Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

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PhiloPhilo

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Moonflare said:
Since he cleverly leaves it all undefined, then there's no real target to pin the blame of their hurting on but themselves and their unrealistic expectations.
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So Akira isn't a cheater, he's a based sigma playing 4D chess


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If everything I said turns out to be true, then it also adds complications for the "Sekai wars" (multiple sekais theory), since it would point out to many Sekais existing as of Chapter 4. If white dress Sekai can only haunt Akira and Ami, then how come a Sekai left them during that one cemetery scene saying she had stuff to do? If Sekai is the one following Akira, then how come he runs to Kaori for help against it and is helped by another Sekai inside of her?
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(possibly through possesing Kaori as weve seen happen already)
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Sekai is a mess. There could easily be multiple Sekais, or at least an 'actual' Sekai and a fake Sekai created/used by someone(s). There's too much room for argumentation for now, in the sense that you could argue one way or another at least, even if one side wins out. Run Rabbit Run (Kaori event) is also weird. Akira was just driven by a 'feeling' that Kaori could help, which may not even be his own feelings, and seemingly he lacks information. Kaori/Sekai doesn't even really help him. Kaori gets possessed and makes out with him and that just makes him feel a little better because it's pleasant and it takes his mind off Sekai, and he seems to block out the more overt possession signs. The same Sekai could be the one popping up in his mind and also the one that took over Kaori. Being brought into close proximity to Kaori by Akira might even be what made that possible. And he just decided to go with the kiss because at least it's not "seeing her" and again, he seems to not perceive or ignore the part where she starts barfing MS Paint. Interesting side note, Kaori screams "月月月月月月月月月月月月月月月" here, which is the Kanji for moon (and month, I guess.) Not 100% sure what that means. But I don't actually see Run Rabbit Run as confirmation of two Sekais fighting each other, more like Sekai hunting Akira who goes to Kaori, and then Sekai is like oh shit I'd like to get inside her.

And that's not even getting into the potentially crackpot theory that Kaori isn't (by default) possessed by Sekai, but more like her 'spirit' or energy (not her soul, at least not more than a piece of it,) because she (probably) received her organs in a transplant — And Kaori is either possessed by a lingering piece of her soul or her evil aura juices or something. Similar to the Shirikodama which a lot of people know about (thanks, Elden Ring.) In which case it's Sekai vs Sekai's spirit(?)
 
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That does remind me though, this Sekai (White Dress), in particular, implied that she is only around because of Sensei:
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She did suggest she hung around Ami as well:
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But the point seemed to be that Sensei (and maybe Ami) are what allows her to exist.
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We already know to some extent there is a Sekai in Ami's mind even when Akira is not present. Ami talks to her (and hears a response) in "Every Day Birds" after Akira leaves the room.
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I'm pretty sure Sekai has been able to talk through Ami as well. In "Worry Not, the Mason Jar" Ami acts kind of crazy (and not in the usual way) while the frame is zoomed in on her mouth, hiding her eyes. The same thing is done when Sekai talks through Kaori or Yasu.
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Ami's voice is also replaced with (probably) Sekai's in "Not the Nightingale", though this one could just be in Akira's head.
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It would definitely be interesting if this Sekai proves to be the same as the white dress Sekai that's haunting Akira. As Moonflare said, white dress Sekai tells Akira she's haunting only him, but I guess lying to Akira is on brand for Sekai/Pareidolia.

I personally think 0.41 points to all of the Sekais being the same entity, with all of the connections between Pareidolia, Kaori, the Sekai inside Yasu, and the Sekai haunting Akira. The Sekai that's able to physically carry one of Yasu's rabbits is still confusing, though.
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If everything I said turns out to be true, then it also adds complications for the "Sekai wars" (multiple sekais theory), since it would point out to many Sekais existing as of Chapter 4. If white dress Sekai can only haunt Akira and Ami, then how come a Sekai left them during that one cemetery scene saying she had stuff to do? If Sekai is the one following Akira, then how come he runs to Kaori for help against it and is helped by another Sekai inside of her? As always:
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Why do you say SeKaori helped Akira? My take on "Run, Rabbit, Run" was that Sekai was only able to possess Kaori because Akira brought SekaiDolia to her apartment. Akira claims he feels better afterwards, but that's because he's returning to his old numbness, which is not a good thing. In the next event he says that was a lie as well, and feelings are good.

