alex2011

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IMHO there should always be a default value. Think about it as help for people with lack of imagination, something that would represent author's true vision, or whatever. Or just something as simple that people like when they can do something, but not that much when they have to do something.

And if alex2011 answers that choosing the name myself is important part of the experience, then I'm officially declaring that I don't understand this game (but I don't see that as problem). :)
There is literally only one person on the planet who truly understands this game as it is now, which won't be the case once the story unfolds, so you might as well declare it now. Also, yes, choosing the name yourself is an important part of the experience (had to do it, the opportunity presented was too great to pass up :ROFLMAO:).

The default is set to "Sensei" but I didn't realize hitting enter without typing anything would overwrite that. I also didn't think anyone would just hit enter without typing anything.
Yeah that never even occurred to me. I thought people would just type in Sensei if they wanted to stay Sensei. That's why there's always special dialogue for that name, haha
Nope, that's one of those things that just doesn't make sense for the player to do, so the developer, you in this case, can't be faulted when a player actually defies logic and actually presses enter without changing it to their preferred title. I WOULD, however, make the change that Ankoku is suggesting or something similar so this can't happen. It's better to prevent something illogical from happening than to assume something logical will.

I hate this in some other games, "here are five NPCs, name them". And no defaults. Aaarg!

It's not a big problem here, I just used my favourite first name that I use for MCs in games (I think the game doesn't reveal Sensei's real name), it works well when characters should be closer. But it's the same principle, so if the game would automatically use <blank string> = "Sensei", it would be more user friendly.
No, no it does not, hence why everyone here still only refers to him as Sensei, or in my case Player Sensei to differentiate the one we play as from the one we took over.

Its more about how coding works.
As far as I know, you basically write the different reactions to, for example, master.ami.
You write "if master.ami = daddy + script for the reaction"
After you are done with the different "ifs" you write "else master.ami = Sensei + she says 'so, like always?'"
What Sel did was putting an if for "ami.master = sensei" and for the "else" he just went on without any reaction, skipping to the rest of the evnt with no scripted reaction.
I dunno if there is a way to code "if left an empty space, ami.master = Sensei" but there should be, since you still need a "no reaction script for when you weite something like "Johnny" or whatever you want to name MC.
There usually is some sort of fail safe code that can be implemented to automatically default to some other part of the code. I remember doing it multiple times in Visual Basic and the language Renpy games are in isn't that much different in regards to having the same basics. It should be something he can do as part of an if/else statement or similar.

I was referring to Selebus' comment about not thinking people would just hit enter.

Also, as it stands, Selebus uses the else statement to handle when any non-special name is entered. Best way to handle an empty string (AKA the user just hitting enter) in Python would be something like:
Python:
    $ amimaster = renpy.input("Enter a name for Ami to call you...") or "Sensei"
    $ amimaster = amimaster.strip()
This way it just defaults an empty variable to Sensei then goes through the normal check.

However, I don't know if renpy.input works the same as Python's regular input, so he may need something like
Python:
    $ amimaster = renpy.input("Enter a name for Ami to call you...")
    $ amimaster = amimaster.strip()
    if !amimaster:
        $ amimaster = "Sensei"
    
    # Continue the code as normal from here.
if the "or" operator doesn't work. doing an "if variable:" returns false for an empty variable, true if it has any value other than false. adding the "!" before it reverses that, so an empty variable would return true. Never actually used renpy before, but Python is my preferred language for personal projects.

Also also, single = is assignment, double == is comparing in pretty much every language.

Also also also, Selebus, if renpy.input works the same as input, you can save some effort in the future by using
Python:
    $ amimaster = renpy.input("Enter a name for Ami to call you...").strip or "Sensei"
You shouldn't have to strip the string on a seperate line. But again, I've never used Renpy, so apologies if this doesn't work.
I see, it might be best to make this change, though I am also unsure how Renpy differs from standard Python, neither of which I have very much experience with, but both of which I can at least understand on a basic level to an extent when reading.
 
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DrFree

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Nahhhhh its going to be fine. Mostly because I don't see Sensei at all as a Jesus-like figure... Right now. Maybe a messiah?
If some kind theologist would like to draw dome parallels with what we currently have on Sensei, please do.
Am I the only one who finds the use of the Last Supper unnerving and ominous for the characters' futures?
 

