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shmurfer

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Python:
    $ kaori_love += 1
    $ pbj += 1
    stop music fadeout 5.0

    "{i}Kaori’s affection has increased to [kaori_love]!{/i}"
    "{i}You have obtained a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and broccoli!{/i}"
Guess this is something I'm farming now.


[edit]While I'm at it, zoopledoop is a variable that's tracked if you aren't fucking Sara when she explains her hallucinations. It's red path so I'm not getting it but what even is this chapter at this rate.
 

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I vaguely remember somebody (possibly a narrator) asking something like "what's with all the USER2 stuff?" so I think he has something planned with the simulation shenanigans. Also in your screenshot he says it's not a dream but no mention of a simulation(I still really hope it's not that).
 

Pedro4545454

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Also in your screenshot he says it's not a dream but no mention of a simulation(I still really hope it's not that).
As I said, dream and simulation are something similar so he wouldn't include it, and another thing, I think that right here on f95 Selly once mocked a theory involving simulation.

I vaguely remember somebody (possibly a narrator) asking something like "what's with all the USER2 stuff?"
And yes, there is that too, the narrators/gods sometimes make fun of this involving dream and simulation, I believe this is more Selly making fun of people for believing this is a simulation/only dream.
 
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I think this is a better interpretation of a "simulation" plotline and could possibly work. Like you said, the overarching reasoning behind everything doesn't matter as much as what's actually happening to the characters.

I'm honestly leaning more towards the everything Akira experiencing just being symbolic manifestations of his delusions a la Monogatari series. The world is real and everything is happening, but the narrator(s) are unreliable. Whether supernatural or not, I still feel like the Gods are things he created in his own mind, as segments of his personality and trauma that he is splitting away from himself and giving sentience (either real or false.) Sana and the other characters might be experiencing this phenomenon as well, conjuring up their own "gods" because they can't face their problems and insecurities.
The "gods" are real, because they believe they are. They must be believed in, be feared, be dreaded, be avoided, be respected, be worshipped, be feared, be despised, be wished upon. For that is why they exist.
Thinking more on this, the "gods" known as Wires, HOPE, and Pareidolia are probably so invested in Akira because they were BORN from him. They are deeply tied to him and if they are supernatural beings manifesting from within a person's psyche, of course they are going to be obsessed with Akira. He is deeply ashamed and traumatized from his past. He has indicated many times that he WANTS to be punished and doesn't understand why he keeps getting away with the stuff he does.
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I wonder how many times Sel has read people’s ending theories, and they ended up being right or close to it, and he was like “SHIT!” and changed it so as to avoid embarrassment…
 
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gazgiz

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I do not think the game is a simulation/dream/hell in the "positive" story structure version. Or at least if it is, I do I'm moving far away from the idea the idea that it's a "simulation/dream/hell" for Sensei. I'm starting to think that all the girls are as real and as trapped as he is. It just feels that way as (a?) Sensei is the person that we follow into this world.
 

Fire Lord Zuko

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About the whole ‘simulation’ thing, I also addressed my thoughts on it awhile back if anyone’s interested:

The Nao door scene is definitely weird, and it isn't too far fetched to see why one would think they're all trapped in a simulation and Kumon-mi is just part of one big experiment. However, I still don't fully subscribe to this theory, for one key reason:

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Personally, I’m still very much on the fence about the whole thing. The USER2 Secret Room from the Camping Trip is still the best evidence we have regarding everything being a simulation. The fact that different worlds are split into numbered terminals is also pretty weird.

With that in mind, though, as others have pointed out above… how much of this is an actual ‘simulation’ with outside influence, and how much of this is Akira continuing to suppress his memories, and he’s crafting a lot of this weirdness himself? I mean, he does have the power to do that.

Replay Yasu’s “Frankincense and Myrrh” and “Hand of God” events from Chapter 3. It goes into exactly what Akira can be capable of; how with a change of perception, he can manipulate the world around him, just like his father (Yuu).

Oh yes, and regarding the USER2 Room, once again… I will say this. Can we reallllly trust Wires? Like actually? Come on…

Wires might be more ‘Calm’ about things, and less ‘horrible’ than HOPE or Pareidolia (supposedly) was, but that doesn’t mean he’s our friend. Wires must have an ulterior motive. He’s just playing the long game.

To trust a god is a horrible idea, until they give us reason to trust them. And even then, it’s still a gamble. This is also assuming Wires and the other gods are ‘real’, and aren’t just manifestations of Akira’s broken subconscious.
 

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This is also assuming Wires and the other gods are ‘real’, and aren’t just manifestations of Akira’s broken subconscious.
Hope, he looked very real when he appeared to Ayane and Makoto, Wire has already possessed Tsuneyo, Sekai is inside Kaori and Kaori can talk to her, everything so far points to the gods being real since they interacted more with other people and not only with Akira, so denying their existence nowadays is meaningless.
 

gazgiz

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About the whole ‘simulation’ thing, I also addressed my thoughts on it awhile back if anyone’s interested:

With that in mind, though, as others have pointed out above… how much of this is an actual ‘simulation’ with outside influence, and how much of this is Akira continuing to suppress his memories, and he’s crafting a lot of this weirdness himself? I mean, he does have the power to do that.
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Hope, he looked very real when he appeared to Ayane and Makoto, Wire has already possessed Tsuneyo, Sekai is inside Kaori and Kaori can talk to her, everything so far points to the gods being real since they interacted more with other people and not only with Akira, so denying their existence nowadays is meaningless.
I thought Wires was Tsuneyo's father? Or is this speculation that I've internalized as being "true"
 

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Hope, he looked very real when he appeared to Ayane and Makoto, Wire has already possessed Tsuneyo, Sekai is inside Kaori and Kaori can talk to her, everything so far points to the gods being real since they interacted more with other people and not only with Akira, so denying their existence nowadays is meaningless.
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Hey, most likely! I don’t claim to know the answers. I’m just openly speculating. You both make very good points in regards of the gods’ existence. Especially remembering Sara blacks out too. That’s… yeah.

