Pedro4545454

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Sure, so her mum would be pregnant at that time, just one month and three days further along than Sekai.

What I tried to get at was that this event could be a deliberate attempt to mislead us from Selebus. Of course it could also be a plothole or a hint at multiple timelines or whatever.

Just that there is, I think, potentially also a simpler answer.
What we can consider is that Ami and Noriko may have 1 year and 1 month and 3 days of age difference so Noriko is at least alive in that part of the game, BUT I don't think even Selly would make Noriko 1 year old spying on Niki and Akira
 

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Des anyone know how to get a lot of PREMIUM CURRENCY in the Sansei quest?
The fastest way in-game is to kill Metal Slimes. It's still a tedious grind to get the 2 million (and they aren't sex scenes, just joke text).

The actual fastest way would be to use URM (linked in several regular's sig files) or any available ren'py save editor to set the PCur variable to whatever you need it to be.
 

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What we can consider is that Ami and Noriko may have 1 year and 1 month and 3 days of age difference so Noriko is at least alive in that part of the game, BUT I don't think even Selly would make Noriko 1 year old spying on Niki and Akira
Yeah, that's why I think that the event was a mix of three different things and part 2 (where Ami is a unborn child) happened years before part 1.

I mean Sel loves to mess with his audience.

Also, I think that Noriko was at least two years old, but probably older. Younger kids generally don't spy on people or act in the way that was described in events that must have happened before the scene in part 1 of the Kyoto event.
 
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Yeah, that's why I think that the event was a mix of three different things and part 2 (where Ami is a unborn child) happened years before part 1.

I mean Sel loves to mess with his audience.

Also, I think that Noriko was at least two years old, but probably older. Younger kids generally don't spy on people or act in the way that was described in events that must have happened before the scene in part 1 of the Kyoto event.
I genuinely don't even know if I prefer this to be canon, I hope it's just an error and that it's fixed, this is really messing with my head, I'm rereading some events trying to see if we miscalculated something in the timeline, but No, it just seems like it was an error. I at least hope that if it's a real part of the game I hope Selly somehow explains why this made the timeline more complicated than it already is.

Your theory makes sense that the first part with Niki and Akira is something that happened a few days or weeks after Akira and Sekai's conversation, as you said, Selly likes to play with our heads.
 

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It's kind of insane how much absurd psychoanalysis people will unload on you simply because you want a game to be negative in experience as well as content sometimes. As if making people grind for SENSEI QUEST is the greatest affront known to man and makes you an irritable miser. People should be more appreciative of Selebus's openness. What comes off as ego is in fact a willingness to engage in open dialogue. Most authors will think their readers are retarded but keep it to themselves and try to manipulate them with faux friendliness like every corporation out there. It SHOULD be a breath of fresh air to have an auteur openly argue about their ideas and put them to the test - they say only the best friends fight on a rooftop and smile about it after. It's really not Selebus's fault that 4 years and 10000 posts later people are still too close-minded to accept any video game experience that doesn't fellate them from start to finish. (And my God if another teenager tries to talk about how epicly oppressive Elden "Most Popular Game of all time in which you can easily grind to overlevel enemies and summon help for any minorly challenging boss" Ring is I'll choke on my laughter and die. So kill me if you dare.)
> It's kind of insane how much absurd psychoanalysis people will unload on you simply because you want a game to be negative in experience as well as content sometimes.

"Spending years thinking about depressing shit 24/7 might make a person depressed" == "absurd psychoanalysis"?

I remember when the game was first coming out, he said as much on the discord - that he found it very emotionally draining to write certain scenes like Rin's manic episodes and felt like some of the characters were "daughters" to him and honestly, back then the game didn't have nearly as much fucked up content as it does these days

> As if making people grind for SENSEI QUEST is the greatest affront known to man and makes you an irritable miser

I didn't say a thing about Sensei Quest or the grind. I do not care about the grind because I am skipping it :)

When I'm referring to him as insufferable, I'm talking about how he treats people on his discord: he's just a dickhead at times

> Most authors will think their readers are retarded but keep it to themselves and try to manipulate them with faux friendliness like every corporation out there. It SHOULD be a breath of fresh air to have an auteur openly argue about their ideas and put them to the test - they say only the best friends fight on a rooftop and smile about it after

You're missing the point: it's not the fact that he argues, but rather the manner in which he does so, if you want to even call it "argument". I think you're referring to argument in the idealized sense of philosophical debate - that is not what he engages in
 

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Going off topic and not going off topic at the same time, Niki was super cool with the idea of Noriko at a very young age spying on her giving Akira a handjob, and from what she said, Noriko has already done this several times before and at least Anyway, Niki lets this happen without caring.