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Is this being updated around midnight tonight for patreons? I lost track.
Next update should be released some time tomorrow for patrons. I don't think there's a specific time he has set, but it's usually pretty early.
 

args48

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Is there an updated quick guide? Aka dont do this event before this or don't choose this option. Get x lust before x?

I know there's a wiki and a guide but it's a lot more info than needed just to ensure scenes arent missed.

I've played through this three times since first release and I'm always missing a scene or two.
 
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Satantheliberator69

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Nahhhhh its going to be fine. Mostly because I don't see Sensei at all as a Jesus-like figure... Right now. Maybe a messiah?
If some kind theologist would like to draw dome parallels with what we currently have on Sensei, please do.
I think the issue is more the placement of characters;
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Source: am minister, but not a good one i guess cause i'm getting all Joseph Campbell on an eroge...
 

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I think the issue is more the placement of characters;
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Source: am minister, but not a good one i guess cause i'm getting all Joseph Campbell on an eroge...
:oops:
Never thought I'd see a minister on anything porn-related; it seems like virtually every religion, no matter its differences, it united against gambling and pornography...

Glad to see you're open minded (and a Rin supporter!) :love::sneaky:(y)
 

DrFree

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Is there an updated quick guide? Aka dont do this event before this or don't choose this option. Get x lust before x?

I know there's a wiki and a guide but it's a lot more info than needed just to ensure scenes arent missed.

I've played through this three times since first release and I'm always missing a scene or two.
Pretty sure there is a walkthrough as a pdf somewhere here. I downloaded it not too long ago.
 

Satantheliberator69

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:oops:
Never thought I'd see a minister on anything porn-related; it seems like virtually every religion, no matter its differences, it united against gambling and pornography...

Glad to see you're open minded (and a Rin supporter!) :love::sneaky:(y)
Universal Unitarian, which is up for debate if it even counts as Christianity or even religion; but I love media that has this level of planning and style and general mind-fuckingness.
 

alex2011

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Never thought I'd see a minister on anything porn-related; it seems like virtually every religion, no matter its differences, it united against gambling and pornography...

Glad to see you're open minded (and a Rin supporter!) :love::sneaky:(y)
Not all believers are that strict in their devotion to the beliefs of their religion, not to offend any here, I mean no disrespect. As for being a Rin supporter, welcome to the dark side my brother in support, we have cookies, at least as long as HOPE-Sama didn't eat them all. :ROFLMAO:


Universal Unitarian, which is up for debate if it even counts as Christianity or even religion; but I love media that has this level of planning and style and general mind-fuckingness.
Especially with this level of quality.
 

args48

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I have been a Patreon for about half a year and I am starting to have some gripes about the game. I see some others have expressed the same concerns but I'll share them in my own words.

I recently replayed the entire game from start to finish and feel the game has become too complex to unlock scenes. You just grind and grind and maybe never find out how to progress. Wiki is almost required now or you end up frustrated and hours wasted. I get secret scenes are "part of the game" but then maybe don't make them so hard to find? There are also events where you need to visit X person's room on X day with X requirements (Ayane scene). It requires too many clicks to grind out the menus looking for progression paths. It's become a giant spiderweb of locks and requirements that aren't easily presented to the player. There is also nothing to tell you "hey, don't view this totally unrelated secret scene because it'll progress the game and you don't have enough lust with X character yet!".

Then there was the terminal in the newest update. I spent 4 hours on it figuring out the stuff, googling, searching discord, and finally I figured it out. I didn't feel rewarded. I felt relieved. This experience honestly might make me stop supporting the game for a bit - not because of the puzzle - but because you insist on not sharing the answers to people who ask for them. It seems they get deleted off discord and this forum when posted. Not everyone has good memory or wants to spend hours figuring out a puzzle. You wrote the game, obviously the answers seem obvious to you but there's no reason for REQUIRED secret events and answers to be so hush hush. It's a hentai VN game.

The game itself is amazing outside of this, so I am torn. I really hope the game does not keep going this direction. I think something that would be a HUGE help is greying out events you can't access yet due to missing requirements. That way you can easily see what events you should be working towards.
 

