Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

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aramaug

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That's quite a lot of extrapolation solely based off the fact that Futaba uses lavender-scented perfume. There are so many assumptions here that need to be all correct in order to have "Yuko aka DOUBT being this she" make sense when we can't even confidently discern what the upside down house really is.

To streamline your claim (apologies if I sound impolitely sarcastic), that means Yuko can leave the upside down house for books and groceries thus can also travel through planes, and got pregnant on aisle 23 when she was outside, and gave birth to Futaba, and had her adopted by others without Futaba's knowing it, and Futaba chose lavender-scented perfume because of the hair of a woman who Futaba doesn't know that's her bio-mom, and definitely not because it simply smells good.

I get that you're trying to fill the blank between "Futaba traveled through planes for the first time" and "There is someone in the upside down that has lavender for hair and Futaba actually uses lavender-scented perfume" and explore a potential bridge, but to do so all of the things described above would have to be true to a certain extent, otherwise the chance of this she being Yuko drops enormously.
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You're getting my point backwards. I'm not starting from the idea that Nodoka is talking about Futaba's mother and then extrapolating that it must be Yuko, I'm starting from the idea that Nodoka is talking about Yuko and that Yuko and Futaba have been connected before, and then trying to interpret what Nodoka says about that connection here.

The things that Nodoka says about "she" in that passage point to Yuko more than they do to Kyoko:
  • "She" has the key to the attic. In "Lavender", Kyoko keeps telling Yuko to come downstairs while the screen shows stairs and "there's something in the attic" repeated.
  • "She" is the one who gets the groceries. Yuko is the one who fills the shelves with new books (so she has the ability to get physical items), and right after Kyoko tells her to "repopulate the shelves", her next sentence is telling her to put food on the table. When searching for something else, I just ran across an image from an old Apollo259 post that shows a shopping list with books and groceries signed with a Y.
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Not to mention that Yuko is clearly special in some way since Pareidolia doesn't list her as one of the five named residents of the house.
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At no point did I suggest that Futaba wears lavender perfume because of a conscious memory of Yuko's hair. Supernatural/symbolic parallels are very much a part of this game.

But in any case, the connection between Futaba, lavender, and the upside down house is more than just her perfume. When Sensei tries to remember her story of the upside down house, he hallucinates (thanks to Pareidolia?) lavender plants over her.
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In her first sexual scene, he compares her to a lavender garden.
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When Nodoka brings up the girl with lavender hair, Sensei explicitly connects her to Futaba.
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There's probably more that I don't remember. Honestly I didn't think it was controversial that there is some connection between Futaba and the girl with the lavender hair. Do you think Selebus intends it to be coincidence that two different characters are so strongly associated with lavender imagery?

It doesn't have to mean anything, but Nodoka's interest in Futaba seems to parallel Kyoko's obsession with Yuko.
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I forget the event(s), but at some point Nodoka implied that she only became friends with Futaba in the first place (which was pre-resets) because there was something unusually interesting about her.

The mother possibility was just speculation based purely on the way that Nodoka worded her sentence, it was not an idea I seriously considered before this update. To me, Nodoka saying "you're special because she was" implies more than just similarity, she thinks that there is causation involved. Heredity is just one possible cause.

After thinking about it more, it's unlikely that Yuko is her mother. At some point Futaba said she looks like her mother, which probably means that she isn't adopted and her mother doesn't have lavender hair.

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Kyoko Nagasawa -i will just believe fdsasdf_p that is actually the name of nodoka's mother-
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Futaba confirmed that Nodoka's mother is named Kyoko in this last update, though it was already speculated since Pareidolia listed a "Kyoko Nagasawa" along with other upside down house residents.
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NicolasL4D said:
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Still don't get it, anyway...

BlackDays said:
Ok yeah. It's probably Pareidolia disguising as or trying to, Wires.
But that idea of mine, that it's Hope, is so old, back then we mainly only had Hope and "maybe" Wires.

The thing with Yumi and Maya maybe being the same person somehow, is also because they are alike in some fields, their character. Also the family situation, or how they had to learn to provide for themselfes from an early age.

And since it was mainly you that came up with the slipping thing, which is funny because atm i'm watching the "new" Quantum Leap, maybe in some time before the game (a period between older cycles and now) Maya slipped into a diffrent version of her, which is Yumi.
But as is said all this belong to some theories i have and they are not short.
One of the only things i think that might be true for all theories i have, is that we might be dealing with just a handful of real entities and the rest just being different version or shards of those.
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What if...
**Putting on a tinfoil hat, looking at the camera just like Michael from VSause**
What if Maya never exists?
She never mentioned any family, she has a strange surname as many mentioned recently. Considering the fuckery of this world, memories can be reshaped in any form. So... No one really exists. It's all just Akira's dying brain created before the death from jumping off the roof. And...

I don't know what to say, it was just a random thought created from reading this message of yours.
 
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(Ass in butts not ass as in this tier list sucks)
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He's wrong about Makoto and Maki having anything less than S tier booties and i find it strange how he put Nao just one placement above the other two wizards... like, none of them should have much ass at that age but somehow he considers Nao to have slightly more? He put a lot of thought into that... i guess.

Honestly, none of his rankings makes perfect sense, i get that it's all subjective but something about the way they're imperfect really gives me the impression that his rankings are meant to incite arguments and debates, there's at least a few glaring 'mistakes' in each of them...
 