Also, random thought: in "Run, Rabbit, Run" Sekai possesses Kaori, but as Moonflare suggested before, she might be forced out when Nao shows up. This event is immediately followed by "Worry Not, the Mason Jar" where Sekai speaks to Akira directly in his mind, "LET ME OUT" flashes on screen, and then Sekai seems to speak through Ami as well. That event is then immediately followed by "All for You", where the narrator talks about the thing that "sings in its sleep". If Apollo259 is right about that referring to Sekai, maybe she's emerging from her old hiding place of Kaori and finding a new one in Ami. It doesn't fit perfectly since Sekai still possesses Kaori in the future, but maybe there's something there.
 
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Hell yeah, ass. Also I'm hoping Rin does confront Otoha about the pic swap with Akira, I'm curious if Otoha tells her who she got back in return.
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$20 says one of these two has an "incest" card and are unsure how to go about it.
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I don't see this going well at all, there's no way Sekai will take to being replaced as a mother figure well at all.

Definitely excited for the next update now
 
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I mean, sure, but acting in bad faith towards someone's expectations is not the same as cheating. "this person is seeing me on the supposition that we can't have a relationship because she's my student, when in actual fact it's because I want to whore around" is definitely acting in bad faith, but it isn't cheating, because they don't have a relationship.
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Tbh imo what he's doing is much worse than cheating on them, because if he was, at the very least he'd be giving them a reason to hate him, and a kickstart for them to get away from him. Since he cleverly leaves it all undefined, then there's no real target to pin the blame of their hurting on but themselves and their unrealistic expectations. That he tried to give both Karin and Uta (to a lesser extent) the tools to never see him again really shows some growth.
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I understand your point, he's a scumbag no matter how you look at it, we are just arguing about technicalities here :ROFLMAO:
 
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Damn, I probably didn't notice it before but Yasu is pretty taller than Molly, I wonder how tall she'll be in the future, I seriously wanna see Adult Yasu's height.

But I hope more than that to see more of Wholesome/Cute Yasu she's ABSOLUTELY adorable when she's like that.
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Damn, I probably didn't notice it before but Yasu is pretty taller than Molly, I wonder how tall she'll be in the future, I seriously wanna see Adult Yasu's height.

But I hope more than that to see more of Wholesome/Cute Yasu she's ABSOLUTELY adorable when she's like that.
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Yasu is an adorable, misunderstood little angel. Favorite scene in the game is getting to see Yasu sing and be a normal girl in The Color White. If she ever gets brain murdered or sausaged I'm going to punch someone in the fucking face, with my foot. Possibly my hand.
 
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aramaug said:
Why do you say SeKaori helped Akira? My take on "Run, Rabbit, Run" was that Sekai was only able to possess Kaori because Akira brought SekaiDolia to her apartment. Akira claims he feels better afterwards, but that's because he's returning to his old numbness, which is not a good thing. In the next event he says that was a lie as well, and feelings are good.
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Just that Akira went there looking for help. He mentions that since Kaori was sort of neutral ground to the whole Sekai thing he could distract himself there.

From this point is a bunch of random observations from rewatching, maybe one of them helps:

Since you mentioned the chain of events though, when Ami is on top of Akira's shoulders, he compares the two and how both of them served as barriers (which makes sense since both of them are sort of Sekai's body parts). Another point of interest is how Sekai says (between the Kaori scene and the Ami scene) that she's going back to her pool of darkness.
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This is followed later by the Ninth God saying it resides in the nothing. And we see that Pareidolia's home is the abyss (seen in "Abyss") - of course, from the disengage sequence of the auto-pilot, we had already learned that the Ninth God is in league with Pareidolia. But I thought I'd point this out anyway. Of course, Sekai could simply be lying there, but if she was not lying, then it would serve as evidence that they're different Sekais - since the memory Sekai went back to the darkness, while another is inside Ami.

What's inside Ami seems to also be related to Somnambula, so it could have always been there as well.
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Also, since whatever that is is inside Ami at the time "all for you" happens, it still remains a mystery to who's saying that. Himawari would be the obvious guess, but all for you narrator can rhyme better than Himawari's previous attempts. There is some likehood that what's inside Ami is USER4. When the scene goes blue after their confrontation, whoever that was asked Akira for a favor, and the screen says that there is only one god, and that you shouldn't listen to who says otherwise.

My last observation from rewatching is that in "all for you" it clearly stated that whatever comes out of the hole in the wall is unconscious, and its eyes are closed. It is disconnected from the orb meant to move it.
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That it is unconscious would be an evidence against it being the Sekai we know. Some other things that may relate to this are:
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at the end of fruits of torment, there is some possible reference to "the orb meant to move it"
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Damn, I probably didn't notice it before but Yasu is pretty taller than Molly, I wonder how tall she'll be in the future, I seriously wanna see Adult Yasu's height.

But I hope more than that to see more of Wholesome/Cute Yasu she's ABSOLUTELY adorable when she's like that.
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