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Thank you for all the explanation and detailing everything in an extraordinary way, I was able to understand the whole theory, and it makes a lot of sense. I wasn't very hopeful about Maya Prime's return, but with this theory I got much more excited! So, in short, Maya is trapped in heaven (classroom) with AImOkay. Do you have any idea how she could get out of there? Something related to the scarf of the alternative Maya Prime that Himawari took? Sorry for the thousand questions, I saw that you understand a lot about the story and I wanted to understand it too.
shmurfer
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No one knows. Sel decides the rules. Maybe we break her out, maybe Akira earns her way out.
I think I figured out what feels off to me about chapter 4. The chapter feels like that one season of a show where an obscure Youtuber makes a 5-hour long video essay titled: "___'s newest season was filled with the highest highs and lowest lows."
On one hand, some of the best moments in the entire game happens in this chapter, recontextualizing all once thought to be true without making it feel like a retcon.
On the other hand, it really feels like the characters have been on autopilot most of the chapter. For example:
And in cases where a character does do something, it sort of feels rushed. For example:
It really feels like the chapter is building up to something big, but the characters aren't where they need to be emotionally and mentally for it, and there's a fuck ton of characters to write for so it has this weird feeling of simultaneously being long and rushed at the same time. If this all feels shoddily written, that's because it is. It's just an emotional spew as I work out why Chapter 4 feels so weird to me.
On one hand, some of the best moments in the entire game happens in this chapter, recontextualizing all once thought to be true without making it feel like a retcon.
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On the other hand, it really feels like the characters have been on autopilot most of the chapter. For example:
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And in cases where a character does do something, it sort of feels rushed. For example:
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It really feels like the chapter is building up to something big, but the characters aren't where they need to be emotionally and mentally for it, and there's a fuck ton of characters to write for so it has this weird feeling of simultaneously being long and rushed at the same time. If this all feels shoddily written, that's because it is. It's just an emotional spew as I work out why Chapter 4 feels so weird to me.
Detective Dc345
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Since we know Himawari is going around collecting things and putting thing sin places to make events in the time loop happen I.E Maya's scarf. Does that mean Shota getting shanked is canon to the time loop? Also does that mean Himawari stabs Shota every reset? Also also does that mean the last thing Shota hears is "Business as usual Cheif"?
Yes, because otherwise Otoha wouldn't even be an option if she found Shota first.
Detective Dc345
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I honestly think Shota's death prevented a Yaoi turn so sharp that it would've made Nozomou turn in his grave.
If by "a single scene" you mean 20 scenes and an entire character arc then yes!
As previously discussed the even greater issue is her full corruption being optional. How do you even write the game world going forward? Do Sara and Haruka just ghost you until the next reset?
Actually, does anyone know if you can still call Sara if you didn't do Nodokathon? Might be a pretty big clue as to how things well be handled going forward.
I mean, that doesn't actually change my point. I think there should be 21 scenes and an entire character arc. As for the other parts, I don't know what would change with the story if you don't undergo the Sana corruption arc. It's such a massive part of the narrative that thinking of an alternative feels kind of wrong in a way. Especially with how well its set up and carried through.
I just think her going as far as she did in Nodokathon is a bit rushed. There is a massive jump in mental degradation needed between fucking Akira and streaming her sex tape to her mom that an extra scene of her deteriorating innocence would have helped make a tighter chain of events.
I think you misunderstood my point. You need a lot more than 1 scene to get Sana to where she is now and the writing suffers a lot because of it.
LucioNeri
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Things about last update:
Paredolia lives... At least it seems like Yumi can handle it for now. Besides it seems it can't be (or doesn't want to be) near Io?
It's more evident in the green path but it's clear that Nodaka is desperate to find a way to "break" the world and either a fragment of the her that achieved it or Himawari (because I don't think was her mother) is preventing it.
So Sekai is the reason Wires returned after he fail to take out all the other gods with the reset. Well, that explains why he has to be more active now.
Back to Io and adding Uta... are they resistant to the supernatural? I don't think that hole is just the sinkhole the other school fell into, and I also think Io has been in a similar situation in other events, as has Uta. I feel like that both of them are the ones who best represent the argument that most things are in Akira's head.
