Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[Apollo259]

Tbf, Koikatsu character models (such as in LiL) are at least as repetitive as Daz3D models.
In my personal opinion, I don't see a correlation between different game engines and the quality of a game. Whether a dev uses Daz3D models, Koikatsu, Honey Select, AICG, photo-tracing or hand-drawn graphics will just impact the personal visual taste of the player. There's enough good titles using either of those styles. Some of my favorite games are text only even.

The fact that so many popular games are using Daz3D models is probably because it is easier to use/edit existing models than having to create images from scratch (e.g. hand-drawn). I wouldn't even say that there is a lot less Koikatsku or HS games out there though, which are comparable in terms of effort used in character creation. AICG is also not too difficult to use, at least if doesn't have to be perfect, the high quality ones need a lot of work too though (a lot of touching up).

I also find it funny that you bring up the RPGM engine and highlight it positively. This is by far the most archaic engine still in use, probably because the sex game dev slaves in Japan keep pumping out low effort slop in that engine to this day, somehow keeping it relevant.

Tl;dr: You can't derive the quality of a game by the engine or the character creation software used (unless it's very sloppy AICG, I guess) and need to look at them individually.

I said 3dcg, So that includes Koikatsu, HS, etc. And I will stand by the statement that 95% of them are a complete waste of time. Lil would be amongst the others in the 5% that are not, in my opinion, a complete waste of time. Some of the 5% use daz3d, some use hs, some probably use something I don't know the name of. I'm not saying the engine makes a bad game, I'm saying that literally 95% of the renpy 3dcg games are, in my opinion, hot garbage.

The rest of what I said I probably should have worded differently or elaborated on further. What I mean is rpgmaker games, as an example, on the surface all seem kind of junk with copy paste assets. But somehow there are actually lots of pretty good games on that engine even though everyone seems to write them off when they see the rpg maker tag. Which is kind of the opposite of a lot of the flashy 3dcg renpy games. A lot of them look good, but you play them and they are garbage, In my opinion anyway. Which is why I don't really understand why they are so popular.

And those % are kind of arbitrary anyway and just based on what I have downloaded. I'm sure if you look at every rpgmaker game in existence maybe 95% (probably more) of them are also garbage. But in my experience with this site you will find random rpgmaker games with like 3 pages of posts in their threads that are way more interesting than a lot of 3dcg renpy games I have downloaded with hundreds or thousands of pages of posts in their threads.

I guess I'm saying the same thing as your tldr but from a negative angle? Something like that anyway. (We may get deleted for being offtopic if past experience is anything to go by. So I probably shouldn't have continued this tangent.)

 

[barglenarglezous]

Tbf, Koikatsu character models (such as in LiL) are at least as repetitive as Daz3D models.
In my personal opinion, I don't see a correlation between different game engines and the quality of a game. Whether a dev uses Daz3D models, Koikatsu, Honey Select, AICG, photo-tracing or hand-drawn graphics will just impact the personal visual taste of the player. There's enough good titles using either of those styles. Some of my favorite games are text only even.

The fact that so many popular games are using Daz3D models is probably because it is easier to use/edit existing models than having to create images from scratch (e.g. hand-drawn). I wouldn't even say that there is a lot less Koikatsku or HS games out there though, which are comparable in terms of effort used in character creation. AICG is also not too difficult to use, at least if doesn't have to be perfect, the high quality ones need a lot of work too though (a lot of touching up).

I also find it funny that you bring up the RPGM engine and highlight it positively. This is by far the most archaic engine still in use, probably because the sex game dev slaves in Japan keep pumping out low effort slop in that engine to this day, somehow keeping it relevant.

Tl;dr: You can't derive the quality of a game by the engine or the character creation software used (unless it's very sloppy AICG, I guess) and need to look at them individually.

Half-assed KK games look terrible. Half-assed DAZ games look terrible. Asset recycling is rife with all three engines, creating a "sameness" to many games created in them. There are a very small number of KK games that genuinely look good because the dev put significant effort into the character design, and there are an even smaller number that actually have decent non-stock animations -- LiL has high-effort character art, but no-effort animations, for example. KK has this problem that if you don't do it right (and most devs don't) the characters look like they have no nose at all, and the laughing expression makes the characters look hideous.

