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I think it's interesting to analyze that I think Akira just doesn't hate sex like Io, because he was completely broken by being with Sekai until he was an adult.being completely submissive to her, so he stayed with these thoughts until he was an adult while Io managed to escape in her early teens from what I remember.
I took it in a different way. Because of Sekai, Akira literally doesn't know how to express strong emotions via anything other then sex. He has no context on how to love without sticking his penis inside you.

Where Io, rightfully, stopped trusting adults and hating her body.

Io sees Akira far more clearly then he sees her
 
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After the last couple of chapters I'm off that this game is a critique of religion, but a critique of certain ways of worship and atheism tbh.
I will definitely not deploy 'word of god' as a shield, because it is very shallow to analyze literature through only one singular lens, and because things may have changed over time, but Selebus explicitly referred to the game as a critique of religion in early F95 posts. And he spends quite a lot of time on twitter replying to republicans / Christians and making fun of them believing in, quote, a 'mythical man in the sky.' (Dear lord he replies to so many republicans.) So I'm personally pretty inclined to view this as a cut and dry issue where religion is being flatly critiqued. But, again, definitely not using word of god as a shield; the text is more nuanced than this.
 

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The game has mocked the idea of "completing scenes and gathering affection points" enough times that I think green path is a trap. It's also the easiest one to catch someone narratively in since if you did full green, that means you did EVERY event, including the fucked up ones. You could miss a whole bunch of events or just one and be "red" though and that's a much harder nuance to account for, especially if you want to say something targeted and have to account for the specific scenes they missed. This is only reinforced by
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That being said if we're gonna mark endings as "true" and not, I do thing green path would be most likely to lead to a "true" ending, I just don't think it'd be a very happy one. Reminds me of Paper Lily: Project Kat. There's plenty of alternate endings, even a happy one where she makes friends, but the "true" ending is that all of them die. Same with Mad Father or The Witch's House, plenty of "true" endings where awful things happen. Alternatively, red path could be a true ending in that Akira wasn't as horrible as he could've been (except this also doesn't work because you could've only missed good homie or something, but one exception is easy enough to check). It could go either way really.
 
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I took it in a different way. Because of Sekai, Akira literally doesn't know how to express strong emotions via anything other then sex. He has no context on how to love without sticking his penis inside you.

Where Io, rightfully, stopped trusting adults and hating her body.

Io sees Akira far more clearly then he sees her
I liked this interpretation of yours too, since it also makes sense, Akira himself mentions that the only way he knows to show love is through sex, he doesn't know how to do it any other way.
 
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This adds a lot of fuel to the theory that a red path Akira might not be able to achieve the true end due to not growing enough. I guess it could also be a jab at the players, but I can interpret the "everyone else is growing" as every other character is growing.
As someone who also faithfully observes the green path and will keep doing that no matter what, I still cannot in good faith absolutely believe that this isn’t just Selly jabbing players, especially when such mockery almost only happens to players who walk on wizard-free paths and not extensively all other red paths. It’s just him taunting players who choose the option HE created.

There are two biggest problems for me about the general green = canon business: first is that not all missable events have positive meaning or result in any form of agreeable character growth; second is that there has not been an actual and major consequence for these choices yet, not even the most alarming one that is amifingered (but obviously the latter one is subject to change).

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tldr: I just treat all missable events as side quests, shapable futures, and consequences; something well below canon or truth path considerations. Only events that aren’t missable are canon, and events that are missable at best impact main quests in very minor ways. What are the main quests? Save the world, slay the gods, stop the cycle, and sex our Maya (happily); the rest is just whether I want to 100% this game or not and it’s completely preferential. I’ll change my mind if one day a future update gives me an unavoidable early game over all because I didn’t jerk off in front of Tsubasa.

edit: suddenly thought of Karin's example
 
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twitter replying to republicans / Christians and making fun of them
Know a bunch of anti-religious anti-Christian people that believe in "Gods." I was loose with the word religion, should have thrown an "organized," or been more clear and said "I'm no longer convinced that the games position is that all the gods in the game are bad." I would bet money that Sel is a practitioner tho.
 

