gazgiz

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Why have stat editing cheats usable in the game if you are just gonna remove them later on? Does it also apply to urm and other methods? What if you committed to playing after having modified Ayane's lust for the beach event for the secret scene with that mystery girl?
Sel, is at his core a Brechtian. Him being a massive tool may be a character he plays to enhance the Brechtian experience, or he could be drawn to creating a Brechtian story because he is a massive tool.

What I mean by Brechtian, is a media form that expressly wishes the audience to never lose site of the medium (in this case an H-Game) while at the same time also confounding the audiences expectations of the medium. The basic idea of an H-Game, no matter the quality of the story or depth of the characters, is that we are here to goon. Probably to a bunch of fetishes we don't really want to partake in irl.

If you take a game like College Daze that has a similar set of fetishes and a genuinely fun story (if you actually care to take the time), they know that you're here to goon. Enjoy your rape and mind control and incest if that's your thing! Don't like that don't worry about it! Wanna just goon and see any content you want, here is a list of cheats!

Now, over here, it's giving you a hot H-Scene but then you also have to deal with the very real impact of your fetish? Oh is the ramifications of your fetish hurting *your* feelings? Maybe you don't wanna subject the girl I've made you care about to that? Locked out of content. You just came here to goon when I've written that many words? Ok fine. Here are some cheats. Enjoy going back to the start.

You may think that this is a shitty way of making art (I personally love it) but considering this game has 2480 pages of discussion and most of us are chomping at the bit for more, we all certainly do respond to it.
 

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Sel, is at his core a Brechtian. Him being a massive tool may be a character he plays to enhance the Brechtian experience, or he could be drawn to creating a Brechtian story because he is a massive tool.

What I mean by Brechtian, is a media form that expressly wishes the audience to never lose site of the medium (in this case an H-Game) while at the same time also confounding the audiences expectations of the medium. The basic idea of an H-Game, no matter the quality of the story or depth of the characters, is that we are here to goon. Probably to a bunch of fetishes we don't really want to partake in irl.

If you take a game like College Daze that has a similar set of fetishes and a genuinely fun story (if you actually care to take the time), they know that you're here to goon. Enjoy your rape and mind control and incest if that's your thing! Don't like that don't worry about it! Wanna just goon and see any content you want, here is a list of cheats!

Now, over here, it's giving you a hot H-Scene but then you also have to deal with the very real impact of your fetish? Oh is the ramifications of your fetish hurting *your* feelings? Maybe you don't wanna subject the girl I've made you care about to that? Locked out of content. You just came here to goon when I've written that many words? Ok fine. Here are some cheats. Enjoy going back to the start.

You may think that this is a shitty way of making art (I personally love it) but considering this game has 2480 pages of discussion and most of us are chomping at the bit for more, we all certainly do respond to it.
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I mean, sure, I guess people can spend hours and hours of theory crafting, but when somebody brings legit crit into a porn game that has discussions of poetry theory in the porn game, everybody loses their minds....
Like, I’m not saying outright that you’re wrong, and Sel has shown that he’s great at Wikipedia and adding impressive theoretical shit to his game. But I honestly think that the analysis is giving him way too much credit. Dude’s very likely just a pompous conceited ass, and that’s ok. We accept it, since the art is good. The amount of analysis we have here is in SPITE of the writer, not because he’s secretly 4D chess gaming by being a douche.
 

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Why allow players to miss happy events and then punishing them for looking up the information elsewhere?
Because, at his core, Selebus is a douche. Anything else he is, he is on accident.
So a strange alternative I have is to attribute her tsundere-ness to the effect of the circular time. In term of feelings toward Sensei, Yumi might be one of the few with multiple cycles of memories contradicting one another.

Personally, I don't like this theory LOL. It reduces her tsundere character to a mere byproduct of the time fuckery when I really wish she is just a dumbass tsundere.
I think she is just a dumbass tsundere. Yumi states that Akira is the one adult that never gives up on her, and yet she finds him creepy because the way he does that is through stalking and creepy ass detentions. This would naturally lead to the development of a "as tsundere as it can" be in real life. In other words, she's extremely lacking of an adult that won't give up on her, yet her only ever example of that is a creep.

Also, I've read her biography so I know what I'm talking about:
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gazgiz

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Like, I’m not saying outright that you’re wrong, and Sel has shown that he’s great at Wikipedia and adding impressive theoretical shit to his game. But I honestly think that the analysis is giving him way too much credit. Dude’s very likely just a pompous conceited ass, and that’s ok. We accept it, since the art is good. The amount of analysis we have here is in SPITE of the writer, not because he’s secretly 4D chess gaming by being a douche.
I just think it's a strange position to hold that while the art is good, because the author is a tool, it must be a happy accident. I said before that I'm not sure if "Sel" is a character he plays or if he is that giant of a dingus! I don't read the discord, and haven't really interacted with him at all. I'm not giving him credit, I'm giving the work credit. As I think most of us that actually play this game do, because if this isn't hitting, you'll scrub out before chapter 1 is finished.