IMO HS is exceptional at being painfully average at everything.

 

[BlackDays]

(We may get deleted for being offtopic if past experience is anything to go by. So I probably shouldn't have continued this tangent.)

I'd have yet to see that.
If people writing russian here for about two pages, deleting some mild and interesting ot, would be quiet strange.

 

[Noob Gamer Loves Everyone]

On topic:russians gang represent.
On the second topic: It would be strange to see people dislike or not know about RPG Maker and its games, considering a lot of people childhood or teenage years were influenced(edit:influenced is a big word, more like spent) by such games on youtube, the most good example being Corpse Party and Ao Oni(aka - its raping time), and yet Koikatsu is more popular than RPG Maker, strange, since the "engine" that was not "in medium" would be Koikatsu.
The less said about Honey Select, the better.
Basically there are 2 good ways of making budget games: RPG Maker and Koikatsu. RPG Maker has a lot of trash just like any other, it also has a lot of good games that are so obscure its developers simply abandon their projects because no one would play them, I can name about 4 such games from my memory. Most people do not like to play RPG Maker games for one good reason: it looks far too "budget made" to enjoy it, games of that engine had their place and time, not anymore. Give it 10-15 years and it will be time for Koikatsu to face the music too. Unless japanese decide to drag Koikatsu corpse around like they do with RPG Maker

 

[Riolol]

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[Noob Gamer Loves Everyone]

HS games can be fantastic - look at Eternum or Ripples for example, especially their most recent updates are ridiculously good looking. E.g. look at this animation by the Ripples dev using HS1 and the most recent update has soo many cool sci-fi ones: https://f95zone.to/threads/ripples-v0-7-0-public-jestur.56110/post-14437927

Just my personal opinion, man. I liked Eternum for example, but there is something creepy about HS games. There is a effect: Зловещая Долина(Uncanny Valley), HS games models tend to give me that "Uncanny Valley" feelings, despite the fact that they are not meant to be seen that way, which is reason I dropped Eternum, there is something not right with HS models, there is a feeling of if not disturbing then at the very least unpleasant stuff. Unless people get the same feeling as me, then Eternum and Ripples are good, to that I concur

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

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[Detective Dc345]

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That bastard Sel never uploads on weekends. He is definitely behind on work

 

[crustlord12]

He is definitely behind on work

Speak for yourself, you've gotten beaten to the posts a few times now. Slacking off!

Also, fuck me that's an intense preview.

 

[somedoodwhogames]

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Hands on shoulders (get yourself together!) or Hands around neck (why you little...!!!!)???

 

[Pedro4545454]

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Maya has tears in her eyes and I could be wrong, but she seems to be naked too....... Depending on the context I might go back to hating Ami and remove them from my signature ;-;

 

[Meskal1ne]

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Ami is dressed as in the current timeline
Maya naked?

1. Backstabbing during a possible threesome
2. Maybe it is 61?
3. Maybe it is Prime in well?

 

[Detective Dc345]

Speak for yourself, you've gotten beaten to the posts a few times now. Slacking off!

You are very much right. But I won't be able to get them all for I'm only human

 

[Noob Gamer Loves Everyone]

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One more millimeter and that hair will pierce Mayas eyeball. Poor girl will be blind in one eye

 

[Lux Perpetua]

Hands on shoulders (get yourself together!) or Hands around neck (why you little...!!!!)???

I would definitely say the picture shows a freaked out Maya and Ami calming her down..... Although I do wonder about the reasons why Maya is naked. I doubt it's about the threesome with Sensei, since he left the party before they even got there, and now he's in the middle of resetting the world

 

[Moonflare]

As far as I remember, we haven't really learned too much about the other Senseis in loops before the start of the game (who were decisively not Akira, if Maya Prime was to be believed).