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The game has mocked the idea of "completing scenes and gathering affection points" enough times that I think green path is a trap. It's also the easiest one to catch someone narratively in since if you did full green, that means you did EVERY event, including the fucked up ones. You could miss a whole bunch of events or just one and be "red" though and that's a much harder nuance to account for, especially if you want to say something targeted and have to account for the specific scenes they missed. This is only reinforced by
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That being said if we're gonna mark endings as "true" and not, I do thing green path would be most likely to lead to a "true" ending, I just don't think it'd be a very happy one. Reminds me of Paper Lily: Project Kat. There's plenty of alternate endings, even a happy one where she makes friends, but the "true" ending is that all of them die. Same with Mad Father or The Witch's House, plenty of "true" endings where awful things happen. Alternatively, red path could be a true ending in that Akira wasn't as horrible as he could've been (except this also doesn't work because you could've only missed good homie or something, but one exception is easy enough to check). It could go either way really.
See, I always took the dig at game mechanics as a dig on other games that force you to farm when everybody is generally just here to goon.

I think a lot of the gating and impossible puzzles that go into this game is the game repetedly making you ask yourself why are you going through so much effort to hurt characters you've grown emotionally attached to.
 

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As someone who also faithfully observes the green path and will keep doing that no matter what, I still cannot in good faith absolutely believe that this isn’t just Selly jabbing players, especially when such mockery almost only happens to players who walk on wizard-free paths and not any other red path. It’s just him taunting players who choose the option HE created.

There are two biggest problems for me about the general green = canon business: first is that not all missable events have positive meaning or result in any form of agreeable character growth; second is that there has not been an actual and major consequence for these choices yet, not even the most alarming one that is amifingered (but obviously the latter one is subject to change).

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tldr: I just treat all missable events as side quests, shapable futures, and consequences; something well below canon or truth path considerations. Only events that aren’t missable are canon, and events that are missable at best impact main quests in very minor ways. What are the main quests? Save the world, slay the gods, stop the cycle, and sex our Maya (happily); the rest is just whether I want to 100% this game or not and it’s completely preferential. I’ll change my mind if one day a future update gives me an unavoidable early game over all because I didn’t jerk off in front of Tsubasa.
See, I don't think of the green choices having to do with story but actions. Like, you're right that the Sensei that red paths "grows" narratively to be a good person, but I don't think that's the point of the green path.

My guess is that each of the purity routs will be Sensi helping that girl escape, and the true ending is what happens after he's finally left in this space all alone.
 

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Know a bunch of anti-religious anti-Christian people that believe in "Gods." I was loose with the word religion, should have thrown an "organized," or been more clear and said "I'm no longer convinced that the games position is that all the gods in the game are bad." I would bet money that Sel is a practitioner tho.
Selebus is actually a disgusting libtard
 

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The game has mocked the idea of "completing scenes and gathering affection points" enough times that I think green path is a trap. It's also the easiest one to catch someone narratively in since if you did full green, that means you did EVERY event, including the fucked up ones. You could miss a whole bunch of events or just one and be "red" though and that's a much harder nuance to account for, especially if you want to say something targeted and have to account for the specific scenes they missed. This is only reinforced by

I think the game mocks you for the point system because it's all you have to interact with it and those numbers can be wiped by whoever's in control at any moment. During lavender's green, you actually are given 6000000 molly affection. You have a certain dinner with Maya, +100 affection. You cheat, +1000000 or so Ami affection and everyone elses is wiped. You 'understand' Maya ain't coming back soon, full wipe on Maya affection.

God's a dickhead.
 

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With only a few days until the next update, I'm finally getting around to writing up my thoughts on lore/meta-plot stuff from 0.46 - I'm nothing if not timely!

There's a brief passage in "Now & Forever" where Sensei starts to think about his childhood trauma. Personally I can only make sense of his train of thought if Nozomu raped Akira, though maybe (hopefully?) someone else has a better explanation.
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Another example of this game rotting your brain:

Wife played a kpop band's new song while I drove her to work, and asked my thought about it.


I had to lie and gave her some generic comments after surviving a sudden and immense deja vu because, my true thought is "this song reminds me of Molly", and it's rather unbecoming to think of Molly when wife was talking to you :HideThePain:

PS. Interestingly, I feel like LiL, a questionable NSFW game, actually does Master Sakamoto's masterpiece a whole lot more justice than whatever this Korean song is.
 

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Another example of this game rotting your brain:

Wife played a kpop band's new song while I drove her to work, and asked my thought about it.


I had to lie and gave her some generic comments after surviving a sudden and immense deja vu because, my true thought is "this song reminds me of Molly", and it's rather unbecoming to think of Molly when wife was talking to you :HideThePain:

PS. Interestingly, I feel like LiL, a questionable NSFW game, actually does Master Sakamoto's masterpiece a whole lot more justice than whatever this Korean song is.
That's about as bad as me almost having a heart attack after hearing Sharou's music playing in the background of one of my niece's roblox games. Lessons in Love really does melt the brain :LUL:
 
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