Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.47.0] [Selebus]

[shmurfer]

The "care packages" are like DVD bonus features. They're generally not worth it, but if you're curious about them, download them and save them in a seperate folder, don't install them to the game at all. Then you can just go into the files and view them without having to worry about the DRM. If you install them and don't apply the DRM fix, the game will delete your saves. It's not worth the risk (especially because he can decide to tweak the DRM at any time and the fix may not work on future updates).

From what I remember were the most interesting ones. Loli Maya HJ and older Maya cellphone picture were interesting purely because you get to see a side of her you never see for more than a sentence at a time. And older Chinami since it's another personality you never see in general.

The others just read as if they were wearing different clothes or something (Which somehow includes Teen Tsukasa blowjob, that could be a criticism of her character)

Great advice here, I wound up duplicating the entire game into a separate folder when I got curious about these. I also suggest making a backup of your save files just before each version update in case Sel decides to pass judgement in some new way, like the cheater flag.

It's probably safer if you only watched that stuff through the second install, but it's by no means safe. They'd both interact with the same save files, and Selebus could be more subtle about fucking your saves over the next time they do it. All they have to do is set a subtle flag of some kind if they detect piracy of any kind, and at some point in the future do something about it on your main account.

The only thing saving you from this is the financial hit he took the last time he did it. But he's also the sort of person who doesn't learn from his mistakes and enough of a zealot to 'seek justice'

 

[Dc345]

Happy Birthday to Himawari!!

 

[Moonflare]

Just filling new people in as to why today is important.

December 28 is the day we assume the resets started/the world "ended". And from the newspapers on the windows, it might had to do with some sort of disaster happening.

Spoiler: December 28, 2020

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Himawari being born on December 28 could be because the entire game happens on this day (my personal guess). I see no other candidate for being the paradox, and also, Himawari has to run away from "untitled" (following event), because of a paradox related to her name.

 

[SmallsMalone]

It's probably safer if you only watched that stuff through the second install, but it's by no means safe. They'd both interact with the same save files, and Selebus could be more subtle about fucking your saves over the next time they do it. All they have to do is set a subtle flag of some kind if they detect piracy of any kind, and at some point in the future do something about it on your main account.

Just to clarify, I copied the entire directory dedicated to the game, which includes the saves folder. I don't know about your setup but on mine the saves are all put into the "[Game Dir]/game/saves" folder. I presumed when I copied it over to a new folder it would begin pulling from the save folder based on the directory it was opened in. Am I missing something?

 

[shmurfer]

Just to clarify, I copied the entire directory dedicated to the game, which includes the saves folder. I don't know about your setup but on mine the saves are all put into the "[Game Dir]/game/saves" folder. I presumed when I copied it over to a new folder it would begin pulling from the save folder based on the directory it was opened in. Am I missing something?

Yes. Renpy backs up your saves to a folder in appdata based on a project name. You can test this by deleting / renaming your saves and watching how they don't disappear when you relaunch the game. (LIL uses test-[numbers])

You're able to reinsert saves from a backup if they're newer than the older saves, otherwise you need to delete all the old ones first so there's nothing to check them against.

And like I said, if Sel wants to long play this they can subtly flag your save as pirated in some way, and then like 6 updates later without adding a new care package or anything he could just delete them, or fuck with you in more subtle ways.

 

[Antosha]

Yes. Renpy backs up your saves to a folder in appdata based on a project name. You can test this by deleting / renaming your saves and watching how they don't disappear when you relaunch the game. (LIL uses test-[numbers])

You're able to reinsert saves from a backup if they're newer than the older saves, otherwise you need to delete all the old ones first so there's nothing to check them against.

And like I said, if Sel wants to long play this they can subtly flag your save as pirated in some way, and then like 6 updates later without adding a new care package or anything he could just delete them, or fuck with you in more subtle ways.

Yes and…

If you’re on a Mac, the backup saves are in the ~/Library/Application Support/Renpy folder, with each game you okay having its own folder.