I am of the opinion that this is a misunderstanding of what Maya Prime explained. Every Akira was Akira, what she meant was that none of the previous Akiras could withstand learning about the past - thus none of them were "her" Akira. The very notion that they broke down upon learning the past is evidence that they were in fact Akira, otherwise they wouldn't meltdown upon revisiting memories of another person.

In that same token, every Maya, actually every character, is the real, and has been the real, person everytime. It's just that they're dragged from the person that was in the very beginning of the first cycle.

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Okay, a few points about this picture. At the end of the last update Akira, Makoto, Ayane and Maya were thrown into a "timetravel" event. New Maya was with Ami during this, with the costume that she's wearing for the current halloween. This means that either this is happening as the reset goes on and Maya is "imagining" the timetravel, or that this takes place when she comes back.

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Edit: tldr is that Maya is back from reset event to the current halloween party, which means that the reset either failed/is different or is yet to happen and we're back to 0.44.

 

[TBone9]

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[joryuken]

DID SOMEONE SAY PRIME??!! please for the love of jesus don't give me hope this early

 

[flacc2pit]

I am of the opinion that this is a misunderstanding of what Maya Prime explained. Every Akira was Akira, what she meant was that none of the previous Akiras could withstand learning about the past - thus none of them were "her" Akira. The very notion that they broke down upon learning the past is evidence that they were in fact Akira, otherwise they wouldn't meltdown upon revisiting memories of another person.

I find this much more engaging than the stated alternative, and as you go onto explain it does fit with what else we know. However, unless I am mistaken Maya Prime operated under the assumption that the previous Senseis were "fakes," not incomplete Akiras or Akiras who "break" when remembering certain things. Our current Akira is either able to contain / handle more memories than these older imperfect Akiras, or he is the one real Akira. Either way, something makes this Akira special, and Maya Prime responds to this uniqueness.

After hearing Paredolia's lies this update, I am very interested in the specifics of segment 1 to n-1 on your timeline, n being our current Akira. Either gods were taking turns with different Akiras, leading these Akiras to break as Maya Prime is unable to change their fate no matter what she does, or entities that are "not Akira" failed to persist whenever Sensei encounters aspects of his past. The former fits best with the more recent developments in our understanding of things, but the latter raises questions that have yet to be addressed, even after this years relatively illuminating developments / confirmations regarding the setting. Why our Akira is "special" also changes based on the specifics of the looping pre Chapter 1 Senseis. If the former is true, after much trial and error from different gods taking over, our Akira is the latest and greatest model, able to withstand influences the past Akiras couldn't, becoming a proper vessel. If the latter is true, than our Akira is simply the real Akira --but what the real Akira was up to while the "not Akiras" were running things is left unknown.

 

[Moonflare]

I find this much more engaging than the stated alternative, and as you go onto explain it does fit with what else we know. However, unless I am mistaken Maya Prime operated under the assumption that the previous Senseis were "fakes," not incomplete Akiras or Akiras who "break" when remembering certain things. Our current Akira is either able to contain / handle more memories than these older imperfect Akiras, or he is the one real Akira. Either way, something makes this Akira special, and Maya Prime responds to this uniqueness.

After hearing Paredolia's lies this update, I am very interested in the specifics of segment 1 to n-1 on your timeline, n being our current Akira. Either gods were taking turns with different Akiras, leading these Akiras to break as Maya Prime is unable to change their fate no matter what she does, or entities that are "not Akira" failed to persist whenever Sensei encounters aspects of his past. The former fits best with the more recent developments in our understanding of things, but the latter raises questions that have yet to be addressed, even after this years relatively illuminating developments / confirmations regarding the setting. Why our Akira is "special" also changes based on the specifics of the looping pre Chapter 1 Senseis. If the former is true, after much trial and error from different gods taking over, our Akira is the latest and greatest model, able to withstand influences the past Akiras couldn't, becoming a proper vessel. If the latter is true, than our Akira is simply the real Akira --but what the real Akira was up to while the "not Akiras" were running things is left unknown.

Yes, unfortunately, there are so many loose threads regarding Akira that anything is tenuous at best.

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It's frustrating that we can only talk of the likehood of these scenarios because even the most doubtful will still have some evidence behind it.