Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

Anyways I'd think Futaba wouldn't be that much surprised that he's fucking Nodoka, although I don't really see what reason she would have to be pissed off or anything, maybe a "Are you serious?!" and that's it. Maybe one of the Theorists can help out with what'll happen if Futaba catches Sensei X Nodoka.

Probably not a lot. Futaba has sucked his dick in front of Nodoka.

Spoiler: c'est la vie

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Nodoka would probably invite her to be part of it if Futaba catched them, and call it "making amends". Futaba might even take her on since she's on her "accepting myself" phase, and definitely thinks Nodoka is a better version of her in some aspects - so it may be a challenge she'd rather take than decline if the option was presented to her.

All in all, Nodoka having sex with Akira is just a given tbh. Even people that don't know about it would probably take it as natural given their relationship. What really might change Futaba's opinion on Nodoka is finding out about the sexual assault/blackmail, but Selebus in his obsessiveness with making secondary shallow storylines has made that optional so... One can only hope Nodoka's attempt on blackmail/sexual assault is enough for Futaba to be shocked.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Also if you are going to cheat (cringe) or have a celebrity clause don't choose plain ass people like Anne Hathaway and Henry Cavill bruh

 

[DeSkel15]

Futaba knows Sensei is fucking others but so far I think it might only be Makoto she knows of? Not sure if I remember right but what I AM SURE of is that the only people that know of Nodoka is Rin and Otoha, so my memory supports your memory that Futaba doesn't know about Nodoka.


Anyways I'd think Futaba wouldn't be that much surprised that he's fucking Nodoka, although I don't really see what reason she would have to be pissed off or anything, maybe a "Are you serious?!" and that's it. Maybe one of the Theorists can help out with what'll happen if Futaba catches Sensei X Nodoka.

Futaba is still disappointed in Nodoka for what she did with her books and how she treats people, and isn't patching things up with her in hopes that she learns a lesson (or starts acting better despite knowing what she does is wrong already.) If she catches Akira fucking her, she might be pretty pissed. At the very least hurt, because while she does know of some others, she doesn't know much, and it would still make her uncomfortable and likely sad, especially in Nodoka's case.

Nodoka and Futaba had a conversation about Nodoka sleeping with Sensei and well, Nodoka knew she'd be betraying Futaba unless:

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In theory, Nodoka may have found a loophole, but that hasn't stopped Otoha, Rin, Sensei, or Nodoka from hiding this from Futaba.

Might even cause Futaba to lose faith in her friends, and based off last update, could even lead to her having her own Bluejay moment if they really are all that's keeping her...grounded.

Edit: Btw, Ayane knows about Nodoka as well.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Nodoka and Futaba had a conversation about Nodoka sleeping with Sensei and well, Nodoka knew she'd be betraying Futaba unless:

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In theory, Nodoka may have found a loophole, but that hasn't stopped Otoha, Rin, Sensei, or Nodoka from hiding this from Futaba.

Might even cause Futaba to lose faith in her friends, and based off last update, could even lead to her having her own Bluejay moment if they really are all that's keeping her...grounded.

Completely forgot about this scene lol. It makes sense, though. Given Futaba's personal issues and the stuff with Nodoka, I don't see her being happy about it, at least. I don't know if it'd be at Bluejay levels, but I definitely don't think she'd be fine with it or brush it off easily at this point in time. Futaba's mental state isn't exactly a W at this point. I'm hoping this isn't where next update is headed, though. There's been enough people walking in on other character's sex scenes for me, personally.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Akira is an interesting case because he's only cheating on Chika (New Maya could be included too, we'll soon discover) if we go by this logic, since he's no one else's boyfriend/didn't sign the exclusivity clause with anyone. Even Niki calls him out for "cheating" on her when he mentions Yumi, but she's the same Niki that asks him not to have sex with Noriko (she doesn't say "just have sex with me"), and that beneath the mask she understands that asking him to be faithful to her at this point in time is simply ludicrous (and that's probably what motivates her to invite Wakana and Imani to a threesome in the first place - to show Akira that she'd be okay with him having sex with other consenting adults as long as it goes through her and she's part of it).