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If it's an ass tierlist, I think I'd do better on it than a boobs one - that's based on my younger days though, cause right now I'm likely only qualified for "how much my body wants me to die" tierlist/"how much I resemble Wakana" tierlist :ROFLMAO:

Thanks for the high tier though, LessonsInDissonance - it is always my hope that my posts bring something to the community.
 
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aramaug said:
You're getting my point backwards. I'm not starting from the idea that Nodoka is talking about Futaba's mother and then extrapolating that it must be Yuko, I'm starting from the idea that Nodoka is talking about Yuko and that Yuko and Futaba have been connected before, and then trying to interpret what Nodoka says about that connection here.

The things that Nodoka says about "she" in that passage point to Yuko more than they do to Kyoko:
  • "She" has the key to the attic. In "Lavender", Kyoko keeps telling Yuko to come downstairs while the screen shows stairs and "there's something in the attic" repeated.
  • "She" is the one who gets the groceries. Yuko is the one who fills the shelves with new books (so she has the ability to get physical items), and right after Kyoko tells her to "repopulate the shelves", her next sentence is telling her to put food on the table. When searching for something else, I just ran across an image from an old Apollo259 post that shows a shopping list with books and groceries signed with a Y.
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Not to mention that Yuko is clearly special in some way since Pareidolia doesn't list her as one of the five named residents of the house.
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At no point did I suggest that Futaba wears lavender perfume because of a conscious memory of Yuko's hair. Supernatural/symbolic parallels are very much a part of this game.

But in any case, the connection between Futaba, lavender, and the upside down house is more than just her perfume. When Sensei tries to remember her story of the upside down house, he hallucinates (thanks to Pareidolia?) lavender plants over her.

In her first sexual scene, he compares her to a lavender garden.

When Nodoka brings up the girl with lavender hair, Sensei explicitly connects her to Futaba.

There's probably more that I don't remember. Honestly I didn't think it was controversial that there is some connection between Futaba and the girl with the lavender hair. Do you think Selebus intends it to be coincidence that two different characters are so strongly associated with lavender imagery?

It doesn't have to mean anything, but Nodoka's interest in Futaba seems to parallel Kyoko's obsession with Yuko.

I forget the event(s), but at some point Nodoka implied that she only became friends with Futaba in the first place (which was pre-resets) because there was something unusually interesting about her.

The mother possibility was just speculation based purely on the way that Nodoka worded her sentence, it was not an idea I seriously considered before this update. To me, Nodoka saying "you're special because she was" implies more than just similarity, she thinks that there is causation involved. Heredity is just one possible cause.

After thinking about it more, it's unlikely that Yuko is her mother. At some point Futaba said she looks like her mother, which probably means that she isn't adopted and her mother doesn't have lavender hair.


Futaba confirmed that Nodoka's mother is named Kyoko in this last update, though it was already speculated since Pareidolia listed a "Kyoko Nagasawa" along with other upside down house residents.
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Gotcha, I was mainly fixated on how to create a scenario where Yuko could be fitted as Futaba's real mom and I couldn't do it.

And quite frankly, I was struggling with the said 'connection' between Yuko and Futaba quite a lot if the sole shared element is just lavender. For example, I could say the reason for the lavender imagery in Sensei's vision or him explicitly 'connecting' to Futaba when the girl with lavender hair was mentioned is simply because Futaba wears lavender-scented perfume; that's just how she smells like and thus that's what he thinks of when his mind wanders or prompted (especially in the latter example Sensei even told you why he thought of Futaba amidst of Nodoka's rambling). It's not Futaba reminding him of lavender or lavender reminding him of Futaba out of nowhere.

What I'm getting at is that Futaba left this flowery impression on Sensei all by herself via her own choice of perfume. That's why lavender imagery/the use of the word lavender/thinking about a girl with lavender hair colocalizes with Futaba so much in Sensei's head. As long as it can be explained by something mundane, I don't see the need to force an unexplainable connection here between Futaba and Yuko using lavender, as it feels just like an unnecessary false positive. Without other supporting evidence looking at Futaba/Yuko from other angles, we're left with believing Selly being intentional about the choice of using lavender to present these two characters, and that really isn't a solid lead. In addition, the inconsistency in Yuko's name is also not a valid argument in this matter; it just tells you that Yuko's role might be different from other residents but it cannot be linked back to Futaba.

The only thing I'd give a pass around lavender is, what you mentioned, the seemingly mirroring behaviors of Nagasawa females fancying other females with lavender elements, as this is showing the similar lesbo energy between Kyoko and Nodoka, but NOT proving the connection between Yuko and Futaba.

HOWEVER, I find the attic and the groceries bits quite interesting, and honestly a whole lot more convincing than the lavender bits. I was thinking whether those bits were extremely exclusive to Yuko (like, what are the odds of Kyoko or another person being the one that had the key and collected groceries as some form of rotating responsibilities?), but then I remembered that Nodoka supposedly can only know this via Kyoko's words, hence whoever Nodoka is referring to should have a very high chance to be the same person Kyoko mentioned about the attic and the grocery. The question now becomes "why Nodoka draws this comparison?" Is she just connecting them because of the superficial lavender elements, or is there actually something a lot more substantial deep down?
 
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Huh… didn’t expect so high a placement, but thanks!

Imo Moonflare, DeSkel and aramaug all deserve S tier for the sheer amount of theorycrafting they get into. Their posts really make you think… Also Dc345 for keeping us up to date with the previews and event titles! Legend.
 
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