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Well, yes. I'm not saying it's acceptable for a broken person to have sex with a child. In that sense, she's evil, yes. However, the notion I was replying to wasn't that.

It was proposed that "if Sekai had also suffered abuse, then it would ruin her character", because she would cease being this eldritch abomination that was spawned to corrupt the world and bring about destruction, but another cog in a cycle of "abusee" becoming abuser. It's understandable in a sense, because real evil exists. And by that I mean that simply there are people that had the most wonderful childhoods, no trauma whatsoever to speak of, and they're malevolent by nature.

I'm fine either way. However, as the story is going, we have hints that Sekai might have a background in which she also suffered some trauma. I personally don't feel like that makes a difference tbh. Akira's situation is still up in the air, we need more info on the Wizard Maya stuff. Which will still be wrong, but might be "less bad"? What Sekai did, as you put it, is damning enough that it doesn't really matter - she was a predator in the truer sense of the word.

Edit: Also, I like your posts, we're more than good.
Ah mb then i failed the reading coprehention check.Yea i agree Sel pulling the "Oh my poor baby she was just a victim" card would be a terrible decition.
 
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Vega Cifer

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Something I'm noticing on my redline run.

I was able to escape the first reset after only 7 trips to the Shrine. When I went into my save editor to update a Love value, I noticed that godlove was 7.

I went in after I finished chapter 1 because I had forgotten to update Kirin's, and it now said godlove 8.

So something caused that to tick up well after the first reset.
What's a redline run? I be keeping an eye on here to see all the different theories and runs to see the different possible outcomes. Rn i'm going for 100% or close to it, is this like not having sex with anyone?
 

LessonsInDissonance

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I think that people missed the point of this update.
Think about "I wouldn't be able to invade your mind if you were stronger"
It tells you that different beings are able to enter his mind because he is "weak" but what type of weak does it mean?
It's not power-based strenght but rather will-based strenght.

Akira is deep down a person who cares, he always wants to fuck but a lot of the times he holds himself back because it wouldn't be the right thing to do.
The problem is when the temptation is way too high, he is struggling to keep his mental fortitude which is when everybody starts to invade his mind.

When "he" assaulted Karin, his mind was at the weakest because of his depression, which is why it was the first time that he was completely possesed and he couldn't control his actions.
When he saw molly unconscious, he was too weak to resist the temptation and let himself be controlled.

But notice how there was no way around them, you are forced to do these whether you like them or not.

Then there are different temptation points where he is strong enough to not let any Users or deities come in, but there are still cracks for just one person to invade his mind whether he wants to or not.

When Io said she wouldn't resist, that's when temptation made his mind open for an invasion once again. Sekai and Pareidolia were present during this moment, and despite the fact that they wanted him to fuck Io, they couldn't force him like he was forced before, because his mind was stronger than usual, but there were still cracks. The person who forced him to do it is none other than the person playing the game, who is ALWAYS inside his mind and actually decides whether he is going to rape a girl or not.

If Tsubasa really is using Hope's tree to see inside Akira's mind and narrate some events to him, then that means the tsukioka tree is a "tool" and she is "using" it, despite just being a normal human.
If WIRES is Tsuneyo's daddy, and is supposedly a human, then he must have one of these tools needed to invade akira's mind.
If Sekai is supposed to be a human, then she must've found a tool to invade Akira's mind as well, because last time I checked humans don't just have magic.
All of them try to control Akira's mind and actions, which is the same as the player who uses a "computer" to play the game, you're no different from a "user" using a "tool", and guess what, you're a normal human too.

Akira is a degenerate, but he never did anything against anyone's will on his own, it was always someone controlling him
 

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Oh my bad, I just assumed it was.
Not covering the "Niki trade true" part of the event - since that's the longest, but as for the variations:

Rin bad homie:
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What's a redline run? I be keeping an eye on here to see all the different theories and runs to see the different possible outcomes. Rn i'm going for 100% or close to it, is this like not having sex with anyone?
I'm pretty sure a redline run is where you intentionally do a run where you miss ALL events that can be missed.

They go on
good uncle, bad homie, not trading nudes and such in a single playthrough, their worst nightmare is not missing an event.
 

MagnusAxess

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No, you'll need to download the entire game again, the patches only add the files between single versions, eg, 0.36->0.37 patch. Actually, i believe 0.28 is before the rework, so you'd have to redownload the game anyway as your version would throw errors sporadically even if you downloaded each sequential patch by digging through the release history.
What's the rework do?
 