Saying that Akira doesn't cheat on anyone except Chika is just mental gymnastics and you know it. Chika, Ayane, Makoto, Futaba, Niki... They were all (some still are) cheated on behind their backs until they chose to forgive him, but they still don't like him plapping girls behind their backs
There's no way a real person that had relationships like that in real life and got caught would get away with it without severe consequences


ON THE TOPIC OF CHEATING, WE SHOULD CHEAT ON TOUKA WITH TSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Saying that Akira doesn't cheat on anyone except Chika is just mental gymnastics and you know it. Chika, Ayane, Makoto, Futaba, Niki... They were all (some still are) cheated on behind their backs until they chose to forgive him, but they still don't like him plapping girls behind their backs
There's no way a real person that had relationships like that in real life and got caught would get away with it without severe consequences


ON THE TOPIC OF CHEATING, WE SHOULD CHEAT ON TOUKA WITH TSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

If by TSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS you mean Tsubasa, hell yeah.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Completely forgot about this scene lol. It makes sense, though. Given Futaba's personal issues and the stuff with Nodoka, I don't see her being happy about it, at least. I don't know if it'd be at Bluejay levels, but I definitely don't think she'd be fine with it or brush it off easily at this point in time. Futaba's mental state isn't exactly a W at this point. I'm hoping this isn't where next update is headed, though. There's been enough people walking in on other character's sex scenes for me, personally.

Dude if Nodoka gets caught having sex by Futaba, I'm just gonna suspect that beach inn is cursed at that point lmao! Even more ironically, it would carry on a very coincidental chain.

Kirin catches Ayane having sex:

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Nodoka catches Kirin naked in the very same inn on the next Beach Trip:

Spoiler: Taking the Reins

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Then Futaba catches Nodoka on the third time (?), carrying on this chain of having sex and getting caught in the beach inn.

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[Detective Dc345]

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[Pedro4545454]

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I just want to say if Akira is not in this scene then it is practically confirmed that this Sekai is not a being in Akira's head and that she really is the Sekai that came back from the dead.

Note: And based on the clothes, she is the same Sekai who appeared to Akira in the infirmary with Sana and Io.

 

[Moonflare]

Saying that Akira doesn't cheat on anyone except Chika is just mental gymnastics and you know it. Chika, Ayane, Makoto, Futaba, Niki... They were all (some still are) cheated on behind their backs until they chose to forgive him, but they still don't like him plapping girls behind their backs
There's no way a real person that had relationships like that in real life and got caught would get away with it without severe consequences

It's not mental gymnastics. You can't cheat on someone with whom you are not in a relationship with. What Akira does isn't cheating, but grooming/manipulation. If both sides are adults, then either can have the maturity to say "well, I wish for a monogamous relationship, and if you don't, that's a dealbreaker for me". However, Akira, by engaging with teenagers, is purposefully taking advantage of their lack of maturity by putting them in a position where it's clear they want to be exclusive, but don't have the maturity to stop seeing him either. That's one of the million issues of an adult engaging with teenagers, the other part simply doesn't have the maturity to be in that relationship in the first place.

Sara (an adult) calls Akira her boyfriend, is he cheating on her? That's preposterous. He isn't her boyfriend - and has told her, and people close to her that, multiple times. However, with adults it's a clear-cut situation because they choose to be in that situation, while having the minimum maturity to get out of it, so it's on them. What you call "forgiveness" is misguided, forgiveness could only be applied in the situation of Chika discovering Akira's cheating on her, and forgiving him for it. The other girls can't forgive Akira for anything, because he hasn't agreed to anything in the first place, so what's there to forgive?

I suppose "I forgive you for not correcting me in thinking I was the only one" is possible in some cases, but even then that wouldn't be cheating, just manipulation again. Important to note that Akira's a piece of shit regardless, just for different reasons than cheating (most of the time).

