Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[alex2011]

I totally don't understand your logic in this case.
What animation have to do with distract player attention from the story or reading? Where does this supposition or feeling come from?
For me personally the determinant of a good game are three things: good and intresting story, good (decent) renders and animation and if the game includes all three at once then I can say that the game is really very good for me.
Of course if the game has a really very good story and nice looking renders and all the sex scenes are animated in it, then I can even find such a game as perfect. And believe that I have played a lot of different games in the adult category and it never even crossed my mind that animated scenes in game distracts me from the story told in it.

Of course it's still your game and I'm not trying to change your concept in any way.

I admit that I tried your game once a long time ago and I don't like the fact that we can't choose a name for the MC ourselves and on top of that he is called "Sensei" and after long time out of curiosity I tried play your game today once again and I see that this is not changed and MC is still called "Sensei" (and I still don't like that I can't call it what I want ) but apart from that I have no major reservations about your game, the story is interesting, the game have a lot of content and overal it is a decent game so I can say that you doing very good job, probably if I could choose a name for the MC yourself at the beginning of the game and all the sex scenes were animated I could even say that the game is very good.

Movement draws attention, that's how it distracts players. There's also the issue that it would attract more of the 'jerk off' kind of attention that Selebus does not want, which further distracts the player because they get more involved in sexual pleasure than the story.

Different strokes for different folks tbh.

While I much prefer animated scenes over stills, I would absolutely miss some dialog if every scene was animated.

It is definitely distracting.

Normally, yes, I would agree. It's kind of like the anime over manga argument, for which I am on the anime side, oh boy is that fun when it starts. People like to watch the moving pictures more than the static ones, that's just how the mind normally works.

In this game, however, animation of everything is both unnecessary and a detriment and, like Selebus, I am totally against it.

We already have people getting stuck on puzzles because they lack information they missed in previous events, the last thing this game needs is to exacerbate that with 'oooh, pretty motion.'

 

[cckerberos]

Honestly, it would be kind of funny if the game let you name the MC but then everyone still called you Sensei anyway (since it's a title, not a name).

 

[Mario4don]

Movement draws attention, that's how it distracts players. There's also the issue that it would attract more of the 'jerk off' kind of attention that Selebus does not want, which further distracts the player because they get more involved in sexual pleasure than the story.

Ok, you can relax and you don't have to once again try to explain this strange logic to me because I disagree with this logic anyway, but I respect of course that you, dev and others have such an approach to it.
And when it comes to who the dev wants to encourage to play his game and who not to attract to her, as you probably know neither he nor anyone else has any influence on it, since this game is available for free on the pirate forum and this forum is mainly devoted to adult themes as porn games etc. so it is obvious that this game also will find such players who will download it only for 'jerk off'.

 

[DrFree]

I can assure you 100% that I can watch an animated scene in a game and still be focused on the story so your explanation is just utterly pointless.

You can =! everyone will.

Dev probably added only some scenes as animation

There are over 100 animated sex scenes last time I checked. That number could've surpassed the 200 if I checked again.

There are scenes with sex that you should focus on the story.
Then there are sex scenes that you use to grind certain points, aka, you can ignore the text.

So for me to say that only part of the scenes are animated to make the player focus more on the story is just total bullshit because in my opinion one and the other do not interfere with each other in any way.

Thats like, your opinion, man. Literally, by your own admission.

I agree with certain part of your response to alex. There will be people like that, asking about animations to jerk off, and we will gladly respond. You just assuming stuff about the dev is what called for this reaction.
I also agree about how this game came to be. I seriously doubt so many people would've found it to begin with if not for the promise of some hot sticky sex as reward.
Us finding out the writing is top tier came after that, and thank god. Now Sel has a livelihood doing what he loves, and we get dem writing, and even sex animations as the cherry on top!

 

[alex2011]

Honestly, it would be kind of funny if the game let you name the MC but then everyone still called you Sensei anyway (since it's a title, not a name).

Better yet, every name you choose gets denied by the game becuse 'you aren't in control' or something. One of those loss of control moments.

Ok, you can relax and you don't have to once again try to explain this strange logic to me because I disagree with this logic anyway, but I respect of course that you, dev and others have such an approach to it.
And when it comes to who the dev wants to encourage to play his game and who not to attract to her, as you probably know neither he nor anyone else has any influence on it, since this game is available for free on the pirate forum and this forum is mainly devoted to adult themes as porn games etc. so it is obvious that this game also will find such players who will download it only for 'jerk off'.