MagnusAxess

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Selly completely remade the first chapter of the game. You can find the original on his subscribestar if you're interested. Can't recall which version exactly but I think 28 is a good bet.
All I remember was him flipping out about something and going off on people and then I dipped, so that'd make sense as that's the version I still had.
 

Vega Cifer

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Not covering the "Niki trade true" part of the event - since that's the longest, but as for the variations:

Rin bad homie:
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And there's the guilt of trading nudes, it came sooner than I expected. I think i'm on good homie since I edited this a while ago, but dang this found found out in like two updates. It will definitely be worse when Niki finds out too
 

Vega Cifer

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I'm pretty sure a redline run is where you intentionally do a run where you miss ALL events that can be missed.

They go on
good uncle, bad homie, not trading nudes and such in a single playthrough, their worst nightmare is not missing an event.
I see, seeing all those missed events would certainly bother me
 

MagnusAxess

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Not covering the "Niki trade true" part of the event - since that's the longest, but as for the variations:

Rin bad homie:
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Good homie still looks pretty bad homie, homie. (I do not know the context yet, I am spoiling myself, but I will forget all of this by the time I get time to get to that point again.)
 

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This is a list of events where Himawari has a physical appearance. She also shows up as a doll in one event, but I can't remember its name.

"room with the clocks", "scientific research", "place she falls asleep at night", "glued to the sky", "three halves make a whole", " a life of prizes (dance party)", "beyond the reach of god", "ad meliora", "hiding in plain sight", "event with the japanese title", "untitled", "rough cuts", "hyzenthlay (not a physical appearance, but what she says as the narrator is relevant)", "fairytale (the end until tomorrow)" (her reveal as a narrator).

Please take note that some of these require either cheating or green route (all events triggered), and can't be seen in replay (unless manually triggered through URM).
Thanks for this, I'll probably go back and take a look at them when I have some time. I haven't looked at everything since the idea that she's a narrator came up or done a 100%. The wiki seems to not acknowledge her yet and list her as a mysterious person or similarly in events (unless I'm wrong and she's listed as something else), which makes it hard to look for one specifically if you don't remember it. I'm sure an hour or two of caffeinated virginity would solve that, but I'm probably not the one to do it.
 

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The best guess at the moment is Pareidolia. Neither HOPE nor Wires profit from changing things, since the cycles already changed from one to the other for hundreds of years. Following that logic, Himawari should have been working under Pareidolia until saving Ayane.

However, there are four users, not three. So a very strong possibility exists that Himawari's goals aligned with Pareidolia's up to a certain point. But they're not necessarily the same endgoal, and she may be working under USER4 instead. Both of them needed Akira to remember his past, and possibly for Maya to be taken out. Did both of them need Sekai to be brought back, instead of just Akira remembering her? unknown.

Who are the ones that sent Nao-chan to help? It's around that time that things start to get really messy, because it's around the point that Akira is first saved from factory reset by an unknown entity - other than USER1 and USER2 (during "untitled") that the status quo crumbles. It isn't about HOPE versus Wires anymore. Pareidolia makes itself known, and other entities start appearing. So from that point forward, it's also acceptable for HOPE and Wires to start trying to change things too (to restore the old status quo if nothing else).

So we're at a point in the story that every entity has cause for trying to interfere. Which makes it narrowing down that much harder (this may include random gods and the world itself).
Pareidolia does seem to have a good motive to have caused the sinkhole, since he probably needed Akira to start recovering some memories of Sekai before her restoration was possible. On the other hand, I question whether he has the power to cause something like that. Especially since it happens right after Wires's reset, so Pareidolia shouldn't be in control of the Terminal. From what we've seen, the powers of the gods seem to be about affecting people mentally, with some limited ability to reset time, rather than large-scale physical changes.

Another possibility is that it was caused by the World Itself, which might have the power and seems to be at least partially in league with Pareidolia. But that probably only makes sense if the World Itself is distinct from Sekai.

I personally like the idea that the sinkhole was caused by Kumon-mi itself. The city is described as a living, evolving thing and it even "moves" (as Yasu says in Pareidolia's Halloween). It seems to have some underlying purpose to it that we still don't know, but it's likely connected to the resets and so might have something to do with fixing its broken inhabitants. Of course that still leaves the open question of why the sinkhole only happened in this cycle, for which I don't have an explanation.
Yes, Akira calls 79/You did it "Long Maya", that's who I meant. The four known Maya freelancers are:

1. 61 6d 20 69 20 6f 6b 61 79/am i okay (shows up again during this update, and showed up constantly in the beginning of the game).
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2. 79 6f 75 64 69 64 69 74/you did it/Long Maya (host of all the interviews, seemed to intend to factory reset Akira during "untitled").
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3. Moyo (eats cockroaches).
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4. Possibly Shadow Maya.
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The reason we call them freelancers is because they change camps and have been seen working for multiple gods (this is an interpretation). Their canonical title is "children of the clockwork", since that's what Long Maya calls herself and Moyo to distinguish them from our Maya (Prime). Long Maya seemed to be working for HOPE during the event that she collects his semen (it takes place inside the church of New HOPE), "untitled" also seemed to be aligned with HOPE. I'd like to know why you associate Long Maya with Wires.