As for real life, that's basically what happens everywhere all the time. People don't usually start seeing eachother and automatically are boyfriend and girlfriend, during that stage it isn't uncommon for them to be getting to know multiple people at the same time until settling on one, and that is doubly true if they're younger. In fact, a reasonable amount of times the need to "define the relationship" comes from the relationship having advanced enough that someone feels like they wouldn't be okay with the other person seeing someone else, and calls for a meeting so that becomes a pact between them.

 

[DeSkel15]

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That image suddenly makes what Ami said about Sekai, more foreboding than wholesome:

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[Moonflare]

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Do you see the smiles on Ami and Niki's faces? Cause I see no smile here.

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What Pedro said about Sekai being a real thing already, but also that she's a sort of liar because she said she only haunts Akira. I guess we could give her a pass because she's at his house, so it counts as haunting him still.

You know, we give Sekai a lot of shit (deserved), but if she's truly sad here, I can empathize to some degree. She seemed to love Ami, and despite everything she was, as a mom I guess she really would wish to be able to be there for her daughter and so that Ami hadn't had to go through all the shit she did.

On the other hand, if she really loved Akira (highly debatable) then this can be doubly upsetting for her. Because Niki was the healthy relationship in Akira's life, a love that never had to be tainted (they were the same age) and survived her. Niki achieved tremendous success, Ami admires and loves her (to some extent), she sort of accepts her relationship with Akira and should be on the way to take her as a mom.

Sekai died physically, but never died on an emotional level for them. If Niki takes her place however, she'd do a better job of creating a healthy life for them and truly kill Sekai/occupy her place in their dynamic.

 

[Pedro4545454]

That image suddenly makes what Ami said about Sekai, more foreboding than wholesome:

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Is Mommy Sekai yandere canon?

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

It's not mental gymnastics. You can't cheat on someone with whom you are not in a relationship with. What Akira does isn't cheating, but grooming/manipulation. If both sides are adults, then either can have the maturity to say "well, I wish for a monogamous relationship, and if you don't, that's a dealbreaker for me". However, Akira, by engaging with teenagers, is purposefully taking advantage of their lack of maturity by putting them in a position where it's clear they want to be exclusive, but don't have the maturity to stop seeing him either. That's one of the million issues of an adult engaging with teenagers, the other part simply doesn't have the maturity to be in that relationship in the first place.

Sara (an adult) calls Akira her boyfriend, is he cheating on her? That's preposterous. He isn't her boyfriend - and has told her, and people close to her that, multiple times. However, with adults it's a clear-cut situation because they choose to be in that situation, while having the minimum maturity to get out of it, so it's on them. What you call "forgiveness" is misguided, forgiveness could only be applied in the situation of Chika discovering Akira's cheating on her, and forgiving him for it. The other girls can't forgive Akira for anything, because he hasn't agreed to anything in the first place, so what's there to forgive?

I suppose "I forgive you for not correcting me in thinking I was the only one" is possible in some cases, but even then that wouldn't be cheating, just manipulation again. Important to note that Akira's a piece of shit regardless, just for different reasons than cheating (most of the time).

As for real life, that's basically what happens everywhere all the time. People don't usually start seeing eachother and automatically are boyfriend and girlfriend, during that stage it isn't uncommon for them to be getting to know multiple people at the same time until settling on one, and that is doubly true if they're younger. In fact, a reasonable amount of times the need to "define the relationship" comes from the relationship having advanced enough that someone feels like they wouldn't be okay with the other person seeing someone else, and calls for a meeting so that becomes a pact between them.