I am actually quite relaxed. As for the players who download it only to jerk off, they're the ones who downloaded it, so they and they alone are to blame if this game isn't what they want. They have plenty of other games to turn to and chose one of the few that doesn't focus on porn.

You can =! everyone will.

There are over 100 animated sex scenes last time I checked. That number could've surpassed the 200 if I checked again.

There are scenes with sex that you should focus on the story.
Then there are sex scenes that you use to grind certain points, aka, you can ignore the text.

Thats like, your opinion, man. Literally, by your own admission.

I agree with certain part of your response to alex. There will be people like that, asking about animations to jerk off, and we will gladly respond. You just assuming stuff about the dev is what called for this reaction.
I also agree about how this game came to be. I seriously doubt so many people would've found it to begin with if not for the promise of some hot sticky sex as reward.
Us finding out the writing is top tier came after that, and thank god. Now Sel has a livelihood doing what he loves, and we get dem writing, and even sex animations as the cherry on top!

You were right according to Selebus, over 100.

The people asking constantly is why I suggested Selebus contact the mods to see if they could add a moderator note to the OP about the stance on H content and animations being that they are both more limited than in an H game because they are not meant to be the focus.

Selebus is getting frustrated with constantly seeing it, you can tell by his wording when he responded. Frustration of any kind is a bad thing, even with a dev as devoted to his vision as Selebus.

Actually, I found this game simply because it went into the latest updates list and looked interesting based on the banner art at the time, which is what each entry in the latest updates list uses as a sort of thumbnail, oh boy was I right and oh boy did I not expect what I found. That's probably the case for literally everyone considering how this game is written.

 

[DrFree]

alex2011
Yes, more games should just adds some pointers for repeatedly asked quesitons. Thena gain, Sel should jsut chill and let us take care of answering unless necessary. I mean, how many thimes have we been tech support, living walkthroughs, and convenient FAQs?
Relax Sel, let us deal with these kind of questions m8. We got your back buddy.

1. At the very beginning of the event, the player receives this warning :

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2. The player can load the previous save, if he considers the consequences of the event unacceptable.

1- dunno man, thats kinda vague.
2- Since we are talking about "porking Chinami" you realize this still means that happened as we have been talking it would happen, right?
Of course, Sel can just give us the option of... NOT doing her events, but them being there would just be a fact, and Sensei being as we have been describing, doing stuff as we have been describing, would still be proven correct.

 

[alex2011]

alex2011
Yes, more games should just adds some pointers for repeatedly asked quesitons. Thena gain, Sel should jsut chill and let us take care of answering unless necessary. I mean, how many thimes have we been tech support, living walkthroughs, and convenient FAQs?
Relax Sel, let us deal with these kind of questions m8. We got your back buddy.

1- dunno man, thats kinda vague.
2- Since we are talking about "porking Chinami" you realize this still means that happened as we have been talking it would happen, right?
Of course, Sel can just give us the option of... NOT doing her events, but them being there would just be a fact, and Sensei being as we have been describing, doing stuff as we have been describing, would still be proven correct.

What you suggest is the way the Koikatsu thread is handled, it doesn't work, unfortunately. The same questions get asked several times a day. That's why I suggested a moderator note, those stick out from the other parts of the OP. Then all we have to do when someone inevitably ignores the OP is tell them to read it. Three simple words would be better than a full explanation.

1. Not really, it specifically says exactly what the player has to look forward to. Chika derives the pleasure in the form of what happens in the scene, but is the bad homie player's misfortune.

2. Technically not, if the player reloads to a point before Chinami gets porked, just to use the context we were in at the time of the comment you're replying to, it would be like our own reset, like it never happened. That's the way I'm treating my restart from scratch, as if I never did anything to hurt Rin.

As for not doing her events, it would have to be patched anyway because of Patreon, so the choice is in downloading or not downloading the patch to enable it. That would put her entirely in the player's hands with all the implications that come with her content.

The choice is yours, fellow players, will you corrupt this poor innocent girl with no knowledge of the sexual kind and a severe medical issue or will you leave her alone? That is, if the game doesn't make your decision for you, after all, we are not in control, now are we?

 

[DrFree]

just to use the context we were in at the time of the comment you're replying to, it would be like our own reset, like it never happened.

This is not a game
*insert Maya's angry face

 

[alex2011]

This is not a game
*insert Maya's angry face

Think of it like this, only player Sensei and Maya are aware the reset even happened and nobody else knows anything from before the reset. Since reloding the save resets in a way that even Maya and player Sensei are affected by, nothing before reloading ever happened.