What I *am* saying is that, whoever and whatever the author is, he's employing certain elements of craft. If you understand the craft he's employing you can theory craft better. But for the people that loath minor choices breaking their saves, or your game bricking bc you didn't see a Happy Event, or feeling cheated by finding out that you've locked yourself out of purity routes because you didn't get a full green run, understanding what kind of thing you're looking at will help you decided if you want to continue.

BC I think puzzles and this shit is only going to get more and more intense from here on out.

Like, I'm not even bringing up the Vivian Girls and what knowing that story might mean to what's actually going on. But I would bet money that the creator of the game knows all about it.
 
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I just think it's a strange position to hold that while the art is good, because the author is a tool, it must be a happy accident. I said before that I'm not sure if "Sel" is a character he plays or if he is that giant of a dingus! I don't read the discord, and haven't really interacted with him at all. I'm not giving him credit, I'm giving the work credit. As I think most of us that actually play this game do, because if this isn't hitting, you'll scrub out before chapter 1 is finished.

What I *am* saying is that, whoever and whatever the author is, he's employing certain elements of craft. If you understand the craft he's employing you can theory craft better. But for the people that loath minor choices breaking their saves, or your game bricking bc you didn't see a Happy Event, or feeling cheated by finding out that you've locked yourself out of purity routes because you didn't get a full green run, understanding what kind of thing you're looking at will help you decided if you want to continue.

BC I think puzzles and this shit is only going to get more and more intense from here on out.

Like, I'm not even bringing up the Vivian Girls and what knowing that story might mean to what's actually going on. But I would bet money that the creator of the game knows all about it.
So I’m on board with the idea that being upset about the shit he does in the game isn’t useful, since the game is straight up trying to get you to stop playing. In that way, then he totally is doing that stuff on purpose. As for whether or not he’s playing a character, I can’t say. But I will say that you can make a game like this without being an asshole IRL, too. Even if we were to call Sel a “character” he plays, given how this game is so all consuming for him, and it’s been years and will be many more, is it still just a character at that point? Method acting is great until you end up yeeting yourself because you got in too deep.
 
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gazgiz

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So I’m on board with the idea that being upset about the shit he does in the game isn’t useful, since the game is straight up trying to get you to stop playing. In that way, then he totally is doing that stuff on purpose. As for whether or not he’s playing a character, I can’t say. But I will say that you can make a game like this without being an asshole IRL, too. Even if we were to call Sel a “character” he plays, given how this game is so all consuming for him, and it’s been years and will be many more, is it still just a character at that point? Method acting is great until you end up yeeting yourself because you got in too deep.
I guess? I agree with you that the game does not want you to play it (which was why I was bringing up Brecht, a playwright that doesn't want you to watch his plays).

On the other hand since anybody only interacts with "Sel" the author, and nobody knows him irl, then I have to consider him a character and somebody who's every word should be taken as a grain of salt, or another way to parse wtf is going on in this game. Like, if we knew anything remotely real about the dude....

But I agree 150% that artists don't need to be assholes to make great art.
 

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sort of NTR (?) we forget about in Times New Roman:
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These are, in order, Makoto/Maki (Makoto looks way hotter with long hair btw); Chinami; Uta. These events happen 10 years after the game, as we can see a calendar in Times New Roman that states it is 2030. This also makes this Sana 25 years old, and Akira 41:
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Lastly, it could be random, maybe it is but:
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and it's annoying the wiki doesn't have a translation for this:
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Edit: forgot to mention, but Himawari's key is blue, as it is her color scheme and the color scheme of the bedroom.

it is also kind of pathetic when you realise Akira spent ten years inside of Times New Roman, to finally be able to break out only to spend another many months in a comatose state.
 
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I'm at "Life of Prizes," where does the number for "which page" in book of infinite pages come from? I get I can find the answers pretty easy but I'm curious as to where they come from because I actually do remember most of the rest. Also where does "eat white rice 23 times" come from? like what in the game tells you you're supposed to do that?
 
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I'm at "Life of Prizes," where does the number for "which page" in book of infinite pages come from? I get I can find the answers pretty easy but I'm curious as to where they come from because I actually do remember most of the rest. Also where does "eat white rice 23 times" come from? like what in the game tells you you're supposed to do that?
I think most of that is from the script shown to you by the angels a bit earlier. It should say 'eat lots of white rice' or something. The random number is on a corner of the script, I think.
 

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like what in the game tells you you're supposed to do that?
Selebus is a douche, I recommend you don't try to understand. Especially in later parts of the game, like "Times New Roman", "Sensei-Quest" and "Waiting Room", if you can't consult the code using URM, or don't mind waiting for us to write down the answers, you're kind of screwed.
Psychoanalysis of Makoto from someone who's taken exactly one psychology course in college:
I was expecting something to make fun of and you let me down by just writing a good analysis, shame on you. We really can't trust anyone anymore.
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To make use of the post for other stuff, here are some other random bits (mostly from the end of chapter 3):
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barglenarglezous

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Selebus is a douche, I recommend you don't try to understand. Especially in later parts of the game, like "Times New Roman", "Sensei-Quest" and "Waiting Room", if you can't consult the code using URM, or don't mind waiting for us to write down the answers, you're kind of screwed.
Times New Roman and Waiting Room, I get. But Sensei Quest? That was just basic old-school JRPG logic.
 
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