Also Sana is a monster, but because I am on a red path she is a more self-controlled monster.
Paredolia lives... At least it seems like Yumi can handle it for now. Besides it seems it can't be (or doesn't want to be) near Io?
It's more evident in the green path but it's clear that Nodaka is desperate to find a way to "break" the world and either a fragment of the her that achieved it or Himawari (because I don't think was her mother) is preventing it.
So Sekai is the reason Wires returned after he fail to take out all the other gods with the reset. Well, that explains why he has to be more active now.
Back to Io and adding Uta... are they resistant to the supernatural? I don't think that hole is just the sinkhole the other school fell into, and I also think Io has been in a similar situation in other events, as has Uta. I feel like that both of them are the ones who best represent the argument that most things are in Akira's head.
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Also Sana is a monster, but because I am on a red path she is a more self-controlled monster.
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You can still call her or visit her in the bar if you didn't do Nodokathon. Per usual Selly practices though, path differences might be
AKA, green path Sara might somehow, after a heated confrontation, come to terms with Sensei fucking her daughter and be back onto speaking terms, merging the two paths together. It would be interesting if green path Sara stays indefinitely blocked, keeping the difference between green and red path until the next reset or the next phase even. It would very interesting if red path Sara later also finds out Sensei fucking Sana in a different context, leading to the same seemingly indefinite sarablock. Alas, neither of those things haven’t happened before.
shmurfer
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Doesn't matter as much as you might think. It wouldn't be the first time a character block appears in an unrelated place. You can go to Yuki's apartment to confront her skipping out on work, then go through a halloween reset and a christmas party, but once you put your penis inside of Sana then you can't see Yuki anymore since she's MIA apparently..
I think people are missing some stuff because they're focused on the disgust about Nodokathon as a whole. (I'm guilty of being lazy and not getting my 0.49 observations out to highlight some of this sooner.)
There's a big jump in Sana's progress because Akira intervened and did a big jump by trying to fuck Sana, and in the process telling Sana that he loved her. In the heat of things she wanted to cum more than she wanted to feel, but afterward she tried bringing it up before Akira shut her down saying he said something stupid. Maybe there's some fight happening between the Sana that wants to cum and the Sana that loves Akira, but she saw a chance to get what she wanted.
The whole reason she participated in Nodokathon 2 is to get Akira to say he loves her again, at all costs. Hopefully we can learn more about how what she did to Sara is supposed to lead to that. I can make guesses about how much she thinks Akira values sex of course, but she's hiding some things.
Btw I fucking hate Sana's character now. I could have liked Yumi's progress, but it still fell flat for some reason.
Sel's really feeling the pressure living in Texas huh
Sel's really feeling the pressure living in Texas huh
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And so we begin anew!
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TheGoodPastor
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The scarf thing is, yeah. It's not really an event per se, just a very short scene at the end of Post Nut Clarity that requires 3000(?) Ayane affection to see where Himawari asks Ayane if she can have her scarf, which happens to be the one alternate Maya Prime gave her to give to Nu Maya (which Ayane has obviously forgotten about).
Presumably it'll pop up again when Sensei and Nu Maya have their date.
bluemonkey
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The fuck? How is anyone supposed to legitimately get that?
Are there other absurdly high affection event/dialog triggers?
barglenarglezous
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Dedication. Some tape to hold down the skip button and a few hours of free time. Easy.
Or do what the reasonable people do and use a save editor or the Universal Renpy Mod to hardwire the value.
shmurfer
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Some people are just crazy
There are currently 3 'absurd' checks in the game, and they're all based on Ayane's affection. Scientific Research in Chapter 1 lets you have a Himawari scene at 2000 affection, in Chapter 4 Miserably Ever After you get a 4th option to pick music while everyone else has their xmas party while Akira is in a coma at 3000 affection, and then the scarf scene in post nut clarity also with 3000 affection.
Some people use a save editor, which is honestly the worst option. Some people use the console which works. But by far the most popular option is using URM, and most people just use the path detection to see hidden dialogue rather than editing their variables, at least if they're listening to warnings that Sel could do some sanity checks on your stats at any time and flag you as a cheater if they find something wrong (URM can edit variables though)