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There is a wiki, somewhere in the thread is a trigger list for what each event needs to trigger, and several people have assisted in areas where other players got stuck.
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I detect that we may be talking at slightly cross purposes there. You appear to be using a more literary definition of villain, I'm talking more real world. A person's own motivation is not really that important when we consider how they are perceived in the real world. Look at someone like Bill Gates who is demonstrably and objectively not a villain and does not intend to hurt anyone. But to a worryingly large number of people he is villainous.
The Ayane's dad example was meant to illustrate this. From the "outside" if sensei was exposed he would be considered a villain. He is abusing a position of power to have sex with young women (because he is a sex addict
). If you use a very narrow definition of villain i.e. that it has to correspond to all the tropes: evil plot, global domination, unnecessary curelty etc. then yeah, Sensei ain't your classic villain.If you apply some real world logic to it and accept that you can be villainous without being literal Hitler, then I think it would be entirely possibly to conclude that he is a villain. Just imagine the shit storm if a real world teacher was exposed to be up to the stuff he is.
Well, throwing in my two cents into this whole theorycrafting deal:
I'm admittedly more interested in being taken for a ride with cute girls and fugging, so I don't know what this might all mean in the grand scheme. To that end, I really hope the game will end with a happily ever after, though as time progresses this seems increasingly more unlikely.
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I'm admittedly more interested in being taken for a ride with cute girls and fugging, so I don't know what this might all mean in the grand scheme. To that end, I really hope the game will end with a happily ever after, though as time progresses this seems increasingly more unlikely.
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Sure he does. "My moral compass always point souuuth" - Avery Bullock
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Looking at the game logo..... some interesting things:
* Ayane is sitting in the role of Judas (the traitor)
* John is occupied by Maya. What makes this interesting is that the John in Davinci's Last Supper is considered(by the Lost Gospel crowd and modern fans of Dan Brown) to actually be Mary Magdalene, the wife of Jesus who is later disavowed and branded as a harlot by the Church
* Rin is Thomas (the Doubting Thomas who did not believe Jesus was resurrected)
* Peter (the guy who violently defended Jesus by attacking the Romans that came to arrest Him) is, fittingly, Ami.
There's probably some other interesting bits in there, but I'm not a biblical scholar (and don't want to overthink this _too_ much.)
Edit: Looks like other have already covered some of this earlier in the thread
* Ayane is sitting in the role of Judas (the traitor)
* John is occupied by Maya. What makes this interesting is that the John in Davinci's Last Supper is considered(by the Lost Gospel crowd and modern fans of Dan Brown) to actually be Mary Magdalene, the wife of Jesus who is later disavowed and branded as a harlot by the Church
* Rin is Thomas (the Doubting Thomas who did not believe Jesus was resurrected)
* Peter (the guy who violently defended Jesus by attacking the Romans that came to arrest Him) is, fittingly, Ami.
There's probably some other interesting bits in there, but I'm not a biblical scholar (and don't want to overthink this _too_ much.)
Edit: Looks like other have already covered some of this earlier in the thread
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IIRC Ami and Ayane are in the wrong places, it was stated that they should be swapped.
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Stated by Selebus?
Ami as the Judas would be interesting. I could see her crossing the love/hate boundary more easily than I could see Ayane doing so.
Yeah, a good few pages back, I'd link but I don't even vaguely remember where.
I do, however, remember that he did say it.
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Just as a suggestion, tou can use the search function to go through a user's replies only. So if you type "Ami" by user "Selebus" you could find it if you vaguely remember its contents.
I am using a more literary definition since, while Selebus is making the characters more realistic than you normally see on a game like this and I am not capable of resisting an emotional response or connection to this game as I normally can others, it is still a work of fiction.I detect that we may be talking at slightly cross purposes there. You appear to be using a more literary definition of villain, I'm talking more real world. A person's own motivation is not really that important when we consider how they are perceived in the real world. Look at someone like Bill Gates who is demonstrably and objectively not a villain and does not intend to hurt anyone. But to a worryingly large number of people he is villainous.
