Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.47.0] [Selebus]

[DeanNoriko]

I personally think if you include choices in your game but don't properly flesh out both options or just have them lead to the same place then you are just wasting the player's time and hurting interest in your game. The fact that any of us are still here in spite of this is a credit to Sel's writing.

I agree with your there in principal. The ideal way would be to include diverging paths but actually flesh them out and make the impact meaningful.

At the end of the day though, in doing so he would create a lot more complex weave of storylines, having to both add content to all possible branches, as well as pay more attention to any plot holes and logical errors. This in turn would increase the development time and/or decrease the quality of the writing.
Ultimately, as much as everyone likes to hate on Selly (often times for good reason), I pity any developer for having to make such a decision. He chose to do a compromise that won't fully satisfy either side. However, as explained in my earlier post, I can personally very well live with the current set-up as I feel like I receive the option to alter the story marginally to my liking/head canon, at the expense of missing some scenes and the realization that the decisions I made actually didn't factually change much to the general story (so far).

Still, I have to this day refused to even think about picking the Stomachache option, despite everyone raving about it, simply because I would rather read through 3,000 pages of Tiermaker ratings of forum members than have to be faced with what canonically (?) happened to poor Io (I am tearing up just from the thought of it).

 

[Antosha]

Ive actually talked about this before but this is Akiras unfortunate constitution as the protagonist of this world(Get cunted Nao)

Everything he touches will eventually break.Every relationship he forms will end with both people involved getting hurt beyond repair.Nothing he does will change this simple fact.Truly tragic.

I get what you're saying, but honestly? If that's really where we're headed at the very end — everything/one falls to shit, whoo-hoo! — I'm going to find that really disappointing and, if I'm honest, boring. Not tragic. Boring.

We're all on a one-way trip through a garbage chute (resets notwithstanding). But it seems to me that brief triumphs against entropy are a lot more interesting than focusing on the bleak and unavoidable.

Yes, Sensei blows things up, even when he doesn't want to. Especially when he doesn't want to. So I grant that's a kind of tragic flaw.

But if what we get at the end of X years of this long, strange trip through the dark is that, yup, Sensei blows things up.... I'll be pissed.

 

[barglenarglezous]

But if what we get at the end of X years of this long, strange trip through the dark is that, yup, Sensei blows things up.... I'll be pissed.

Blowing thiings up is the journey, not the destination. The destiantion is more likely to be the girls pulling themselves back together after Akira blows out their backs. I mean blows their minds. Jesus fuck, not that. I mean blows up their lives.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Even though the update is more than halfway complete its been kinda slow in terms of previews and what not. But on the bright side we get to see Touka's bare breasts in game for the first time. And Yasu's too I suppose.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Now on a totally different note (I want to avoid double posting), I randomly listened to a song earlier today which lyrics immediately made me think of this game. This might have already been discussed in the past, but have you guys ever made this experience?

I experienced something similar to this but it probably isn't what you're thinking.

My wife was watching youtube in the living room, and out of nowhere I started hearing one of Sharou's songs coming from her general direction; fucking Sharou! (iirc it was this one

You must be registered to see the links

but I might've confused it with this artist's other songs).

Reasonably, I spilled my tea and immediately went into panic, thinking that she figured me out or worse, she played this shit too. But turned out it really was just a random youtube clip using it as BGM and it had nothing to do with LiL (the audacity!)

 

[Ma1phas]

I get what you're saying, but honestly? If that's really where we're headed at the very end — everything/one falls to shit, whoo-hoo! — I'm going to find that really disappointing and, if I'm honest, boring. Not tragic. Boring.

We're all on a one-way trip through a garbage chute (resets notwithstanding). But it seems to me that brief triumphs against entropy are a lot more interesting than focusing on the bleak and unavoidable.

Yes, Sensei blows things up, even when he doesn't want to. Especially when he doesn't want to. So I grant that's a kind of tragic flaw.

But if what we get at the end of X years of this long, strange trip through the dark is that, yup, Sensei blows things up.... I'll be pissed.

Agreed. We're more than a decade into a social obsession with everything being deconstructions of happy things, and avoiding good ends in favor of downer ends no matter what anyone does, or at best bittersweet.
It's boring. It's not clever, original, or good writing. It's boring. And maybe you could say the same of the traditional hero's journey, but at least people actually like the triumph at the end.
Struggle, fail and die is as played out and boring as "what if superman but evil?"

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Even though the update is more than halfway complete its been kinda slow in terms of previews and what not. But on the bright side we get to see Touka's bare breasts in game for the first time. And Yasu's too I suppose.

