Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[saerav]

I just dragged the mp3s out of the game file onto my phone

 

[DeSkel15]

My interpretation is different. Personally, I believe "maincharacter" is a representation of Sara's despondence and loneliness. She always wanted to be truly loved, and no one really did. She wanted to be someone's main character and never was. So basically, it's a sadder version because her true feelings are coming through.

Whereas "sidecharacter", the original version, is more cheerful, even though it's still delicate and wistful because she's masking her feelings under a veneer of acceptance. You can see this clearly in more recent events.

Tell Me When;
The Place She Falls Asleep At Night;
Nicolas Cage.



Mmm, possibly. Most of the main girls have suffered a lot from what we know. I'll try to assign grades of suffering, to simplify things (an assholish thing to do, but I'm in a hurry and these are fictional characters). This will be mostly a stream-of-consciousness thing because I must hurry

Sensei, a poor bastard. Grade S+(ensei) suffering.

Chika, B+ suffering, mother died, sister sick super sick possibly dead in a few

Yumi, A- suffering, mother is a junkie, father is a criminal pos, dogshit childhood etc

Ayane, C+ to B- suffering, wealthy dad but distant, mother left her

Sana, C+ to B- suffering, dead brother, mother is (was, things are looking up) floundering, probably inherited mental health issues

Makoto, C- to A suffering, decent-ish childhood, but recent events fucked her up real hard, bluejay amongst other things

Miku, unknown at minimum B+, has severe PTSD, something horrid must have happened to her.

Futaba, C+ to B- suffering, body dysmorphic disorder, eating disorders etc. Seems to have had good parents? I don't remember clearly actually
Rin, at minimum B-, self-harm, depression, etc. adoptive parents seem nice though. Biological parents are turbo fucked up (there's a theory here about them I think)

Ami, unknown really, but assuming she is a normal girl and not some demigod eldritch entity, A- at minimum. Dead parents, fucked up uncle, etc.

Maya, more or less the same as Ami, but A+ suffering because she has been looping for possibly millions of years (consciously). How her mind isn't shattered beyond recognition is one of the mysteries at play here (godly origin?). Or maybe her mind did shatter and she's not suffering outwardly because she's already broken beyond belief. There's that trope if I'm not wrong, called "Bored with Insanity".

Molly, C- suffering, good dad, seems to have had a decent childhood in Ireland, far from Kumon-mi. I think her mom died early? Has some issues (LiL-wise she's quite fortunate)

Tsuneyo, honestly no idea really.

Uta, at minimum B+, good family, but she got abused online etc. Caused severe mental health problems and a great deal of counseling.

Io, unknown but at minimum A+, in virtue of being worse off than Yumi. Abused, Raped?

Nodoka, no idea. She's clearly insane though and that must count for something, her mother was sick or something. Tentative A-

Otoha, D-. fairly-normal-upbringing-girl, it's unfortunate she got caught up in this mess.

Touka, E+ to D+, rich af, intelligent and athletic, beautiful and loved (by her mother and sister). father is a dipshit though. The pressure of her position must have caused some level of stress. Will suffer much more in the future because she got caught up in Sensei's mess.

Yasu, is in a similar position to Yumi, Maya and Io. One of the worst childhoods in the main cast. A-level suffering at minimum.

Noriko, C+ suffering. Loving parents and sister. Her great source of misfortune was falling for Sensei. Would have been successful because of her intelligence and work ethic. No health issues physically

Kirin, C+ suffering. Ordinary but seemingly stifling, straight-laced traditional (like Otoha) family. A plethora of mental health problems

Now for side girls:

Sara, A+ and beyond. ultra fucked up childhood, husband left, son died, hallucinations, poverty. In a similar boat to Sensei.
Haruka, unknown but doesn't seem that bad. Fairly ordinary life? She's a predator and deviant, that's on her though.

Kaori, grade unknown but most assuredly shitty. A and beyond.
Chinami, B+. Is ill, mom died, poverty. Has a loving, dedicated sister as a counterweight.

Karin, E. Seems to be one of the luckiest and most normal characters in LiL (if not the most). Possibly caused by her irrelevance. I wish she had more presence, but that would cause more suffering to her, so I'm torn.

Maki, childhood mostly unknown. Now she's suffering a lot now so B+.

Yuki, A. Went through horrid things.

Niki, B. Most of her suffering arose from Akira. Utinam Ne Illum Numquam Conspexissem. Had she never seen Akira, she would have been better off.
Wakana, unknown. High potential for suffering if the painkiller usage is any indication. I speculate B+ up.