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Another detail, even though Niki was ok with the idea of Noriko seeing her having sex with Akira even though it was her first time with him, she asked Akira about the condoms to see if he would finally want to do it with her, but she She says this thinking that Noriko is there spying on the two of them, this shows that she was ok with having sex with Akira in front of Noriko hidden.
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Another detail, Niki calls Akira her friend even while they are alone, showing that they are not dating yet, but they already did sexual things with each other and she was already willing to have sex with him even though he was just a "friend" of hers, an additional detail is that she has been trying to have sex with Akira for 1 year, but he always refuses.

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I genuinely don't even know if I prefer this to be canon, I hope it's just an error and that it's fixed, this is really messing with my head, I'm rereading some events trying to see if we miscalculated something in the timeline, but No, it just seems like it was an error. I at least hope that if it's a real part of the game I hope Selly somehow explains why this made the timeline more complicated than it already is.

Your theory makes sense that the first part with Niki and Akira is something that happened a few days or weeks after Akira and Sekai's conversation, as you said, Selly likes to play with our heads.
Sure, it could actually be way more complicated, with splitting and converging timelines going back to Yuu's era. So Sekai and Nozomu might be (sort of) half-siblings from parallel timelines.
Or Sel was inspired by the backstory of the School/Summer/Shiny Days games...

Ami not being real and Akira having falsified memories could also make sense. After all she should have known Noriko and Maya from when they got their tutoring (even if she wasn't smart enough to join their lessons or whatever). Also a seven year old taking care of herself and an adult is a bit of a stretch (maybe not impossible, but still very unlikely).

But one thing I have got to give Sel, he manages to keep his story interesting even after all that time.
 
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> It's kind of insane how much absurd psychoanalysis people will unload on you simply because you want a game to be negative in experience as well as content sometimes.

"Spending years thinking about depressing shit 24/7 might make a person depressed" == "absurd psychoanalysis"?

I remember when the game was first coming out, he said as much on the discord - that he found it very emotionally draining to write certain scenes like Rin's manic episodes and felt like some of the characters were "daughters" to him and honestly, back then the game didn't have nearly as much fucked up content as it does these days

> As if making people grind for SENSEI QUEST is the greatest affront known to man and makes you an irritable miser

I didn't say a thing about Sensei Quest or the grind. I do not care about the grind because I am skipping it :)

When I'm referring to him as insufferable, I'm talking about how he treats people on his discord: he's just a dickhead at times

> Most authors will think their readers are retarded but keep it to themselves and try to manipulate them with faux friendliness like every corporation out there. It SHOULD be a breath of fresh air to have an auteur openly argue about their ideas and put them to the test - they say only the best friends fight on a rooftop and smile about it after

You're missing the point: it's not the fact that he argues, but rather the manner in which he does so, if you want to even call it "argument". I think you're referring to argument in the idealized sense of philosophical debate - that is not what he engages in
Yeah, absurd psychoanalysis. Minds are infinite in their complexity and motives are infinite in their arbitrariness. Going around making absent-minded theories as to the inner workings of someone's mind and explaining behavior in a way convenient to you is pretty absurd. If you did that to people in real life they'd punch you in the face or otherwise ostracize you. Ever heard of the fundamental attribution error? It's a bias in which people observing others explain behavior by identifying them as "fundamental attributes," like someone kicking a vending machine to get a drink is just "an angry person" and that's why they're kicking the machine. Whereas if they are the one kicking the machine they instead explain it with momentary or circumstantial reasons, like, "I'm not an angry person today is just a bad day." The position that authors are in is one where thousands of readers are constantly psycho-analyzing them and reading into statements and assigning them fundamental attributes to explain any given act of behavior. That is more depressing than anything. And so far from Selebus being a particular misanthrope in this regard, it's weird people online being weird but not getting the normal social rebukes since it's the internet.

> I'm talking about how he treats people on his discord: he's just a dickhead at times

I would be much more offended by an author lying to my face and talking circles around me to extract more income than one being frank and honest even if their honest opinion happens to be a hostile one. Seriously, why do people bemoan dishonesty so much but then react with such violent negativity to actual honesty when they come across it? Really says a lot.

> I think you're referring to argument in the idealized sense of philosophical debate - that is not what he engages in

Almost nobody engages in idealized philosophical debate. It's too hard for people. Their minds are too inflexible and focused on arguing against what instinctively feels wrong to them rather than searching for a deeper truth. The litany of Tarski is a rare and forgotten song. Ergo, I don't see any reason to demean Selebus's aggressive manner of argumentation. People are, indeed, fragile things, and it is the case that any ounce of hostility can shatter fragile hearts. But one concerned about and focusing all of their dialogue on not upsetting anyone will likely not be able to find themselves honestly speaking about anything. If some shattered hearts are what it takes for honesty I will take it. And those who can't handle it are indeed free to hide away out of side while bemoaning what a meanie someone was to them.
 

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Pretty sure that was not mistake. Sel is very meticulous down to the smallest details, if he messed up, it would be in a less obvious place. What did Noriko and Maya agree on? Why couldn't Noriko leave her old district?
 

