Right. I honestly thought that Yasu would have put "the gods aren't real" to bed.....
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Hey, most likely! I don’t claim to know the answers. I’m just openly speculating. You both make very good points in regards of the gods’ existence. Especially remembering Sara blacks out too. That’s… yeah.
If I can offer an amendment to my original post, then: is it possible that both could be true? Are HOPE and Wires two very real outside entities, and Pareidolia and Sekai’s ghost are manifestations of Akira’s mind?
Pareidolia only has one believer, after all: Akira. And when he asked the God of Save Slots who Pareidolia was, he seemed to have no clue who that even was.
You would think Akira has to constantly be around for him to keep the entities stable or in place for the ‘Akira is creating them from his mind’ theory to be true, but… does he really?
Restoring his memories of Sekai on the Beach is what ultimately allowed her to ‘reawaken’, after all. He could simply be creating these entities and allowing them to wander.
…Buuuuut, again, it’s all just speculation. We’re trying to put together a still incomplete puzzle. We simply need more pieces first before we can figure this out.
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He's gonna ruin his game if he does this. You can't foreshadow something and then change it when people follow the clues. There's decent clues in chapter 1 that could end up as reasonable points to hit for an ending and it'd be a shame to find out those were all wrong so they could subvert your expectations like Game of Thrones season 8.
What you do instead is once people get it decently right, you add misdirection to make them believe it's something else without outright saying the old theory was wrong.
I've brought these up before but in Steven Universe, 'Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond' was guessed very early in the show once the concept of Diamonds was theorized, long before we saw an actual Diamond. Then they added the story Garnet told about Rose shattering Pink Diamond so people started theorizing again, even though true believers were right about saying her story wasn't proof. And later on, it was proven to be a false perspective as the shattering was a forgery.
Before Steven Universe, we had Naruto and how Tobi was fingered as Obito soon after his introduction. Then after Sasuke's backstory came to pass and his brother was dead. Tobi self identified as Madara Uchiha, long lost clan head and ninja so powerful his mere name caused the rest of the ninja villages to unite for war. Then years later as part of the war, the real Madara Uchiha was 'revived' and he looked identical to the statue we saw years ago which called Tobi's identity into question again. Months later it was revealed to be Obito (weekly updates for scale).
This is an important tangent because...
You have to point out why people hate them though. Normally dreams / simulations are just cop-out explanations to dismiss story that's been happening for a long time (like retconning seasons of a tv show like the first time it happened)
I've given a scenario where we could call it a dream or a simulation, but functionally you could rename Kumon-Mi to Hokkaido or some other actual japanese city and then say time is actually being frozen and reset.
The only rammifications is the expense of the situation instead, now time travel and manipulation is a real thing in this situation and that pointless major physics breaking reality is something that needs to be dealt with (Like if the loop is broken, why can't Sensei control time afterwards? why would he go back to a perverted life with Maya when he could literally control the world and never have to experience trauma again with that power?) At the very least, taking that power so he can't ever lose Maya again.
Nothing about it being a simulation means the girls have to be fake, but it provides a cheaper explanation of why their memories can be manipulated, how murdered girls can be killed and revived, how memories can both be lost and recovered, why memories can be viewed rather than recalled. Why we can see weird shit like characters floating in midair, or copies of the same person can appear in the same location, or why the world breaking looks and sound like computer glitches. Sensei and most of the girls can be real, just pulled into a sandbox to be toyed with all for whatever the purpose of the simulation is without having to actually risk the lives of the girls.
It also provides a great way to make the idea that 'Maya isn't real' a reality (Nakayamas too in my opinion) by granting the ability to insert fake characters that can interact with the real characters. Or gives them plausibie deniability by reframing them not as humans but as something else (Angels imo).
And as pointed out, it provides great ways to conceptalize the alternate timelines and 'dimensions'. Terminals being stacked on top of each other can reflect servers being stacked vertically in a server rack. It also can explain other mechanics like affection points and how administrators can grant and remove points at will.
Characters speaking weird gibberish can be much more easily explained by it being a simulation that people aren't necesarily speaking with voice, not that they'd realise or anything until a happy event or something. Or are we saying Sara really said in real life "dfsi9gujwer0tigf08rhgwrgfdfoudbhjvdiofjgwpodfsdfwfwefwt. And erfguhw3r8rgfqsehfdvgwdfwpgfug." Or is that all of a sudden a video game thing we have to just accept but a simulation / dream is too much?