Osako, unknown.

Tsubasa, mostly unknown.

Tsukasa, around the same as Touka, maybe a bit less.

Imani, minimum of B+, probably more.

Rika, unknown.

Nao? Well, at this point, I doubt she's even human so...

Conclusion:

It doesn't really matter if you are a main or side character. Are you in LiL? You're going to suffer, friend.

I think Maya was effed up even before the resets. She implies that Sensei and her were "pretty fucked up" and that's why they got attached to eachother:

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There's also some implications that she may have been raped by a family member, and was homeless before meeting Sensei.

I think the "girl who never made it home" story told by Sekai in 'Something Everyone Knows and Ignores' may have been about Maya:

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Mostly due to the vending machines and running into a stranger parts:

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Which could be why Maya takes Sensei to a vending machine and buys him the drink that makes him nostalgic:

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There's also the implication that someone else took Maya's "purity" in 'The Room with Clocks':

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before Sensei could adopt her and show her "true love". (Unless that black figure is the old Sensei, but that seems unlikely)

I also think this is from Maya's pov due to the green scarf:

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The "finally be happy" and "finally knew what it meant to be loved" parts, makes me think something must have happened to her.

Nevertheless: Current Maya is considered "Broken beyond repair":

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[saerav]

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[KiloWho]

Sorry for being annoying, but anyone got a completed .31 (or close) save file? Should've never touched the fucking care packages

 

[D4NT4R1UM]

question

how Do the pron commisions get distributed tho?

does Sel put them in a page on discord or does he send them to the patron that commision them personally using the SS or whatever page he uses now?

 

[saerav]

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[k1n5l4y3r]

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how Do the pron commisions get distributed tho?

does Sel put them in a page on discord or does he send them to the patron that commision them personally using the SS or whatever page he uses now?

I think his official site has a patron only section where he posts the comissions as they get done, could be wrong as I'm not a patron.

 

[butterfly boy]

Does anyone have the most painful thing i can ask for? That being a proper playlist of the LiL tracks.

I searched for the jukebox comparisons to the original songs and all i get is the 78? track list existing in Youtube but there are songs that don't line up with what exists.

Beyond the Way of time sounds like a mix of Xion theme + Blue Air? (Intrusive thought)

Songs like 10c, Close to Nothing, Gentle Theme, Good morning/Goodnight (God help us all for the track titled I Have to Love You feat. Maya Makinami), Just Lights, Kimi To Aki No Bouken, Little bunny, Memories
and so many others

It's genuinely difficult to listen to these songs without seeing the LiL textbox or models at this point? It's fair to say LiL as a story overtakes alot of precedent in these stories given Sel apparently writes around the music or finds music to play the scene out to?

I've been playing other VNS because my poor soul caught up to recent release and like even critically acclaimed releases like NUKITASHI cant fill the void of discovering more lessons in love events.

Christ. Everything I was saying and asking for made sense while i was writing things out but Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence started playing and now I'm a weeping mess because words have so much power you'd never expect.

I pray that Rin as best girl and true homie gets hurt the least.

Thanks for listening! I'm the one who've been uploading every jukebox song to Youtube. The only reason it's at 78 songs right now is because Youtube won't allow me to upload more than 10 videos per day without face/ID verification. There's about 100 songs so it will take me a few more days. If there's something wrong let me know.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

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I always assumed that was amiokay since Maya is I think the only girl who frequently sits in this seiza pose. There isn't a solid answer for this one I believe, only conjectures; but whoever that is probably is only as important as just to spook/confuse you.

By the by, I also mistakenly thought she was under the bed this whole time before you pointed it out ; now it does look like she is at the corner of the room, where (I also only noticed now) it becomes occupied by a phonebooth that you use to call Tsuneyo to solve one of the magazine puzzles.

I guess one wouldn't be today years old if you actually read what was on the screen, but at the time I was too pissed off by the ridiculous puzzles and had a hard time focusing on plain gibberish.

 

[BlackDays]

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Chest size and butt i'd say Maya.

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[Bingoogus]

I think Maya was effed up even before the resets. She implies that Sensei and her were "pretty fucked up" and that's why they got attached to eachother:

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There's also some implications that she may have been raped by a family member, and was homeless before meeting Sensei.