 

[PeterXHunter]

Maya can cry?

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[alex2011]

Maya can cry?

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Yeah, she's not totally emotionless, she's trying to hide them. It becomes a bit more obvious in a certain scene with a certain object later in the game when she sees it. You'll know when you see it. EDIT: Wait, that was a shot from the scene I was referencing.

 

[Budoop]

Maya can cry?

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This is not the first, nor last time Maya cries in the current version of the game.

 

[anrock]

For some reason I don't have "Progress tracker" button (along with other buttons that were there) anymore in the bottom of dialog box. Any way to restore it back or access from some other place?

 

[alex2011]

For some reason I don't have "Progress tracker" button (along with other buttons that were there) anymore in the bottom of dialog box. Any way to restore it back or access from some other place?

You could always right click to open the menu and then hit either Main Girls, Side Girls, or Event Tracker to pull up the event tracker as well. Though there really should be Event Tracker and Girls in the 4th and 5th spots going from left to right on the bottom of the screen when not paused.

 

[buff]

Just checked out this game (heard about it via Harem Collector cross promo). Really like it so far, and I especially like that there (at least so far) appears to be no time limit so I can just explore content instead of having to follow a walkthru religiously in order to avoid missing everything.

I pretty much like the whole cast but I'm praying there's a scene eventually with Maki + Makato, those two are fantastic.

 

[alex2011]

Just checked out this game (heard about it via Harem Collector cross promo). Really like it so far, and I especially like that there (at least so far) appears to be no time limit so I can just explore content instead of having to follow a walkthru religiously in order to avoid missing everything.

I pretty much like the whole cast but I'm praying there's a scene eventually with Maki + Makato, those two are fantastic.

There is content you can miss based on making certain decisions and reaching certain points without meeting certain criteria, but no actual traditional time limit. You can take as long as you need, just don't unlock certain things without doing the missable stuff that goes with it and you'll see everything.

 

[Dackma]

I have same problem. I've also played over 4 weeks gametime, going to places and calling girls but I haven't found any new content except that Makoto seems to be nowhere to be seen. So, if anyone can tell requirements to unlock these scenes, please tell.

Main story: There is Nothing, Changing of Seasons
Chika: Baby It's Cold Outside
Makoto: Semblance of a Soul
Futaba: Selfless
Uta and Io scenes: all of them
Kirin: Full Blossom

I figured it out by accident. You have to trigger all of the scenes, even the hidden 'happy' events. Nothing will happen unless you've unlocked every available scene in chapter 1.

 

[alex2011]

I figured it out by accident. You have to trigger all of the scenes, even the hidden 'happy' events. Nothing will happen unless you've unlocked every available scene in chapter 1.

Except those that have been officially missed, in other words, ones marked red, yes.

 

[buff]

There is content you can miss based on making certain decisions and reaching certain points without meeting certain criteria, but no actual traditional time limit. You can take as long as you need, just don't unlock certain things without doing the missable stuff that goes with it and you'll see everything.

Yep, and that's fine. I'm too much of a completionist to really like "branching content" very much (I like the N in VN), but I totally get that declining an offer will miss a scene, etc. I just don't like being punished (i.e. missing content) because of choices that I made when I don't have enough information.

A little further along now, just hit the room with clocks, which appears to be the first of MANY "happy scenes". And holy SHIT. This game went from "really well-written quirky hentai with some clever 4th-wall play" to just . It might not really be a "horror story" but that horror tag isn't just fucking around either.

Lovin' this game. How the hell did i not hear about this one before?

 

[alex2011]

Yep, and that's fine. I'm too much of a completionist to really like "branching content" very much (I like the N in VN), but I totally get that declining an offer will miss a scene, etc. I just don't like being punished (i.e. missing content) because of choices that I made when I don't have enough information.

A little further along now, just hit the room with clocks, which appears to be the first of MANY "happy scenes". And holy SHIT. This game went from "really well-written quirky hentai with some clever 4th-wall play" to just . It might not really be a "horror story" but that horror tag isn't just fucking around either.

Lovin' this game. How the hell did i not hear about this one before?

Yeah, no, that tag is not just for show. It really does deliver and it does so extremely well.

While there is missable content that is missed by making bad decisions, the most prominent missable content that is missed in that way does have a workaround. The key to missing or not missing is when you do the event that makes you miss it. There are also warnings in the text itself, so just pay attention and show a bit of restraint on when you trigger events and you'll be fine.