Dismissing all of that because Selebus said "since the beginning of the game that he hates coma/dream/simulation theories" is potentially swallowing the misinformation again. Has he hard line said "It's not a simulation" and even if he did, would you put it past him to go back on his word in the effort of throwing off theorycrafters?
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Well, again, Sekai has been in contact with Ami for a long time now than we think, so not only did Sekai wake up on the beach, but Akira recognized her existence on the beach. It is much more likely that she was already wandering and talking to Ami since chapter 1 and only in chapter 3 did Akira recognize her existence as real. Because as we know, Sekai can talk to Ami and from what we've seen so far she can even talk to Niki, so the spirit Sekai is 100% real. paredolia was forgotten so it makes sense that others don't remember him and only his one believer remembers him.
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I'm willing to say Spirit Sekai is real (as in an entity that is properly thinking for itself. Whether it's actually Sekai or something using her 'skin' is to be decided. Sekai living through her organs inside of Kaori and then spirit projecting elsewhere in the world is slightly too far for me right now)
And I'd put the Sekai that exists in the 0.44-0.45 halloween timeline a creation of that Ami. She's a bit too dumb to be Sekai and is both a yes man to that Ami, but is denying the ability to fuck 'Sensei' too like it's a self inflicted punishment for Ami until she can convince her 'Sensei' to fuck her. Akira coming into her timeline as Amifuckable is probably something that's caught her eye, and why I suspect she came to our timeline after the reset (Though that triple beach moon theory is interesting, and there's always the chance she was always like this). And on that tangent, I don't know if she did something to our Ami or if she's just possessed / reset our Ami before inserting herself.
I also like the idea of that Ami creating her perfect timeline which includes a Sekai / mom that's alive and a Akira that's willing to sleep with her because that could fit into some of the season 1 clues which could also be the entire reason of Kumon-Mi in the first place.
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Hmmm… Ami creating entire timelines… Utilizing similar abilities as Yuu and Akira to do so…
It’s almost like Ami is Akira’s daughter and this is hereditary or something.
It’s almost like Ami is Akira’s daughter and this is hereditary or something.
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This (the idea that the various deities/narrators/users/spirits and possibly some of the girls are Akira’s psychological projections) has been my working theory since HOPE and Wires started pushing their way to the fore in Ch 2.
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At least that’s been my theory for 2+ chapters. Ask me again when the next update hits.
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So, about the problem I have with the «simulation with a purpose» theory.
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For convenience only, from my part, I written this text in french and translate it, with the help of google and my own knowledge, in english.
I also tried to keep thing clear enough, I hope I've done a good job doing so.
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Well my vague idea of what's happening is Ami found the wishing well after losing Sekai (and Nozomu) and having Akira broken as a result (since all of the Sekai-Akira stuff did happen for real) and made a bunch wishes in efforts to make a world where she can live with her family again. She wished for a best friend (Maya), then wished for the world, then wished for Akira to be happy or something but that resulted in his and Maya's backstory. This angers Ami so she tries wishing for rivals to Maya (the Nakayamas), Maya isn't able to properly resist her since she's literally her best friend, Akira resists since he's happy, things are said in anger and both the time loop purgatory is created, and all of the memories are fucked with (Except for Maya as a punishment, she had to watch his memories be deleted which is what she saw during the scary room, and then it was threatened to happen again)
And whatever the endgame is (I think ending the purgatory world), I believe it ends with Akira and Makoto going into the wishing well to rescue a trapped Ami.
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That sounds plausible, and would be interesting if proven true.
Guys, it happened again.
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That said, I do agree with you except in some things.
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I found this meme in the Russian LiL community
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I didn't count the happy event as relevant information for the character, as I don't know if they had complete memory of it.
Or if they care.
So, I interpret it as information for the player/reader. Like the scarf Ayane bring with her. She didn't remember why she have it, but we do.
Yep. As I said, if that stay as a world building, I don't care.
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I still have quite a bit of catching up left (halfway through current CH4 or so) though, so I'm sure my thoughts will change. I'm thoroughly enjoying how the story is leaving it vague enough to allow my imagination to run wild. I mean I just found out about this just over a month ago and feel like I've been blasting through it so I guess that speaks for itself.
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From what I remember it is said that the Yasu church that worships Hope has existed for over 100 years and from what I remember (I don't remember if it was Nao (goddess) or Ami.) but one of them says that it all started very before Akira was born, so for me having been he as the one who created the gods doesn't make much sense, or at the end of the game Akira ends up actually becoming a deity and creates them, making them become beings cosmic beings that live in time and space, then I could be wrong hahahah
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