Just because you haven't initiated a relationship officially, doesn't mean that there isn't some sort of bond formed and expectation created as soon as you start being intimate.
I still consider it as betrayment because they expected exclusivity and you were aware of it, and you knew they would be hurt when they discovered it wasn't.
If all of these girls knew that you would go on to fuck the rest after doing it with them, would they have agreed to do it with you in the first place? bar some people like Kirin or Ayane, most of them wouldn't
Saying that you never agreed to be exclusive is an excuse, at the very least it needs to be mentioned before or after you do it to avoid the other catching unwanted feelings, you can forgive a teenager for lacking the maturity to do it, but not Akira.
In this case it's even worse because Akira outright says that he loves them which creates for them the image that "They are the one"
Sara is the only girl so far with whom Akira has been honest from the beginning and who has no right to complain if her feelings aren't reciprocated.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

I just want to say if Akira is not in this scene then it is practically confirmed that this Sekai is not a being in Akira's head and that she really is the Sekai that came back from the dead.

The existence of a free roaming Sekai was confirmed after Shelter back in Ch3, where Yasu couldn't see her (but can see the rabbit doll lifted by her as if it was floating) but can presumably hear her. At that moment Sensei was on the limo to his new apartment.

 

[DeSkel15]

Do you see the smiles on Ami and Niki's faces? Cause I see no smile here.

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What Pedro said about Sekai being a real thing already, but also that she's a sort of liar because she said she only haunts Akira. I guess we could give her a pass because she's at his house, so it counts as haunting him still.

You know, we give Sekai a lot of shit (deserved), but if she's truly sad here, I can empathize to some degree. She seemed to love Ami, and despite everything she was, as a mom I guess she really would wish to be able to be there for her daughter and so that Ami hadn't had to go through all the shit she did.

On the other hand, if she really loved Akira (highly debatable) then this can be doubly upsetting for her. Because Niki was the healthy relationship in Akira's life, a love that never had to be tainted (they were the same age) and survived her. Niki achieved tremendous success, Ami admires and loves her (to some extent), she sort of accepts her relationship with Akira and should be on the way to take her as a mom.

Sekai died physically, but never died on an emotional level for them. If Niki takes her place however, she'd do a better job of creating a healthy life for them and truly kill Sekai/occupy her place in their dynamic.

Niki: "You may have cucked me Sekai, but guess who they are calling mommy, now."
Niki played the long game, lmao.

That does remind me though, this Sekai (White Dress), in particular, implied that she is only around because of Sensei:

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She did suggest she hung around Ami as well:

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But the point seemed to be that Sensei (and maybe Ami) are what allows her to exist.

So, if Niki does end up replacing her in their minds, it may as well be a second death.

Frankly, that might even be why Sekai hated Maya Prime so much. She may have fucked Sensei's mind up to the point he forgot about Sekai and only recalled her as "Teacher".

In other words: Sekai's existence may be at stake now, due to Niki.

I also have to wonder if Maya Prime may be in a similar situation. Only kept "alive" due to the memories of her that Ayane, Noriko, and Sensei have. Maybe even Ami, although she seems to prefer New Maya.

This also makes Sekai calling Maya "whatshername" and Pareidolia calling her "Mayo" etc, possibly an attempt at killing Maya Prime off, permanently. Even the recent Io stuff may be an attempt at this:

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Perhaps New Maya is another attempt of sorts.

 

[Comiies]

Niki: "You may have cucked me Sekai, but guess who they are calling mommy, now."
Niki played the long game, lmao.

That does remind me though, this Sekai (White Dress), in particular, implied that she is only around because of Sensei:

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She did suggest she hung around Ami as well:

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But the point seemed to be that Sensei (and maybe Ami) are what allows her to exist.

So, if Niki does end up replacing her in their minds, it may as well be a second death.

Frankly, that might even be why Sekai hated Maya Prime so much. She may have fucked Sensei's mind up to the point he forgot about Sekai and only recalled her as "Teacher".

In other words: Sekai's existence may be at stake now, due to Niki.

I also have to wonder if Maya Prime may be in a similar situation. Only kept "alive" due to the memories of her that Ayane, Noriko, and Sensei have. Maybe even Ami, although she seems to prefer New Maya.

This also makes Sekai calling Maya "whatshername" and Pareidolia calling her "Mayo" etc, possibly an attempt at killing Maya Prime off, permanently. Even the recent Io stuff may be an attempt at this:

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Perhaps New Maya is another attempt of sorts.