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Going off topic and not going off topic at the same time, Niki was super cool with the idea of Noriko at a very young age spying on her giving Akira a handjob, and from what she said, Noriko has already done this several times before and at least Anyway, Niki lets this happen without caring.

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Another detail, even though Niki was ok with the idea of Noriko seeing her having sex with Akira even though it was her first time with him, she asked Akira about the condoms to see if he would finally want to do it with her, but she She says this thinking that Noriko is there spying on the two of them, this shows that she was ok with having sex with Akira in front of Noriko hidden.
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Another detail, Niki calls Akira her friend even while they are alone, showing that they are not dating yet, but they already did sexual things with each other and she was already willing to have sex with him even though he was just a "friend" of hers, an additional detail is that she has been trying to have sex with Akira for 1 year, but he always refuses.

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Everything starts to make less sense the more I think about it.

Why would he even steal condoms in the first place, if he doesn't want to do anything?

And them calling each other just friends, I don't know what to make of that.
 
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Everything starts to make less sense the more I think about it.

Why would he even steal condoms in the first place, if he doesn't want to do anything?
hahaha, now I'm thinking about it, firstly she asks if he still has the condoms, which means she knows he might not have them, which means she might think he threw them away or used them, secondly why would Akira be carrying condoms with him and showing them to Niki when he had already been refusing to have sex with her for 1 years? third: Why did Selly make this event so confusing in this part of Niki?
 
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Little late, but just to add to the timeline stuff:

Noriko was already following Sensei around when she was 3:
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Wizards are mostly supergeniuses who are seemingly inherently attracted towards Sensei in Kumon-mi, so I wouldn't be too surprised if Noriko was bothering Niki and Sensei as an infant...

Noriko is confirmed to be 16 at the start:
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According to the Care Packages. (Ayane is 15, and Kaori is 22, so it's likely referring to their ages at the start of Chapter 1) Ami should be only around a month younger than Noriko and has a bday early in Chapter 1, meaning she's more or less 16 for most of the game. (The game itself seemingly starting in August. Ami's birth month.)

So, Ami and Noriko were probably born in July and August 2004 since they turn 16 in 2020.

This would mean Sekai and Mama Nakayama were knocked up in 2003, which is when 'Kyoto' should be taking place if Sekai is recently pregnant with Ami.

The Accident happens when Ami is 7 (assuming Sensei isn't rounding):
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So it could be as early as 2011, and up to 9 years ago which is probably why Niki compares it to almost a decade:
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The last 8 years part probably wasn't counting this year:
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Overall: That timeline might be around a year off, but it should be around those time periods when things happened, eitherway.

Except for Kyoto, since it simply doesn't fit if Sekai was just now pregnant with Ami, with Noriko already around, even though she should still be in her mother's womb.

Edit: Unless this 'Kyoto' Happy Event is meant to be some kind of confirmation that Ami is actually around a year younger than everyone, like Rin, and just no one is aware of it. Which could also explain her physical development, if time itself isn't simply deaging Ami to fit Sensei's taboo preference, retroactively, or some crap.
This is a pretty minor point, but it's nice to nail down the timeline: I don't think the accident could have happened in 2011. In "Dear You", which takes place sometime between Halloween and Christmas in Chapter 2, Niki says that it's been eight years since they've done anything sexual.
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If the accident was in 2011, it would have been more than nine years ago.

Unless Selebus messed something up, it looks like Ami is a year and a bit younger than Noriko (thanks for pointing out her age in the care package). I have no idea how it works in Japan (Selebus might not either), but in the US it's not unusual for kids with summer birthdays a year apart to be in the same class since their parents decide which year to enroll them in. Which would mean Ami doesn't have to be bumped up a year like Rin was.

But yeah, still doesn't work for Kyoto, Noriko is not a baby crawling around from the way they talk about her. And if the Noriko mention in Kyoto is an error, then so is the one in Spotless Mind since that would have to take place before Kyoto.
 

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Look at this screenshot.
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There is a real chance none of these people exist :ROFLMAO:
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In fact, only Niki may not exist. Maya was spoken of as something that shouldn't exist. She exists, but she is an Error, which means that she exists but she shouldn't, what makes her exist. Sekai's spirit is a god/spirit which makes her exist as a new existence that is not human, This Sekai spirit is the manifestation of fears and the way the traumatized Akira saw Sekai, and since she was his world, perhaps he even considered her a goddess made this Sekai spirit/goddess exist in the world.
 

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I wonder what a lobotomized Nodoka is going to be like since she got her "wings clipped".
Who's Nodoka? [re:zero ptsd intensifies]

Edit: also, lowkey one of the best moments from Pareidolia's speech was him saying that he shares living space with other gods, and that when they try to take over, he smacks them over the head with a frying pan :ROFLMAO:

I keep imagining Wires being like "this was supposed to be my..." wham! put to sleep lol
 
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