Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

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aramaug

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combige said:
I was going to be a man of culture again and read a "long poem about Timur in Uzbekistan in English" but... The one I found was 1587 Tamburlaine the Great in 2 parts by Christopher Marlowe and I was like "welp, gonna stick to Lil for now, it's culturally well enough for me".
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Antosha said:
Tamberlaine I & II in short:
  1. Tamberlaine’s Horde beseiges a city
  2. The city refuses to give up
  3. Tamberlaine monologues, saying he’s going to kill everyone
  4. The city defies him
  5. Tamberlaine kills everyone
  6. Rinse
  7. Repeat
There you go. :)
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For what it's worth, Sensei wasn't referencing Marlowe but rather
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by Edgar Allan Poe, in which Timur looks back with regret on the loss of a young love, which he gave up because of his ambitions for something greater. The excerpts shown on screen are from that poem.
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Staying on the subject of poetry, there was a preview with Tsuneyo that had an excerpt from Sylvia Plath's "Daddy". I believe it was this shot:
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As far as I can tell, Selebus decided to cut it from the update - has he made any comment on that? Possibly he decided using that poem was too loaded of a choice for Mr. Tojo; while it's a poem about moving on after a father's death, it's also in large part an aggressive attack on a tyrannical father whose shadow still hangs over his daughter's life decades after his death. Or maybe he decided it's just too early to introduce it as a theme in Tsuneyo's story.
 
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Antosha said:
To be honest, the MC was always clearly not me. Didn’t even occur to me to see him that way from very early on. So your post made me scratch my head.
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Selebus is guilty of this to some extent because the starting narrative is "you're a random consciousness that has now taken hold of the body of a highschool teacher". In that sense, its storytelling equates the player to the main character. But, well, it doesn't go much further with this.

The starting scene, by itself, shows that our main character has a past - it's not the player that is jumping off a building, it's him. The second clear sign is the "breed your niece" sequence - as it hints that there is more going on. Then Maya is the constant reminder that there is more to this. Each of these, and many more, are early signs that the player is a different entity from the main character.
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aramaug said:
For what it's worth, Sensei wasn't referencing Marlowe but rather
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by Edgar Allen Poe, in which Timur looks back with regret on the loss of a young love, which he gave up because of his ambitions for something greater. The excerpts shown on screen are from that poem.
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Staying on the subject of poetry, there was a preview with Tsuneyo that had an excerpt from Sylvia Plath's "Daddy". I believe it was this shot:
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As far as I can tell, Selebus decided to cut it from the update - has he made any comment on that? Possibly he decided using that poem was too loaded of a choice for Mr. Tojo; while it's a poem about moving on after a father's death, it's also in large part an aggressive attack on a tyrannical father whose shadow still hangs over his daughter's life decades after his death. Or maybe he decided it's just too early to introduce it as a theme in Tsuneyo's story.
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Of course, you’re right. I completely forgot about the Poe poem — not a huge fan of his poetry, tbh. It’s all about looking back on a lost love. Very Akira, though.
 
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Moonflare said:
Selebus is guilty of this to some extent because the starting narrative is "you're a random consciousness that has now taken hold of the body of a highschool teacher". In that sense, its storytelling equates the player to the main character. But, well, it doesn't go much further with this.

The starting scene, by itself, shows that our main character has a past - it's not the player that is jumping off a building, it's him. The second clear sign is the "breed your niece" sequence - as it hints that there is more going on. Then Maya is the constant reminder that there is more to this. Each of these, and many more, are early signs that the player is a different entity from the main character.
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True.

I always took that to be second-person narration—a great technique for communicating self-alienation, and difficult as hell to pull off.
 
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I might be strange but I don't think I have ever self inserted onto a character in the way some people on this site seem to. Closest I get would be something like roleplaying a character maybe can get to a point you are almost Putting the character into yourself in some ways, temporarily anyway. But there is still a clear separation in my mind. Even in those blank slate MC games I usually just come up with a character that feels like it fits the way the game is written (assuming its written in a way you can even do that) and make choices based on that. Inserting myself as a character just feels strange to me. If I did that there is no way I would be playing this game, Id have noped out very quickly. That's all not to say I'm never making choices I would make or never feel the impact of choices. Just that I never feel like I'm the character making the choice, I'm still me, abstracted from the character/story but still obviously intrinsically involved in the process. And the character is the character, it could contain parts of me in some cases, like blank slate games, or it could be entirely the creation of the author in a game like this one. Either way, it is never me.