I think the "girl who never made it home" story told by Sekai in 'Something Everyone Knows and Ignores' may have been about Maya:

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Mostly due to the vending machines and running into a stranger parts:

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Which could be why Maya takes Sensei to a vending machine and buys him the drink that makes him nostalgic:

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There's also the implication that someone else took Maya's "purity" in 'The Room with Clocks':

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before Sensei could adopt her and show her "true love". (Unless that black figure is the old Sensei, but that seems unlikely)

I also think this is from Maya's pov due to the green scarf:

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The "finally be happy" and "finally knew what it meant to be loved" parts, makes me think something must have happened to her.

Nevertheless: Current Maya is considered "Broken beyond repair":

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Damn... that a lot more Maya knowledge then i had before, it all fits pretty damn well too... so, another kid rape victim... how does she rationalise that with Akira being a pedo too? Like, sure, she calls him disgusting but she still loves him, a guy who does what was done to her, or close enough to it to count.

 

[DeSkel15]

Damn... that a lot more Maya knowledge then i had before, it all fits pretty damn well too... so, another kid rape victim... how does she rationalise that with Akira being a pedo too? Like, sure, she calls him disgusting but she still loves him, a guy who does what was done to her, or close enough to it to count.

Pedophile, Ephebophile, etc, and Rapist aren't the same thing. Maya seemed to want the relationship with Sensei. He seemed to make her feel loved, and she's spent 1000+ years wanting it back. I don't think she wanted whatever happened to her prior. (If anything did, it's not entirely confirmed)

Overall: I doubt she sees Sensei as a rapist in anyway that bothers her. Albeit, past versions of him are a different story. Some seemed less benevolent than current or original Sensei.

 

[Bingoogus]

Pedophile, Ephebophile, etc, and Rapist aren't the same thing.

Yeah but like i said, it's close enough to count as far as her own history is concerned, and yet she loves him despite that, i'm curious how she rationalizes that, i'd want to ask her that, her answer would be interesting no matter what direction she takes it in.

 

[AbsoluteA522]

Yeah but like i said, it's close enough to count as far as her own history is concerned, and yet she loves him despite that, i'm curious how she rationalizes that, i'd want to ask her that, her answer would be interesting no matter what direction she takes it in.

Maybe the reason why she doesn't care is because she also did many horrible things to previous senseis.(i remember her mentioning that she once fuked a sensei to death or to insanity) so if she were to hold him for his actions that would make her a hypocrite?

 

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Another card, this is look Kirin from a date, because of different eyes

 

[saerav]

I always assumed that was amiokay since Maya is I think the only girl who frequently sits in this seiza pose. There isn't a solid answer for this one I believe, only conjectures; but whoever that is probably is only as important as just to spook/confuse you

Chest size and butt i'd say Maya.

Oh yeah, that does make sense. My initial guess was also Maya, but I kinda hazily dismissed it cause i was thinking why the hell would Maya be there

 

[Bingoogus]

Oh yeah, that does make sense. My initial guess was also Maya, but I kinda hazily dismissed it cause i was thinking why the hell would Maya be there

Always be careful when discounting Maya, she has so many doppelgangers that discounting her discounts multiple possibilities at the same time.

 

[JLP603]

All these events of suggesting the posibility that ami is the one creating the fake world due to the hardships and suffering she went though at the cost of her wellbeing so she can be happy with the one she loves despite him not loving her... Suddenly made me think of Kagami Sumika from Muv-Luv again... dmn

 

[Merlk]

Hello- I am a bit new to this lore talk so i don't really know how to start so i will just jump into it

One thing i reacted to was the fact when we found Nao, we go the inner dialogue of a metaphorical car crashing into a wall and revealing the sitcom gods Wire and Nozomu, and while i am not fully sure the ''Voice inside ones' head'' as he says would perhaps also count? Hasn't it been many times recently that Sensei has pointed himself out as the lone architecht for a reality he wanted? And curious it is that they're mentioned when we find a girl encompassing both Maya and Ami in some way. Are the gods perhaps just wishes(which seem to also be referenced a lot) manifested.

Granted, a lot of this could be plain out wrong, which would be completely fine. I am very much welcoming any more God lore there is. They intrigue me and i would really want to understand their influence onto the characters, especially whether or not Yasu follows Nozomu or someone else completely

alright i am done now rant over.

 

[saerav]

I'm replaying the game right now and I have like a much better feeling for what's going on. I have kind of a theory but I've been holding off on posting anything about it until I complete the replay and pic related is how I've been feeling