Well thats interesting.Sekai being able to exist only because Akira remembers her can technically work since she only started to appear when we were slowly regaining our memories.In the beginning she wasnt there,hell there was BARELY any mention of her.And the very little off hand comments about her werent even that direct.Just "Oh Amis mom" or "Someone with a name thats starts from the letter T" or whatever.So if we do follow that theory that means that Sekai will do whatever it takes to A)Have Akira remember her since her existance basically relies on that and B)Do everything she can to descend into the real world(possibly through possesing Kaori as weve seen happen already) in order to once more be closer to the ones she loves.

 

[Moonflare]

Just because you haven't initiated a relationship officially, doesn't mean that there isn't some sort of bond formed and expectation created as soon as you start being intimate.
I still consider it as betrayment because they expected exclusivity and you were aware of it, and you knew they would be hurt when they discovered it wasn't.
If all of these girls knew that you would go on to fuck the rest after doing it with them, would they have agreed to do it with you in the first place? bar some people like Kirin or Ayane, most of them wouldn't
Saying that you never agreed to be exclusive is an excuse, at the very least it needs to be mentioned before or after you do it to avoid the other catching unwanted feelings, you can forgive a teenager for lacking the maturity to do it, but not Akira.
In this case it's even worse because Akira outright says that he loves them which creates for them the image that "They are the one"
Sara is the only girl so far with whom Akira has been honest from the beginning and who has no right to complain if her feelings aren't reciprocated.

I mean, sure, but acting in bad faith towards someone's expectations is not the same as cheating. "this person is seeing me on the supposition that we can't have a relationship because she's my student, when in actual fact it's because I want to whore around" is definitely acting in bad faith, but it isn't cheating, because they don't have a relationship.

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Tbh imo what he's doing is much worse than cheating on them, because if he was, at the very least he'd be giving them a reason to hate him, and a kickstart for them to get away from him. Since he cleverly leaves it all undefined, then there's no real target to pin the blame of their hurting on but themselves and their unrealistic expectations. That he tried to give both Karin and Uta (to a lesser extent) the tools to never see him again really shows some growth.

 

[Moonflare]

Well thats interesting.Sekai being able to exist only because Akira remembers her can technically work since she only started to appear when we were slowly regaining our memories.In the beginning she wasnt there,hell there was BARELY any mention of her.And the very little off hand comments about her werent even that direct.Just "Oh Amis mom" or "Someone with a name thats starts from the letter T" or whatever.So if we do follow that theory that means that Sekai will do whatever it takes to A)Have Akira remember her since her existance basically relies on that and B)Do everything she can to descend into the real world(possibly through possesing Kaori as weve seen happen already) in order to once more be closer to the ones she loves.

The Sekai situation is very complicated. There is some evidence that Sekai was the one that had her hands on Akira's shoulders, and that is present throughout most of the game in various events. There are also multiple characters and narrators that say that Akira has the weight of the world (Sekai) on his shoulders. Then AmIOkay even calls Akira Sekai. The same "Huh?" that Yasu says to Sekai in "Shelter", that fdsasdf_p pointed out, can be seen on an early Sana event, where Yasu says that there is someone with Akira that he can't see, and looks to his side and says "Huh?". Yasu also says in "frankincense" that she can reveal the voice of the one that follows him, and if that is also Sekai (high likehood) then she's even more present. So, basically, Sekai can be the most present character in the story, we just couldn't see her/currently still lack confirmation it was her.

If everything I said turns out to be true, then it also adds complications for the "Sekai wars" (multiple sekais theory), since it would point out to many Sekais existing as of Chapter 4. If white dress Sekai can only haunt Akira and Ami, then how come a Sekai left them during that one cemetery scene saying she had stuff to do? If Sekai is the one following Akira, then how come he runs to Kaori for help against it and is helped by another Sekai inside of her? As always:

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[Bingoogus]

Sensei was on the limo

That's a funny image, ala Mr Bean on his mini.