Talishan

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If I could try to interpret this stance on the situation, my initial reaction to this is that Sel can't avoid the reading that someone fine with sex with the rest of the class but upset by sex with the wizards is actively moralizing fictional sex depictions based on their real-world morality. In other words, by projecting some of your real world morality into the fictional world and avoiding sex with wizards, Sel extrapolates that when you enjoy engaging with the classroom you are ALSO makings decisions based on your real world morality.

With just this to go on, it seems like Sel only finds your morality consistent if you either:
A: Find grooming and sex with students repulsive and don't want to see it even in ficiton.
B: Don't apply real world morality to fictional characters and are fine with seeing anything.

I see where it's coming from, but I think it's a pretty reductive take. To use myself as an example, this position would find my stance on gore as simlarly hypocritical. I don't like watching extra gory horror films not because I find it morally reprehensible to depict necessarily, it just makes me personally uncomfortable to see past a certain point. Some bloody and realistic depictions are fine while others are too gratuitous and just overwhelm me. It's not that I "morally and intellectually can't watch the terrible thing happen" I just start having physical reactions to certain visuals that I'd rather avoid, given the choice.
You explain it pretty well. For me personally I am just really good at ignoring things that bother me. I can even ignore wizard stuff if it happens, but I won't ignore the emotional impact of it happening, just the repulsion of it, which I can do precisely because this is fiction. I think Selebus must know that one can do things like that or how could he even write this stuff? I don't think that he is that kind of sicko, I think that he is delving into the darker parts of humanity. I could be wrong, but it doesn't change my reason for consuming this media. There are WAY better games for boners. Frankly I am glad that I like erotic games or I never would have found this twisted little horror gem that uses my affinity for the erotic against me.
 

lolzmandude

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Floral Laura was kind of a surprise but also maybe said things I think Sensei needed to hear? I wonder if he'll retain any of it.
 

lolzmandude

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Awwww that was actually kinda sweet other than Ami bringing one of my suspicions into the light. As soon as some of that part was first revealed about him, I always had that suspicion that it was the case but now I'm even more suspicious of it. Though it also might confirm something else, who the person Ami talks to is... which might have been hinted at before actually but I'm not certain.
 

barglenarglezous

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It’s shit like this I don’t get. You present a moral question to people regarding this stuff, your story basically BEGS people to think about these questions, then say shit like that and undermine the very point of your whole story. How can one be a such a good writer, and yet completely disconnected from the impact of storytelling? Mind boggling idiocy.
The author's belief is that it's all bad and the people who want to do these things are all bad people.

The prevailing belief among the people who do these things with teenagers is that teenagers are okay, but kids are not. He counters with "that line is bullshit"

So he gives us a story that initially seems to play into that belief. We get a bunch of girls who clearly have some form of childhood trauma and help them work through it! Aren't we great! I hope they all touch my penis out of gratitude!

But we're already seeing the cracks in the facade, aren't we? Makoto goes from being passively depressed to actively suicidal after sleeping with her teacher. Chika is going insane. Sekai tells us in Stomachache that we are perpetuating the cycle -- by crossing that line with Io, we doom her to becoming the monster her mother was. Miku nearly dies because while she's a teenager, her body was too small and underdeveloped for the task. In a scene that nearly everyone misread, we get a scene playing up how innocent and pure Karin is right before Akira terrorizes her, taking that innocence away from her forever.

We aren't playing out an ephebophilic fantasy. We're watching a man slowly destroy 35 lives. Okay, 34, probably, I'm not sure an eldritch horror's life can be ruined, exactly.
 
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It’s shit like this I don’t get. You present a moral question to people regarding this stuff, your story basically BEGS people to think about these questions, then say shit like that and undermine the very point of your whole story. How can one be a such a good writer, and yet completely disconnected from the impact of storytelling? Mind boggling idiocy.
I mean i wanna respond to this on the context that, it's a video game and these aren't real people so alot of us run those routes understanding that fact while still personally pending user, feeling uncomfortable, yet understanding the purpose behind making us feel uncomfortable -- Edgy writing.

If you dive further into it just read like Deskel post history because it's a massive (TLDR) ((FUCKY WUCKY TIME)). (Please read Deskel theories) But then the post above really just goes harder too
 
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Moonflare

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So to see what Selebus thought about Wizard-s*x I searched for his comments on the discord server.

Sooo.... it seems like he doesn't see a difference between the lolis wizards and the class which is retarded.
We've gone over those Selebus' comments in the past and, without rehashing the whole thing, he's just being intellectually bankrupt (what a surprise). Obviously there is a difference between an adult having sex with a teenager and with a child. The law states it to be so. Is it all wrong? Well, any sane person would say that it is in most cases. But it's not impossible for an adult and a 16 year old to develop a healthy relationship over the years. It's just not something to recommend or praise. My point is, they don't equate - and Selebus isn't idiotic enough to not know that. He's just being a dick.
So he gives us a story that initially seems to play into that belief. We get a bunch of girls who clearly have some form of childhood trauma and help them work through it! Aren't we great! I hope they all touch my penis out of gratitude!

But we're already seeing the cracks in the facade, aren't we? Makoto goes from being passively depressed to actively suicidal after sleeping with her teacher. Chika is going insane. Sekai tells us in Stomachache that we are perpetuating the cycle -- by crossing that line with Io, we doom her to becoming the monster her mother was. Miku nearly dies because while she's a teenager, her body was too small and underdeveloped for the task. In a scene that nearly everyone misread, we get a scene playing up how innocent and pure Karin is right before Akira terrorizes her, taking that innocence away from her forever.

We aren't playing out an ephebophilic fantasy. We're watching a man slowly destroy 35 lives. Okay, 34, probably, I'm not sure an eldritch horror's life can be ruined, exactly.
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My point is that it's just more complicated than being able to put all on him. Both from the complexity of human relationships in general, and of the nature of Kumon-mi itself.

Edit: Also, someone tell Selebus that he can release the update already. I appreciate him waiting for me to catch up in my replay, but I'd rather just play 0.46 now.
 

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I didnt. I have been part of this

We've gone over those Selebus' comments in the past and, without rehashing the whole thing, he's just being intellectually bankrupt (what a surprise). Obviously there is a difference between an adult having sex with a teenager and with a child. The law states it to be so. Is it all wrong? Well, any sane person would say that it is in most cases. But it's not impossible for an adult and a 16 year old to develop a healthy relationship over the years. It's just not something to recommend or praise. My point is, they don't equate - and Selebus isn't idiotic enough to not know that. He's just being a dick.
Imo the big difference comes already from teens knowing what this is about, or at least they can know what it means. A wizard has no idea what it is, what it means or anything. And that is already such a huge difference that i have no idea how someone seriously can even think they are the same.
 
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