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I have been a Patreon for about half a year and I am starting to have some gripes about the game. I see some others have expressed the same concerns but I'll share them in my own words.

I recently replayed the entire game from start to finish and feel the game has become too complex to unlock scenes. You just grind and grind and maybe never find out how to progress. Wiki is almost required now or you end up frustrated and hours wasted. I get secret scenes are "part of the game" but then maybe don't make them so hard to find? There are also events where you need to visit X person's room on X day with X requirements (Ayane scene). It requires too many clicks to grind out the menus looking for progression paths. It's become a giant spiderweb of locks and requirements that aren't easily presented to the player. There is also nothing to tell you "hey, don't view this totally unrelated secret scene because it'll progress the game and you don't have enough lust with X character yet!".

Then there was the terminal in the newest update. I spent 4 hours on it figuring out the stuff, googling, searching discord, and finally I figured it out. I didn't feel rewarded. I felt relieved. This experience honestly might make me stop supporting the game for a bit - not because of the puzzle - but because you insist on not sharing the answers to people who ask for them. It seems they get deleted off discord and this forum when posted. Not everyone has good memory or wants to spend hours figuring out a puzzle. You wrote the game, obviously the answers seem obvious to you but there's no reason for REQUIRED secret events and answers to be so hush hush. It's a hentai VN game.

The game itself is amazing outside of this, so I am torn. I really hope the game does not keep going this direction. I think something that would be a HUGE help is greying out events you can't access yet due to missing requirements. That way you can easily see what events you should be working towards.
It will definitely keep going in that direction as that is the kind of game I want to make.
It's difficult by design and I understand why some players won't like that. I, by no means, expect everyone to agree with my vision.

But there is a reason I continuously implement things that I know are going to make people mad or make people quit. I've said it on several other occasions in this thread (I tried finding the really lengthy example through searching but wasn't able to uncover it), but the deeper you get into this game, the more it doesn't want you to be there. If you don't want to uncover the mysteries of this world or pay attention to it, why play?

I don't view this this as just a hentai VN. It's so much more than that to me and many others. And I owe it to all of those people to stick to my vision and not water down anything to appease those who think it's arduous to move outside of the box. Or inside the box, in some ways. The answers to the segment you were stuck in for four hours were all given to you. The game literally tells you to write two of them down and one of the others is given through audio in the same scene.

So thank you so much for any support you've given me but do not feel obligated to continue supporting the game if you are no longer having fun! I'm personally happier with it now than I've ever been, and I'm going to keep doing things my way- even if some people do not agree with it.
 

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It will definitely keep going in that direction as that is the kind of game I want to make.
It's difficult by design and I understand why some players won't like that. I, by no means, expect everyone to agree with my vision.

But there is a reason I continuously implement things that I know are going to make people mad or make people quit. I've said it on several other occasions in this thread (I tried finding the really lengthy example through searching but wasn't able to uncover it), but the deeper you get into this game, the more it doesn't want you to be there. If you don't want to uncover the mysteries of this world or pay attention to it, why play?

I don't view this this as just a hentai VN. It's so much more than that to me and many others. And I owe it to all of those people to stick to my vision and not water down anything to appease those who think it's arduous to move outside of the box. Or inside the box, in some ways. The answers to the segment you were stuck in for four hours were all given to you. The game literally tells you to write two of them down and one of the others is given through audio in the same scene.

So thank you so much for any support you've given me but do not feel obligated to continue supporting the game if you are no longer having fun! I'm personally happier with it now than I've ever been, and I'm going to keep doing things my way- even if some people do not agree with it.
Noice a dev that ain't getting swayed by wannabe-critics!!!
 

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Noice a dev that ain't getting swayed by wannabe-critics!!!
I wouldn't call him a wannabe. It's definitely a real critique and I get where he's coming from. But that's a standpoint I knew would exist the second I placed the first secret behind a door that wasn't even open yet.

And then again when I hid another mandatory event in an option no one would have any reason to ever click.

And then tested those same people to make sure they were listening or doing as they were told.

Things like this, things that some people hate, are exactly what other people love about the game.
 
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