially with your volume of output.

I mean- watching girls break down 100 times could be poignant, and could reflect something different each time.
But 1000 times?
That's the problem. How many assets even are there for Koikatsu?
How many meaningful plotlines are even possible with this scenario? 30 girls or not it doesnt really matter, at least to me, if all the content starts getting repeated. Frankly, I have real life for that.

I just don't see it, and I'm not a hater or
'one of those people that didn't believe in you' or anything else ; that's just my opinion and I believe that it is worth consideration of...

In any case, if you are sure you have that much to say about your girls and the world (and 'the world'... and our irl world... and whatever else) then by all means go ahead. Otherwise you will be watering down your own creation, and the lightning will escape the bottle.

I wish you luck and success in all your endeavors.

 

[Deleted member 1697433]

I mean- watching girls break down 100 times could be poignant, and could reflect something different each time.
But 1000 times?

You are severely underestimating me if you think that is all that is in store for the future of this game.

 

[Raf-Raf]

<Everyone talking about the plot>

I'm just here for the smut...

 

[Xantoser]

Sulebes -> I don't know if you successfully reach your goal but I admire that you stick to intended plan and concept.
BTW. I really like slow pacing of this game and I am very glad that you are going to rewrite a beginning which, in my opinion, is rushed for some girls.
I wish you luck.

 

[Deleted member 382758]

"You are severely underestimating me if you think that is all that is in store for the future of this game."

Heh.
Do your worst.

I will wait with excitement.

 

[Lolicon Kami]

sounds like a wast of effort and well time but what ever

lol. You think it's a waste when it's gonna make over $9,000 dollars per month?

 

[jjjjj1076701]

My favorite thing about people saying my ideas aren't good is executing them anyway and proving everyone wrong.

LiL will be not only the longest visual novel ever made, but has the potential to be the longest fictional work of all time if it continues for several more years at this rate, which it will.

How can it last that long? Because it's not just one linear story. It's over 30 of them being developed simultaneously.
Every character will have a standalone game's worth of content by the end, because that is what they deserve.

I don't care about whether or not you or anyone else thinks that's a bad idea. I am going to do it anyway, and I am going to succeed. And anyone who gets bored is able to hop off the train whenever they want as there are plenty of other passengers lining up to buy tickets for the ride.

That's quite a statement. I'm interested in seeing how this plays out, that being said, be careful of burnout and good luck.

 

[chickenmaid]

If the game is going to be that long, skipping take an hour (and more onwards) to get to updated content if you know what you're doing. I recommend that the repetitiveness is cut down and offer some more story direction for casual players. And have an option for the player to directly skip to certain arcs.

 

[PrimeGuy]

I love this game because I adore the girls. Even the ones who draw the most hate in discussion have their moments that make me adore them. I am terrified, absolutely terrified, of where this journey will take them.

Waiting for more Molly content is killing me. Molly's had it so rough lately for various reasons, and I find her precious. From the update map, it looks like I might be waiting for May, or June, unless I'm lucky and the Christmas update does something about it.

None of this is a complaint. It's just a scream into the void to stave off the insanity another day.

The plan for ridiculous amounts of content in the end is understandable, to me, based on what I understand of it. I believe the intention is to go through ending 1 - the original 'harem' (or maybe better described as 'gotta fuck 'em all') ending that probably is going to be a train wreck. Then you get to start on "purity" endings for each girl - meaning you're basically starting over again, but now the story is different. Then once you've done all those, there's a final 'true' ending once you restart again for the umpteenth time. I am in no way in the developer's confidence, nor am I privy to his plan, this is just what I've gleaned from past conversations on this site, so I could be entirely off. Or there could be even more steps I don't know about to get to the "true" ending. Either way, I can see how there's a lot to write to make anything similar to what I just said happen.

 

[EllisL4D2]

I love this game because I adore the girls. Even the ones who draw the most hate in discussion have their moments that make me adore them. I am terrified, absolutely terrified, of where this journey will take them.

Waiting for more Molly content is killing me. Molly's had it so rough lately for various reasons, and I find her precious. From the update map, it looks like I might be waiting for May, or June, unless I'm lucky and the Christmas update does something about it.

None of this is a complaint. It's just a scream into the void to stave off the insanity another day.

The plan for ridiculous amounts of content in the end is understandable, to me, based on what I understand of it. I believe the intention is to go through ending 1 - the original 'harem' (or maybe better described as 'gotta fuck 'em all') ending that probably is going to be a train wreck. Then you get to start on "purity" endings for each girl - meaning you're basically starting over again, but now the story is different. Then once you've done all those, there's a final 'true' ending once you restart again for the umpteenth time. I am in no way in the developer's confidence, nor am I privy to his plan, this is just what I've gleaned from past conversations on this site, so I could be entirely off. Or there could be even more steps I don't know about to get to the "true" ending. Either way, I can see how there's a lot to write to make anything similar to what I just said happen.

Yeah, I agree heavily with your point. However, what do you mean by purity endings? And there's a different purity ending for each girl? That's like.. 20 endings right there.

 

[Lolicon Kami]

Yeah, I agree heavily with your point. However, what do you mean by purity endings? And there's a different purity ending for each girl? That's like.. 20 endings right there.

Hence why this visual novel may grow to become the longest piece of literature ever written. Also, more than 20 endings as at least one (and maybe all??) side characters will receive purity routes too (according to Selebus).

Also, there's gonna be a LSD-infused-hellscape "dark route" as well

None of this is happening any time soon, I assume though

 

[EllisL4D2]

Hence why this visual novel may grow to become the longest piece of literature ever written. Also, more than 20 endings as at least one (and maybe all??) side characters will receive purity routes too (according to Selebus).

Also, there's gonna be a LSD-infused-hellscape "dark route" as well

None of this is happening any time soon, I assume though

What do they mean by purity routes though? I'm slightly oblivious so I have no clue what that really means.

 

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Can anyone tag me and explain why there's a sex and non-sex version? To me, it's very strange.

 

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Can anyone tag me and explain why there's a sex and non-sex version? To me, it's very strange.

The reason the SFW version was made was to comply with Patreon's rules. The NSFW will still be updated on Subscriberstar and stuff.

 

[RPDL]

The reason the SFW version was made was to comply with Patreon's rules. The NSFW will still be updated on Subscriberstar and stuff.

Okay, how is it that they're both on different versions though?

Should I focus on only the subscribestar version for example?

 

[EllisL4D2]

Okay, how is it that they're both on different versions though?

Should I focus on only the subscribestar version for example?

The .5 is just a remake of the entire game, stuff are different but the story is relatively the same (I think) just without NSFW. It'll still end where 21.0 ended.