It's definitely possible.

Edit: Added images.
AmIOkay isn't in the scene ("Good Boy") where Long Maya mentions the fourth. The three that are present are Long Maya, Moyo, and "Chair" (who has never said anything). So it's possible that AmIOkay is the fourth, though I think probably not. She's also not present when Long Maya talks about "children of the clockwork" so we don't know if that includes her.

I strongly suspect there are multiple versions of AmIOkay, given how differently she acts in different scenes (or even in the same events, like "The Room with Clocks"). There might just be two of them, as one version of her refers to "The other me. The better one." (I think in "How I Feel"), which could be a different AmIOkay or could just be the "real" Maya. Personally I'm a fan of the idea that each time Maya has been reset, the old consciousness lives on as a new version of AmIOkay. Maybe the longer they've been stuck wherever they are (the wishing well and/or the bottom of everything or something), the less human they become.
Wakana definitely treats her as if she was a plague, a larger than life contaminant. And I see the appeal of Sekai being this absolute evil, a true malevolent person that simply is (which definitely exists to some degree). However, there are two points to this.
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I think we can probably trust the "memories" that the Xoanon shows us in "Mother's Milk", since its role is to be an observer and cataloguer of true experiences. From those we know that Sekai definitely abused him and was the one who initiated it, but apparently also loved him in some sort of twisted way.

I agree the rest of what we know is unreliable. In particular, I think it's possible and maybe even likely that the Sekai in Akira's head is Pareidolia creating a fictional version of Sekai using some amount of the real one taken from Akira's memories. Pareidolia likes to pretend to be others (the other gods, a narrator) and it fits with his name: we/Akira perceive human features (e.g. Sekai) emerging from something inhuman (e.g. a god/user/voice or whatever).
At no point during her first events for this update Akira gave her the idea he wanted to have sex with her. In fact, he tries to leave multiple times. The whole conversation was about her forcing her points on him. When she offers sex, it's a direct response to believing that it's the only way to keep him with her. And that if he refuses, it means he's going to leave her. She's not letting it happen, she's counting on it happening because in her mind it's the way things have to go for him to remain with her. But that's her idea, not Akira's.
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Now, we're all adults, and from the reaction to the event, I think it's safe to say most of us understand that Io's out of her mind. The correct decision is not to engage in her damaged view of the situation, and to prove to her through actions that there is a third way. That way is not having sex with her and proceed to not abandoning her regardless. But we're not talking about how we view the situation, we're talking about how Io does.

I don't even see where we diverge so much in our take of the situation, because you basically explained exactly why she thinks this is a transaction but concluded by saying it's not a transaction. "I was already trash, and this person now knows the part of me I most despise, and didn't want him to find out. The only thing he's interested in is sex, that's the one thing I have left to give. Let's get it over with, this is the only path forward for him to stay with me, and for some reason, I can't bear not having him." That's her logic, it's her last resort transaction.
I think I understand your perspective, but I don't think that I agree with it. I think the talk of a transaction is for Akira's benefit, trying to justify Io's irrational actions. Maybe there's an element of trying to convince herself as well, but I don't think she truly believes it. Instead she's acting out of learned helplessness, as a victim of repeated abuse who has resigned herself to her fate. She's decided that she's a tool to be used, and he's an abuser just like her mother and will eventually get what he wants, so she might as well give in and get it over with.

If this was really about a transaction, she wouldn't be choosing to make the offer at the very point where she is most disgusted by Akira and his "love". Prior to this event, she was excited about Uta having sex with Akira as her proxy. Now she'd rather keep him away from Uta. She views him as an animal acting only on instinct. She has to try to tell herself that "maybe he's not so bad" once he starts raping her (verbal consent or no, she clearly doesn't want it). And if she was really so concerned with keeping him in her life, she wouldn't be kicking him out and indefinitely ghosting him after it's over.

Edit: I don't think Io was talking about her father killing himself and her mother. The "maybe he's killed them both" seems like it's referring to God.
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