Just in case.

 

[fasoaga]

I reached the half of second chapter on my first replay and this time im actually reading the "boring" characters instead of skipping them. And to be honest im suprised how some of the boring characters got interesting and cute, while others still meh to me.

Futaba:
At my first playthrough i just take a look at Futaba and said, "Yeah fat girl with giant tits have insecurities" and never look at her again. This time i think she is one of the cutest girls. Like everytime i see her on the screen i just wanna hug or pet her head. And get sad when sensei uses her as a fleshlight and disregards her.

Karin:
Overly shy around boys, we already have Sana, what is the point of her was the first question i asked when Karin was introduced before pressing ctrl to skip her. Now she is still not my fav girl but not that boring either.


Uta and Noriko:
At the start of my replay i though i would start to like these girls. But i was suprised i find myself bored again. These two are tiring. Their overflowing energy doesn't reach to me, is it because there are lots of hyper active quirky girls introduced before them or something else but i just can't like them. Only reason i tolerate Noriko is there is chance sensei remembers something or event can connect to Maya and Niki.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Karin:
Overly shy around boys, we already have Sana, what is the point of her was the first question i asked when Karin was introduced before pressing ctrl to skip her. Now she is still not my fav girl but not that boring either.

I wouldn't say Karin and Sana similar. Sana is just socially awkward, while Karin just can't stand love and romance topics

 

[fasoaga]

I wouldn't say Karin and Sana similar. Sana is just socially awkward, while Karin just can't stand love and romance topics

Yeah but in my first playthrough i didn't even gave enough attention to karin to understand the difference. I was just skipping to get Maya events at the time.

 

[Budoop]

Just filling new people in as to why today is important.

December 28 is the day we assume the resets started/the world "ended". And from the newspapers on the windows, it might had to do with some sort of disaster happening.

Spoiler: December 28, 2020

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Himawari being born on December 28 could be because the entire game happens on this day (my personal guess). I see no other candidate for being the paradox, and also, Himawari has to run away from "untitled" (following event), because of a paradox related to her name.

To double up, if she is indeed directly related to the paradox it would make sense she constantly tells Akira not to look into her as things would double break.

Yeah but in my first playthrough i didn't even gave enough attention to karin to understand the difference. I was just skipping to get Maya events at the time.

Kinda based but in the weirdest way.

 

[throwawaysponge]

Has anyone started gathering everything from this game to make it into a vn?

Maybe it's me but the 'illusion of choice' from the sandbox option does give a lot of (heavy quotation) "Value" to this game. I understand most people on this site genuinely recoil at the sandbox tag and to support your idea there's an absurd amount of story that is tied behind random affection value that could very well be consolidated into a few route choices overall and split fine enough to make a mildly competent VN. If i recall the reason chain events keep happening now is because Sele regrets making it a sandbox with affection levels in the first place. (But He's also a bastard who locks events behind his fictional point system anyway so???)

Maybe it's stockholm syndrome, maybe it's the fact that stumbling onto a happy event or just taking your time to give people 400 headpats feels awkwardly rewarding for genuinely no reason other than making my finger a little bit sore (that's what she said) You get the awkward freedom to interact with which characters you actually want to interact with and get a fun number to showcase that fact (URM go brrr tho).

 

[Venerable Hermit]

The "care packages" are like DVD bonus features. They're generally not worth it, but if you're curious about them, download them and save them in a seperate folder, don't install them to the game at all. Then you can just go into the files and view them without having to worry about the DRM. If you install them and don't apply the DRM fix, the game will delete your saves. It's not worth the risk (especially because he can decide to tweak the DRM at any time and the fix may not work on future updates).

Thank you this has been helpful, do i need to worry about DRM for the game itself too or is possible flags later down the line it?

 

[Budoop]

Thank you this has been helpful, do i need to worry about DRM for the game itself too or is possible flags later down the line it?

Just don't install them to your game folder, if the DRM gets touched (which is does a lot) you will lose your saves.

