Meskal1ne

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Will we now finally see Akira always keeping his memories of these supernatural encounters?
Dunno about Wires and Hope interactions, but he definetely remember interactions with pareidolia. From 0.38-0.40 he acts like pareidolia is Johny Silverhand in his head. "Pareidolia, teleport me out of there".
 
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I believe he always remembered them (at least some of them), but always considering them as hallucinations or weird dreams. Only recently he become more aware that these things are real
My mistake, I explained what I wanted to convey wrong, I think this way it will be better, I mean Akira keeps the memories in the sense of keeping them completely and considering them real and not allusions and not trying to forget them, yes he There are times like the time he asked Maya about Wire, or there in his dream with Maya when he talked to Hope's angels about Hope, showing that he can remember some things.

Dunno about Wires and Hope interactions, but he definetely remember interactions with pareidolia. From 0.38-0.40 he acts like pareidolia is Johny Silverhand in his head. "Pareidolia, teleport me out of there".
Yes, I know that, but Akira always treated Paredolia as if he were a mental problem/schizophrenia, only now that Paredolia explained that he was a god and the good thing is that Akira remembered that and he now also knows that kaori It's practically a hotel for the gods so now Akira has confirmation from the supernatural world, my fear is that he will try to deny himself and try to force himself to believe that everything that happened there was because of his mental reset/break.
 

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What if the Sekai portion of the Kyoto event happened (potentially years) before the earlier part with Niki.
Sekai probably picked him up from there a lot over the years, is there any indication that those two parts are from the same day?
After all there is another time jump to her funeral at the end of the event.
 

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only now that Paredolia explained that he was a god reset/break.
we know that pareidolia is third god of trinity from 3rd act? doesn't matter what knows Akira - he is shizopuppet of gods, he is completely unreliable. Matters only what player knows.
and i dont think that Akira will have more mental breakdowns in 4 act:
1. it will be boring from narration perspective
2. he is already deadinside, he dont give a f
3. hes crush is goin back in next patches as i get it.
 

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What if the Sekai portion of the Kyoto event happened (potentially years) before the earlier part with Niki.
Sekai probably picked him up from there a lot over the years, is there any indication that those two parts are from the same day?
After all there is another time jump to her funeral at the end of the event.
Very unlikely, Akira's sequence of thoughts did not change and Niki's mother warned that Sekai was outside waiting for Akira.
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Very unlikely, Akira's sequence of thoughts did not change and Niki's mother warned that Sekai was outside waiting for Akira.
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Sure, it's intended to be confusing to us. Sekai would have picked up Akira countless times. Similar situations could have happened.
There might also be another connection between these memories. Maybe Sekais death was shortly after the first part, and Akira remembered that time where they could have gotten away, before jumping to the memory of her funeral.

So basically:

1. Akira was picked up sometime in the past, Sekai wants to flee to Kyoto and reveals her pregnancy with Amy.
2. Akira subsequently gets closer to Niki (months/years) pass.
3. The first part of the event happens.
4. Sekai dies (maybe even on the same day?)
 
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Sure, it's intended to be confusing to us. Sekai would have picked up Akira countless times. Similar situations could have happened.
There might also be another connection between these memories. Maybe Sekais death was shortly after the first part, and Akira remembered that time where they could have gotten away, before jumping to the memory of her funeral.

So basically:

1. Akira was picked up sometime in the past, Sekai want's to flee to Kyoto and reveals her pregnancy with Amy.
2. Akira subsequently gets closer to Niki (months/years) pass.
3. The first part of the event happens.
4. Sekai dies (maybe even on the same day?)
This suggests that Ami is older than Noriko when Ami is younger than Noriko.
 

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This suggests that Ami is older than Noriko when Ami is younger than Noriko.
Noriko's mum could have also been pregnant at the time (or Noriko might already be born), or why do you think that wouldn't work out?

So far this seems to me the only way that events to not conflict with each other.

Of course all of this could be wrong, memories might be fabricated or from different timelines for all I know.
 
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I don't think the characters' shadows looking off/low-quality really means anything. That's likely just a limitation of the rendering engine (which I think is a real-time engine, i.e. it sacrifices quality/realism for performance). Imo the only time shadows would be meaningful is when there's like 2 characters on screen but there's a shadow of an extra character present, which I think has happened a few times

Also I've been thinking: given the content of LiL, doesn't Selebus being an insufferable person kinda check out? Not saying that it's acceptable, but rather that it's hardly surprising that spending thousands of hours per year writing and thinking about such twisted shit (for almost 4 years straight now) would make you irritable, impatient, egotistical, etc.
 
