Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[captainc77]

I just finished Chapter 3 and, uhh… what I’m about to say might disappoint you guys. I barely felt anything at all—not because of spoilers, but because I still can’t bring myself to fall in love with Maya enough to feel anything.
For example, I only liked Niki like everyone else at first because she’s cute and a tsundere type, but I didn’t think much of her. Only after the “Glass Walker” event did I find myself actually falling in love with her character. Same with Ayane, Rin, Touka, Sana, etc.


As for Maya, I couldn’t get myself to love her the same way I did with Niki, even after three chapters. This is gonna sound rude, but seeing Chika (if it actually happens in the future) realize Akira was “cheating” on her behind her back all this time might affect me more (even cry because I'm a dick who did that to her)


So yeah… I guess I missed out on that feeling of sadness or crying at the end of Chapter 3 like everyone else

I would put og Maya in the middle of a tierlist, but the rooftop scene did make me feel. Her lines, the faces she makes, and story impact combined for a heavy scene. To me, it is one of the best scenes in lil, and it visits my mind often. The loving acceptance of oblivion.

On the topic of mid tier characters though, I found this gem on YT the other day. I say mid tier, but Miku was one of my favorites for a while.

Spoiler: song

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[TheGoodPastor]

Valid, Ayane is an absolute steal.
Total treasure.

As far as the loyal routes go she's absolutely in my top 5 for anticipation.

Top three for me.

Yuki's number one, 'cos there's a layer on top of Yuki of how Sensei and Yumi's relationship develops in that scenario - assuming it does and Sel doesn't just focus almost entirely on Yuki since it's her route.

 

[shmurfer]

All that being said yeah, I think it's pretty clear that as far as Sensei goes his feelings are/were stronger for Maya Prime than anyone, including Niki - which is further proof that he's completely insane because Ayane is right there

I'd say he's closer to Ayane than Niki. Call it a problem with dev planning if you want, but how out of his way has Akira gone for Niki like he has for Ayane?

Staying the night with her early in Chapter 1 without even fucking a very willing but crying Ayane, breaking free of reset mania to soothe a scared Ayane, being strong for her after potentially losing Maya for the first time. Giving Ayane the list, calling Ayane first upon waking up from his coma (then spending a week with Ami before even calling Niki), not shooting down Ayane's requests including getting married, acknowledging how much work Ayane is putting into solving the world after Prime was gone and then fucking her so loudly all of the people in the slumber party heard her.

I dont think anybody was really sad over Maya's "death"

There definitely is. I can tell either from their responses to CH3's ending or the too soon worthy jab I took once.

But then again I'm one of the only people I've seen who's excited for the upcoming Maya events. Everyone else still thinks she's stuck in sex mode.

 

[jclark1337]

Anyone who finds Maya annoying or a bitch are not true tsundere appreciaters. She is the pinnacle. Yumi may be a perfect by-the-books tsundere but Maya takes the trope and nearly apotheosizes it.

Spoiler: MAJOR MAYA SPOILERS TO CH3 - vague and idealized recap of Maya's perspective I sent to a friend awhile back

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I think shes a fantastic example of the star-crossed lover trope mixed with an extreme tsundere aspect that's driven by the plot.
To those that don't appreciate her, you just like... don't get it man

 

[Detective Dc345]

I'd say he's closer to Ayane than Niki. Call it a problem with dev planning if you want, but how out of his way has Akira gone for Niki like he has for Ayane?

Staying the night with her early in Chapter 1 without even fucking a very willing but crying Ayane, breaking free of reset mania to soothe a scared Ayane, being strong for her after potentially losing Maya for the first time. Giving Ayane the list, calling Ayane first upon waking up from his coma (then spending a week with Ami before even calling Niki), not shooting down Ayane's requests including getting married, acknowledging how much work Ayane is putting into solving the world after Prime was gone and then fucking her so loudly all of the people in the slumber party heard her.



There definitely is. I can tell either from their responses to CH3's ending or the too soon worthy jab I took once.

But then again I'm one of the only people I've seen who's excited for the upcoming Maya events. Everyone else still thinks she's stuck in sex mode.

I still think Maya's "death" was just a subversion of expectations and the "death" flags were there for a long time. After she didn't make it to the rooftop the first time, we knew something bad was going to happen to her. But Sel made it seem like she really died, only for her to be back the next update. I think Sel should've held out on Maya's return. I know it's supposed to mirror Maya-prime breaking past Sensei's. But if there was no Maya for a while it would've made the "death" more impactful imo. And when she got reset I think she should've been written like how she was in Baby Finches.