The Ayane's dad example was meant to illustrate this. From the "outside" if sensei was exposed he would be considered a villain. He is abusing a position of power to have sex with young women (because he is a sex addict
If you apply some real world logic to it and accept that you can be villainous without being literal Hitler, then I think it would be entirely possibly to conclude that he is a villain. Just imagine the shit storm if a real world teacher was exposed to be up to the stuff he is.
Bill Gates is most definitely not a villain, he bears no evil intent, he only does what he views as right, which in itself is not villainous by any definition.
However, player Sensei specifically DOES bear evil intent, not to the level of typical villains, but to a potentially harmful level to the girls he is after. He is also well aware of this intent bearing that potential and is proceeding with it anyway. Ayane's dad, not so much, he'd probably just be the typical overprotective father type.
Abusing his position is exactly what player Sensei is already doing, just not in the straightforward way some might consider when they think of an abuse of power. What most might think of is player Sensei using his authority and outright ordering unsavory acts from the girls like in some rape hentai, but in the game he's actually using his position to get close to the girls, to manipulate them into thinking of him as more than just a teacher. He's trying to influence their perception of him into that of woman toward a man so that they give themselves to him. This provides the highest chance of successfully getting all of the girls.
There actually have been real teachers getting into trouble for things like this, though not always through manipulation like in the game. Often times it is actually mutual and they get in trouble simply because they are a person with authority over the student or the student is underage. You hear about it at least once a year in my country.
Thanks for the 'literal Hitler' line, I just finished watching an archaeological program about uncovering a little known camp on a small British island that was occupied, so it gave me an image of Sensei as the commandant and the added girls as his guards with one solitary girl, Touka, the girl in white during one of Ayane's scenes, in the well known striped uniform of the prisoners of those camps. Wasn't trying to picture it, it just popped in.
That end is EXTREMELY unlikely as this is a Denpa game, a genre of horror well known for having very little to no happiness and, when they do, it is often only in one route. For that reason, I suggest not getting your hopes up for any true happiness until AT LEAST the final route is underway a few years from now.
Good point, that's even worse than no compass.
Yes, there was at least one mistake admitted by Selebus in positioning the girls in each spot, though given Ayane has been one to show potential as a yandere, the traitor position, Judas, isn't out of the realm of possibility for her.
Given yanderes are known to kill their love interest if they catch them with another girl, though they will go after the girl instead in some cases, usually if it is clear their love interest isn't the initiator, they technically betray their love interest, making them a traitor. Judas betrayed Jesus, so putting a character with yandere tendencies in his position does make some sense.
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Maybe, this thing will exist in the far future update, just like hoverboard in our world.
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Maybe, but we will still need to preorder "A World Without Bubbles!" and "A World Without Geoffrey's Family!" at Gamestop to get the bonuses, gotta have those extra outfits and coffins, you know.
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Just found this game and started with it. That first day he talks about how he only knows the characters 'cause he found the notebook and my only thought is that I hope he found the f'ing lesson plans.
He's not following those anyway, he's changing things up to make getting close to them easier.
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Yeah I get that but the idea of spontaeously taking over a class in the middle of the semester without access to the previous teachers lesson plans fills my soul with dread.
Sooo much extra work.
edit: even if you were changing what was upcoming not knowing what's been covered. :shudder:
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I mean he's probably just teaching based on what he learned himself with no real focus. I could see the disorganization being a bit of a problem, but we don't have much detail on how he's handling the actual teaching since it isn't really shown.
I was home schooled all the way through high school. I imagine he's doing it the same way my parents did when I got to the higher grades. "Here's a textbook. Read it, do these problems, and take these standadized tests given to us. Good luck."
A.K.A. not really teaching, just hoping they understand the book. I imagine Makoto is helping anyone who's actually trying and doesn't understand something.
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