 

[Dc345]

Just filling new people in as to why today is important.

December 28 is the day we assume the resets started/the world "ended". And from the newspapers on the windows, it might had to do with some sort of disaster happening.

Spoiler: December 28, 2020

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Himawari being born on December 28 could be because the entire game happens on this day (my personal guess). I see no other candidate for being the paradox, and also, Himawari has to run away from "untitled" (following event), because of a paradox related to her name.

I would imagine she would run away from the player's choice. She was almost named Chester Thunder Weiner the Loathsome Penis out of spite because of Tsuneyo's Franklin Deleware Roosevelt question.

 

[barglenarglezous]

I wouldn't say Karin and Sana similar. Sana is just socially awkward, while Karin just can't stand love and romance topics

Sana has social anxiety.

Karin is fine talking about romance, but not sex, and she's NOT fine talking Romance with/about Akira, specifically, because she's infatuated with him.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Thank you this has been helpful, do i need to worry about DRM for the game itself too or is possible flags later down the line it?

Right now, the way the DRM works is that when you load the game, it checks to see if you have the care packages installed, and if you do, it queries a database to see if your copy of the care package is "legit" or not. If not, saves go bye-bye. If yes, nothing happens and the game runs as normal.

It has false-negatived people before. At least one subscriber who downloaded the packages directly from Sel lost his saves, so the code isn't perfect, but if you don't have the care packages in the game folders, you should be fine. At the moment, that's all it does.

Also, Sel is not a skilled coder, so the DRM was outsourced to someone else. Since he likes to fly solo as much as possible, I doubt it will be changed significantly, but there's always a chance he'll get fed up with us existing again and try something. But as of this writing, the DRM only kicks in if the care packages are installed in the game.

 

[Ma1phas]

Maybe it's me but the 'illusion of choice' from the sandbox option does give a lot of (heavy quotation) "Value" to this game.

I generally agree with this idea. Renpy style games could do without the grinding, but having definite stops to do things at the players own pace, or access repeatables, secondary gameplay elements or such adds something to the experience. It's mostly monkey brain logic, but the illusion of choice makes it still feel somewhat like a game, rather than just reading.

LiL is probably one of the worst examples for it, though. No hints, many events obscurely hidden, a huge number of them only trigger on specific days, grinding for point requirements to start them rather than just click to start the next part, no secondary gameplay elements other than the repeatables which only get variation maybe once per chapter. And the ever present concern that the next event will lock you into a long chain with an obnoxious puzzle.
I recall someone referring to LiL's gameplay loop as hostile, which I think is pretty accurate.

 

[aramaug]

December 28 is the day we assume the resets started/the world "ended".

I don't remember seeing an argument for this, can you explain or point me to a post that goes into more detail?

For what it's worth, the name of the slumber party event is misleading. The party itself and the reset happen on the night of Dec 30.

Spoiler: December 28, 2020 (Clay & Clockwork)

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[Antosha]

Sana has social anxiety.

Karin is fine talking about romance, but not sex, and she's NOT fine talking Romance with/about Akira, specifically, because she's infatuated with him.

This got me thinking about Sana’s anxiety. Specifically, how her unbelievably high, wildly kinky libido combined with her bisexuality must make every interaction agonizing.

And THAT got me thinking about who was the lust queen of LiL. Which of the ladies is actually most controlled by desire?

And THAT got me thinking:

Spoiler: Antosha’s LiL libido ranking

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Obviously, all of those are up for debate. Thoughts?

 

[DeanNoriko]

This got me thinking about Sana’s anxiety. Specifically, how her unbelievably high, wildly kinky libido combined with her bisexuality must make every interaction agonizing.

And THAT got me thinking about who was the lust queen of LiL. Which of the ladies is actually most controlled by desire?

And THAT got me thinking:

Spoiler: Antosha’s LiL libido ranking

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Obviously, all of those are up for debate. Thoughts?

Interesting idea. I mostly agree with your takes, with a few exceptions.

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