 

[jclark1337]

I still think Maya's "death" was just a subversion of expectations and the "death" flags were there for a long time. After she didn't make it to the rooftop the first time, we knew something bad was going to happen to her. But Sel made it seem like she really died, only for her to be back the next update. I think Sel should've held out on Maya's return. I know it's supposed to mirror Maya-prime breaking past Sensei's. But if there was no Maya for a while it would've made the "death" more impactful imo. And when she got reset I think she should've been written like how she was in Baby Finches.

Would've made that scene in particular more impactful, but I feel like it would've lessened Sensei's post-traumatic response and meaning of the following depression arc having to constantly be reminded of "losing" her.

 

[DeSkel15]

Speaking of Ayane and Maya:

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[TheGoodPastor]

But then again I'm one of the only people I've seen who's excited for the upcoming Maya events. Everyone else still thinks she's stuck in sex mode.

I'm super hyped for more Maya now that she's acknowledging the situation. People are too harsh on Nu Maya, I quite like her, and it's interesting to see what Maya was originally like.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Would've made that scene in particular more impactful, but I feel like it would've lessened Sensei's post-traumatic response and meaning of the following depression arc having to constantly be reminded of "losing" her.

While I agree, I still feel the same thing could happen if Maya was just not there. Maya could've been gone for however long and Sensei is still bummed and depressed only for the one of the things he wanted the most to comeback just for it not to be the same and it would've been a deeper gut punch. Then it could lead into the whole Sensei ghosting Maya arc and whatnot.

 

[SlidingSubject]

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It will DEFINITELY make it worse.

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[alteros]

I was trying to figure out where I fall on whether or not I actually liked Maya before realizing that it's less that I dislike her in particular and more that I'm sad that she's basically a big wall to character progression. Especially with Nu Maya, Ayane really did put it well, there comes a point when fighting a losing battle gets to you.

I really like Ayane and Niki but I also just can't see their stories progressing any further without Sensei progressing and that's walled behind Maya and I feel that road inevitably leads him to Maya. But Nu Maya didn't go through all the shit Maya Prime did so like Ayane said it doesn't feel like she deserves it. It's not just Ayane and Niki though, Rin and Io's dates and first kisses also felt lackluster and I don't think that was just because of the individual writing around those events.

Ah well, at least Ayane was great this patch. Both choosing Ayane for everything and goth Ayane were super great so I'm alright with this patch. Nu Maya is also growing on me but that still isn't enough to put her over Ayane or even Niki now. I wonder if I'd want Maya Prime back then? I feel like something that heavy would have to be the end of this route though.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

So excluding happy entities who tend to only be step above the background character/angel look, is Chiaki (Chika's mom who I was certain, until I double checked just now, was named Chise) the only character other than Sekai to get a unique model but not be a Main/Side girl? I feel like that's kind of weird. I'm kinda expecting her to become a thing eventually, probably when my much anticipated Chika breaking happens (one of the things I'm looking forward to the most in the 4 updates I haven't played yet are the Chika events because dear god do I just want her plot to actually move pas the single note she's been stuck on)

If you exclude Himawari (who also has an unique model but not be a Main/Side girl), then yes Chiaki is currently the only one background character that has this treatment iirc (not counting all the cross-over characters, including those from NiB). My guess is that Selly did make her model early but for the sole purpose of making her "first debut" in the form of a framed photo look authentic; she just ends up being useful again much later on for storytelling purposes. Because of this, it might not be able to prove that Selly does have future hardcore uses for Chiaki just because her model is uniquely available. But hey, her model is readily available for something horrible, so you might still guess it right in that regard.

Who were they talking about ?

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That's dev's petty jab at other devs who swim in the similar water, calling people copycats, sellouts, mimics, amongst other things. It's his way of jerking his ego off; don't worry about it as it has absolutely zero in-story value.

 

[shmurfer]

I really like Ayane and Niki but I also just can't see their stories progressing any further without Sensei progressing and that's walled behind Maya and I feel that road inevitably leads him to Maya. But Nu Maya didn't go through all the shit Maya Prime did so like Ayane said it doesn't feel like she deserves it. It's not just Ayane and Niki though, Rin and Io's dates and first kisses also felt lackluster and I don't think that was just because of the individual writing around those events.

Ah well, at least Ayane was great this patch. Both choosing Ayane for everything and goth Ayane were super great so I'm alright with this patch. Nu Maya is also growing on me but that still isn't enough to put her over Ayane or even Niki now. I wonder if I'd want Maya Prime back then? I feel like something that heavy would have to be the end of this route though.