Its actually quite interesting that for me the 4th wall breaking often Brechtian presentation of this game actually makes me feel more immersed in the game. Breaking down the barriers between the game and myself perhaps in some ways (as counter intuitive as that might sound). But I know other people feel the opposite way about that stuff, It takes them out of the experience I guess. But for me it draws me in, blurs the line in my mind and takes me closer to the characters. Maybe that's a strange way to think about it. I don't know.

This has also got me thinking that maybe this is why NTR means nothing to me. I care about it about as much as hair colour which is to say not at all, its just a set dressing to me (Ignoring the other stuff that often come with it that I don't like anyway, blackmail, abuse, etc.). Maybe I don't care about it because I never self insert in a way that it might affect me personally. Or maybe I'm just like Miku and don't care?

I'm not sure this makes any sense but ill post it anyway because deleting it feel like a waste of time.
 
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This game is sfo fucking fun to play while drunk. I can't do it the ordinary wjay anymore. I don't know if I syould be worried. In what I believe to be the middle of 0.46 rn.

I don't know. It makes the puns and jokes and whatever land better. I catch myself laughing or smiling every 5 lines. Only Sundays though!
 
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So, just finished this update.
And I'm happy that my water paid off!

Anyway, I don't have much too say about this update, except that, when Sensei «hug» Yumi, I panicked. My heart skip a beat and my mind was full of : «DON'T. FUCK. THIS. UP!!!!» .
But, nothing happen, so my worry fell, just as my heart when, at the break of dawn, she «chu» him.
And right after, I'd have to stop, since all that emotion gave me a migraine.

Also, with all this, I stay on my assumption that, despite everything, Yumi just want someone to relate and feel safe with.
Oh, and, before I forgot :
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Urubu do hentao

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Akira thing is so dumb, it messes the immersion. Game told you that you 90% of the game was the mc, you, the player. but now your REAL NAME is Akira -something-, and each girl at every "convenient" case reminds that you just third person viewer, you're not the mc, breaking news: we found out that Akira is mc.
I was ok with this in schizo cartoons and plots about parallel worlds, but now its: "Sensei, i know your real name" - "Wow, you really? Where from?" - "Yea, i too know some secrets, you are Akira." and Selebus thinks "Mmmmm..thats so hot and intimate for the player now, that another girl said to the player that he actually is Akira"...
Why Akira, maybe Sensei's real name is Mahmud Shamsunnakhar. or Alex Labert. or Gvembesh Okafor.

If you want some japanese nickname for the plot for mc, make input i will find something if its needed to girls know your REAL NAME. i agree to have Arakawa surname. But make a choice between calling you just Sensei, some input name like previously with many girls or by some guy Akira. Who prior to logic of your plot was the person who either wrote it for his mc in Koikatsu, or was Akira himself. At least i will be able to choose "Sensei".
i cant even change it through URM, there is no variable for this bs.
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I wonder if he's gonna end up with a scene that people won't shut up about making canon.
 
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i have been playing awhile here and been into the game a bit fallowing the guide but im unsure on how the miss-able events work or what effects it can have on my play through im still in chapter 1 and from the guide it looks like i will hit one guarantee unless i load a save if anyone could help thanks (the event is with rin [my bff lol] i think its involves chika)
 
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aramaug said:
As far as I can tell, Selebus decided to cut it from the update - has he made any comment on that? Possibly he decided using that poem was too loaded of a choice for Mr. Tojo; while it's a poem about moving on after a father's death, it's also in large part an aggressive attack on a tyrannical father whose shadow still hangs over his daughter's life decades after his death. Or maybe he decided it's just too early to introduce it as a theme in Tsuneyo's story.
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