Long have I waited for this moment…

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[Detective Dc345]

I experienced something similar to this but it probably isn't what you're thinking.

My wife was watching youtube in the living room, and out of nowhere I started hearing one of Sharou's songs coming from her general direction; fucking Sharou! (iirc it was this one

You must be registered to see the links

but I might've confused it with this artist's other songs).

Reasonably, I spilled my tea and immediately went into panic, thinking that she figured me out or worse, she played this shit too. But turned out it really was just a random youtube clip using it as BGM and it had nothing to do with LiL (the audacity!)
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"Honey have you heard of this game called Lessons in Love?"
"Also what's the "Word of The Day?"

 

[sirpoff]

Hi, I was wondering if there has been any discussion on the moons? I'm asking cause I was replaying the beach event with Sana where all 3 moons show up and noticed the moon's image is the backside of the moon, not the front. Do you think Sel purposely chose the backside of the moon for a reason or not?

 

[Moonflare]

"Honey have you heard of this game called Lessons in Love?"

Time slows down to a crawl and a familiar voice sounds inside of your head: "Forget everything you know about love. Forget everything you know about her. You already made your choice. I told you to stop playing the game".

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

You know, I expect Selebus being arrested for creating LiL
Sooner or later it will happen

 

[Riolol]

You know, I expect Selebus being arrested for creating LiL
Sooner or later it will happen

As long as it's for the puzzles and not the wizard stuff.

 

[barglenarglezous]

As long as it's for the puzzles and not the wizard stuff.

It's only a matter of time before Texas gets around to suing Patreon, Subscribestar, Itch.io, and other sites that host or distribute these games the way they did PornHub.

 

[Detective Dc345]

You know, I expect Selebus being arrested for creating LiL
Sooner or later it will happen

Unless Sel is like the creator of [redacted] and catches some major charges I doubt it.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Unless Sel is like the creator of [redacted] and catches some major charges I doubt it.

Or the laws change from their current state.

If a certain think tank gets their way, the laws will absolutely change.

 

[Apollo259]

I experienced something similar to this but it probably isn't what you're thinking.

My wife was watching youtube in the living room, and out of nowhere I started hearing one of Sharou's songs coming from her general direction; fucking Sharou! (iirc it was this one

You must be registered to see the links

but I might've confused it with this artist's other songs).

Reasonably, I spilled my tea and immediately went into panic, thinking that she figured me out or worse, she played this shit too. But turned out it really was just a random youtube clip using it as BGM and it had nothing to do with LiL (the audacity!)
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I had a similar thing last year. I was in Japan, walking around somewhere in Kanazawa (near Katamachi maybe) and I started to hear "beyondthewayoftime.mp3" (ピアノ39『時の道を越えて』) playing in the distance. I thought to myself "Well, it looks like I have finally gone insane and I'm hearing a lil song in my head". Then I decided to walk towards it to find out if I was in fact going insane or not. Turned out it was playing over a department store/mall PA system for some reason. I guess it must be royalty free background music and maybe they played it at midday or a set time every day.

 

[ElaineZol]

You know, I expect Selebus being arrested for creating LiL
Sooner or later it will happen

That is something I've been wondering for quite a while, I am not American so I'm not sure how the law treats it, but it's not like his content is a secret considering he is on Twitter and other stuff where people can make connections, and the game does contain more than talks about wizard stuff, there are literal drawings and shit about it.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

That is something I've been wondering for quite a while, I am not American so I'm not sure how the law treats it, but it's not like his content is a secret considering he is on Twitter and other stuff where people can make connections, and the game does contain more than talks about wizard stuff, there are literal drawings and shit about it.

There already IS wizard content if you consider care packages

 

[Comiies]

There already IS wizard content if you consider care packages

Never actually used those.Having my save fucked over is too much of a pain.What do they have? Also they arent cannon right?

 

[Moonflare]

Never actually used those.Having my save fucked over is too much of a pain.What do they have? Also they arent cannon right?

Just adult Miku having sex with a bunch of wizards (wizard content wise).The care packages themselves have some interesting stuff, like adult Maya being adorable, Uta and Io throuple, and adult Chinami cucking both Tsukasa and Chika).

And no, they are not canon. As for wizard content, there are flashbacks of Sekai with kid Akira on the main game.

It's likely that we'll have it with wizard Maya at some point as well. Tbh if Selebus is ever going to do wizard content (which it seems like where this is going with Tsukasa), it would make a lot of sense to do it via flashback with Maya first, since it would soften the blow on his audience somewhat.

There is also the phone message with wizard Uta.