You should like the next update then. Unless Sel just shits the bed with the writing, he's set Niki up to have a confrontation about Akira fucking his students next update. Half of the invite events in 0.47 had Niki there, including one where he fucks Sana while Niki is supposedly off camera in the shower, but then has a moment where there isn't a warm bath for Akira to use after his shower. This isn't a thing that normally happens in Japan, she was very likely watching them.

Of course Nu Maya isn't higher than Ayane or Niki yet, next update is going to be the first time you're really gonna interact with her. The other times was a Maya that wasn't listening, which stopped over 0.44 - 0.46. And she asked that her date ends with orgasms.
I think Maya Prime coming back at the end of Ch.4 is very likely, but I'm also thinking we're gonna have a reset at Halloween and this time it's not going to end Ch.4, otherwise the name of the chapter doesn't make sense.

P.s: Io date was peak. Considering all of her hangups, it went about as fantastically as it could have gone. I'm only sad that both red and green path had the same ending. Rins date was just a promoted dorm event.

 

[Hungnoxu]

I think everyone r being a little too harsh on Niki to judge who Akira loves more. She started really really late and has a huge disadvantages. While Ayane and Maya appeared from the beginning and later became a part of "End of the world" team. Three of them especially Maya and Akira spent alot time together to go through this "End of the world" thing, a special situation that no normal people could experience. So all of that give Maya Prime, Ayane, Akira have a special relationship together without the need of pre-amnesia memories.

For Niki, I kinda understand why everyone said shes gonna need full-memory Akira in order to be on par with Maya Prime. She doesnt experience the "End of the world" with Akira, guide him through it or anything special. Shes a real normal person at the end of the day, all she could do r being there for him, guide him through rough times and assure a safe place for him. Which is pretty much not that special compare to other girls. Shes only shine the moments past memories come back and Akira feel something click in his heart such as back when he first read Niki's letter or in "Glasswalker".

I still stand with my points, 16 events only for Niki and the first 6 probably only a set-up for Glasswalker. Sel r holding Niki back really hard at the moment. I just wish that Niki will have special memories with Akira at the current time same as Maya so that she wont rely on memories anymore. Because if all the memories come back to Akira, theres no "on par with Maya Prime", thats gonna be a huge sweep for Niki, mark my wordddssss.

Edit: oh I forgot, Akira push Niki away most of the times because shes too good for him and doesnt want her to suffer more because of him too.
And she also spend much less time with Akira than other students of him too. Shes an adult, has a job and apparently in the "side girl" section... Fuck

 

[Bingoogus]

Our little angel... that scene melted my wretched heart...

 

[Squalicorax]

If you exclude Himawari

I cannot belief I forgot Himawari. I love Himawari. I have to repent.

But the exceptions being Himawari, Sekai, and Chiaki I think really does make Chiaki stand out, even if it does happen to be what I believe TV Tropes would consider "Early Installment Weirdness." I think Selly would be silly not to take advantage of her having a model considering all the other dead family members running around at this point. I also just think it's funny she has a model and Rie, a living woman who arguably has a bigger narrative presence, does not. Get owned Rie

 

[zeroobliv]

Who were they talking about ?

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When I first saw this I couldn't help but laugh my ass off how ironic and petty this guy is considering he's copying things from other denpa games. He is no better than anyone else that wants to create these types of games.

 

[Detective Dc345]

I cannot belief I forgot Himawari. I love Himawari. I have to repent.

But the exceptions being Himawari, Sekai, and Chiaki I think really does make Chiaki stand out, even if it does happen to be what I believe TV Tropes would consider "Early Installment Weirdness." I think Selly would be silly not to take advantage of her having a model considering all the other dead family members running around at this point. I also just think it's funny she has a model and Rie, a living woman who arguably has a bigger narrative presence, does not. Get owned Rie

He doesn't want to play his hand too early. My theory is Rie Rokuhara is the hot mom and Sel is purposely hiding her from us. Two Rokuharas is not enough, we need three or four in game.

 

[Visqueza]

There is most likely an answer for this but I'm not going through 2775 pages... 215 days have past and it says the world is broken... what do I even do now lol!
Edit: 10 points with god and you can return back to school on a sunday

 

[shmurfer]

There is most likely an answer for this but I'm not going through 2775 pages... 215 days have past and it says the world is broken... what do I even do now lol!
Edit: 10 points with god and you can return back to school on a sunday

You should get the guide mod and read the puzzle guide. Might have already missed events though.