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I don't think the characters' shadows looking off/low-quality really means anything. That's likely just a limitation of the rendering engine (which I think is a real-time engine, i.e. it sacrifices quality/realism for performance). Imo the only time shadows would be meaningful is when there's like 2 characters on screen but there's a shadow of an extra character present, which I think has happened a few times

Also I've been thinking: given the content of LiL, doesn't Selebus being an insufferable person kinda check out? Not saying that it's acceptable, but rather that it's hardly surprising that spending thousands of hours per year writing and thinking about such twisted shit (for almost 4 years straight now) would make you irritable, impatient, egotistical, etc.
It's kind of insane how much absurd psychoanalysis people will unload on you simply because you want a game to be negative in experience as well as content sometimes. As if making people grind for SENSEI QUEST is the greatest affront known to man and makes you an irritable miser. People should be more appreciative of Selebus's openness. What comes off as ego is in fact a willingness to engage in open dialogue. Most authors will think their readers are retarded but keep it to themselves and try to manipulate them with faux friendliness like every corporation out there. It SHOULD be a breath of fresh air to have an auteur openly argue about their ideas and put them to the test - they say only the best friends fight on a rooftop and smile about it after. It's really not Selebus's fault that 4 years and 10000 posts later people are still too close-minded to accept any video game experience that doesn't fellate them from start to finish. (And my God if another teenager tries to talk about how epicly oppressive Elden "Most Popular Game of all time in which you can easily grind to overlevel enemies and summon help for any minorly challenging boss" Ring is I'll choke on my laughter and die. So kill me if you dare.)
 
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It's kind of insane how much absurd psychoanalysis people will unload on you simply because you want a game to be negative in experience as well as content sometimes. As if making people grind for SENSEI QUEST is the greatest affront known to man and makes you an irritable miser. People should be more appreciative of Selebus's openness. What comes off as ego is in fact a willingness to engage in open dialogue. Most authors will think their readers are retarded but keep it to themselves and try to manipulate them with faux friendliness like every corporation out there. It SHOULD be a breath of fresh air to have an auteur openly argue about their ideas and put them to the test - they say only the best friends fight on a rooftop and smile about it after. It's really not Selebus's fault that 4 years and 10000 posts later people are still too close-minded to accept any video game experience that doesn't fellate them from start to finish. (And my God if another teenager tries to talk about how epicly oppressive Elden "Most Popular Game of all time in which you can easily grind to overlevel enemies and summon help for any minorly challenging boss" Ring is I'll choke on my laughter and die. So kill me if you dare.)
Admit you fucked up the timeline Selly
 

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Noriko's mum could have also been pregnant at the time (or Noriko might already be born), or why do you think that wouldn't work out?
Ami from what I remember is 15 years old and was born on August 31st, Noriko is 16 years old (confirmed) and was born on July 28th. assuming that they were born in the same year, Noriko and Ami have a difference of 1 month and 3 days in age, it wouldn't make sense for Noriko to have been born at that point in the game, since Sekai should have a much bigger belly, since she would be 8 months pregnant to be able to make it feel like Noriko was alive and 1 month old.

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Admit you fucked up the timeline Selly
That's another thing. It's weird how quick people are to lose faith in authors at the slightest perceived error. Well, it may be one, this isn't to say authors never make mistakes, but you're really going to follow a dude's writing for years and immediately conclude there's a critical timeline error the second something doesn't add up for you? Especially in a story as fluid and dubious as LiL? Some people haven't read Subahibi and it really, really shows. I have to applaud all the theorycrafters who didn't stop there and looked for alternate explanations. Hermeneutics of suspicion are such absurdly limiting goggles to wear and yet are the default mode for people. Crazy.
 

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That's another thing. It's weird how quick people are to lose faith in authors at the slightest perceived error. Well, it may be one, this isn't to say authors never make mistakes, but you're really going to follow a dude's writing for years and immediately conclude there's a critical timeline error the second something doesn't add up for you? Especially in a story as fluid and dubious as LiL? Some people haven't read Subahibi and it really, really shows. I have to applaud all the theorycrafters who didn't stop there and looked for alternate explanations. Hermeneutics of suspicion are such absurdly limiting goggles to wear and yet are the default mode for people. Crazy.
I'm 99% sure that if it's an error in the next update it will be fixed/deleted and if it's not an error it's another point in the story that we don't understand yet, it'll be cool to see, people forget that Lil is It's a game that deals a lot with the concept of time and time travel, so I think we have to stop thinking about it as an error until we see if it can be fixed or not. If that dialogue changes in the next update it was an error, if it doesn't change it means it's part of the game and we didn't understand or miscalculated something in the timeline.
 

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Ami from what I remember is 15 years old and was born on August 31st, Noriko is 16 years old (confirmed) and was born on July 28th. assuming that they were born in the same year, Noriko and Ami have a difference of 1 month and 3 days in age, it wouldn't make sense for Noriko to have been born at that point in the game, since Sekai should have a much bigger belly, since she would be 8 months pregnant to be able to make it feel like Noriko was alive and 1 month old.

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Sure, so her mum would be pregnant at that time, just one month and three days further along than Sekai.

What I tried to get at was that this event could be a deliberate attempt to mislead us from Selebus. Of course it could also be a plothole or a hint at multiple timelines or whatever.

Just that there is, I think, potentially also a simpler answer.
 
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