If I can offer an amendment to my original post, then: is it possible that both could be true? Are HOPE and Wires two very real outside entities, and Pareidolia and Sekai’s ghost are manifestations of Akira’s mind?

Pareidolia only has one believer, after all: Akira. And when he asked the God of Save Slots who Pareidolia was, he seemed to have no clue who that even was.

You would think Akira has to constantly be around for him to keep the entities stable or in place for the ‘Akira is creating them from his mind’ theory to be true, but… does he really?

Restoring his memories of Sekai on the Beach is what ultimately allowed her to ‘reawaken’, after all. He could simply be creating these entities and allowing them to wander.

…Buuuuut, again, it’s all just speculation. We’re trying to put together a still incomplete puzzle. We simply need more pieces first before we can figure this out.
 

shmurfer

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I wonder how many times Sel has read people’s ending theories, and they ended up being right or close to it, and he was like “SHIT!” and changed it so as to avoid embarrassment…
He's gonna ruin his game if he does this. You can't foreshadow something and then change it when people follow the clues. There's decent clues in chapter 1 that could end up as reasonable points to hit for an ending and it'd be a shame to find out those were all wrong so they could subvert your expectations like Game of Thrones season 8.

What you do instead is once people get it decently right, you add misdirection to make them believe it's something else without outright saying the old theory was wrong.

I've brought these up before but in Steven Universe, 'Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond' was guessed very early in the show once the concept of Diamonds was theorized, long before we saw an actual Diamond. Then they added the story Garnet told about Rose shattering Pink Diamond so people started theorizing again, even though true believers were right about saying her story wasn't proof. And later on, it was proven to be a false perspective as the shattering was a forgery.

Before Steven Universe, we had Naruto and how Tobi was fingered as Obito soon after his introduction. Then after Sasuke's backstory came to pass and his brother was dead. Tobi self identified as Madara Uchiha, long lost clan head and ninja so powerful his mere name caused the rest of the ninja villages to unite for war. Then years later as part of the war, the real Madara Uchiha was 'revived' and he looked identical to the statue we saw years ago which called Tobi's identity into question again. Months later it was revealed to be Obito (weekly updates for scale).

This is an important tangent because...

Selly has already said since the beginning of the game that he hates coma/dream/simulation theories, he said that this is for weak writers.
You have to point out why people hate them though. Normally dreams / simulations are just cop-out explanations to dismiss story that's been happening for a long time (like retconning seasons of a tv show like the first time it happened)

I've given a scenario where we could call it a dream or a simulation, but functionally you could rename Kumon-Mi to Hokkaido or some other actual japanese city and then say time is actually being frozen and reset.
The only rammifications is the expense of the situation instead, now time travel and manipulation is a real thing in this situation and that pointless major physics breaking reality is something that needs to be dealt with (Like if the loop is broken, why can't Sensei control time afterwards? why would he go back to a perverted life with Maya when he could literally control the world and never have to experience trauma again with that power?) At the very least, taking that power so he can't ever lose Maya again.

Nothing about it being a simulation means the girls have to be fake, but it provides a cheaper explanation of why their memories can be manipulated, how murdered girls can be killed and revived, how memories can both be lost and recovered, why memories can be viewed rather than recalled. Why we can see weird shit like characters floating in midair, or copies of the same person can appear in the same location, or why the world breaking looks and sound like computer glitches. Sensei and most of the girls can be real, just pulled into a sandbox to be toyed with all for whatever the purpose of the simulation is without having to actually risk the lives of the girls.

It also provides a great way to make the idea that 'Maya isn't real' a reality (Nakayamas too in my opinion) by granting the ability to insert fake characters that can interact with the real characters. Or gives them plausibie deniability by reframing them not as humans but as something else (Angels imo).

And as pointed out, it provides great ways to conceptalize the alternate timelines and 'dimensions'. Terminals being stacked on top of each other can reflect servers being stacked vertically in a server rack. It also can explain other mechanics like affection points and how administrators can grant and remove points at will.

Characters speaking weird gibberish can be much more easily explained by it being a simulation that people aren't necesarily speaking with voice, not that they'd realise or anything until a happy event or something. Or are we saying Sara really said in real life "dfsi9gujwer0tigf08rhgwrgfdfoudbhjvdiofjgwpodfsdfwfwefwt. And erfguhw3r8rgfqsehfdvgwdfwpgfug." Or is that all of a sudden a video game thing we have to just accept but a simulation / dream is too much?

Dismissing all of that because Selebus said "since the beginning of the game that he hates coma/dream/simulation theories" is potentially swallowing the misinformation again. Has he hard line said "It's not a simulation" and even if he did, would you put it past him to go back on his word in the effort of throwing off theorycrafters?
 
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