Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[fasoaga]

Spoiler: also WHOMST

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Yeah, who are they? Another project of Selebus like Nothing is Beatiful?

 

[SlidingSubject]

I wonder if the song from himawari will appear in the next update or if Sel fucked up and included it in the update by mistake.

 

[Moonflare]

Spoiler: also WHOMST

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My first thought was young Sekai and someone else. But it could also be the world itself and she who waits, or whoever. Knowing Selebus though, it most likely isn't anything, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

It'd be very funny if those were WIRES and Pareidolia in their true forms

0.51.1 Bugfix has "1 New God", anyone know what that's about?

Selebus is a bad programmer and fucked up some of the events from 0.51, that would not even show as missing if you missed them. He created a hotfix for that, and because we take lore very seriously and do not have nearly enough gods, he created a "god of continuity" to rant about how he should never given players choices beyond the Ami one.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: also WHOMST

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I remember seeing the the red haired girl in the request gallery somewhere when I was looking for the Grow Old. Then Die characters. I don't remember if she had any tags tying to her a specific game though.

 

[Moonflare]

You say you've had enough of Ami, but how would you go about it?

This is a hard question. I don't have all the context for what Ami is exactly, nor do I think I would write an Ami character ever. So it's hard. But I'll do my best:

Spoiler: my ami rewrite

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As for how the actual game was written, I think that there really isn't anything else she can do. She killed Maya and gifted Akira her head. In a way, her arc is done. If Akira doesn't react to this, there really isn't anything else that can wake him up. So yeah, Ami (the current Ami) has to be done regardless. I can't see returning to the status quo because it would cheapen the experience too much.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Just doing a headcount. Please react with a thumbs up if you had enough of Ami by now, or a thinking face if you think she still deserves a chance.

I'm genuinely curious. Obviously, if you'd care to write a post about it, it would be even better.

I myself have had enough of her ages ago, and this update played basically like a "I told you so".

As far as this current version of Ami? Oh yeah, totally sick of her. Or I guess it's more accurate to say I'm sick of no one even attempting to challenge her. Touka called her out. Once. At Dorm Wars. So that's something, maybe? I suppose it's wishful thinking that Akira will finally wise up a bit and say, 'hey, maybe something isn't quite right with Ami here', yet I still hope it will happen anyway.

At the same time, I fully acknowledge that you kinda need an antagonist of some sort to keep things interesting for the readers, since it gives us all someone we can unanimously rally against while at the same time trying to piece together their motivations. (See: Nodoka, Tsubasa, Otoha.)

The reason I still hold hope for Ami in the long term, though, is because of her appearance in "Lamb Legs":

Spoiler: Lamb Legs True Ami?

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So yeah.

Current Ami? Boooo...
Ami in General? I will huff as much copium as I need to until I'm proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I think we're all just caught up in recency bias (completely understandable, don't get me wrong) and that there's more than meets the eye. Something we just don't know quite yet.

 

[Moonflare]

Sexual Checklist 0.52:

Spoiler: checklist

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Yay for Molly finally losing her virginity, that she somehow (even with the drunken episode and an actual threesome) hadn't lost until now.

Did we get confirmation about the past? No! But I'll take it because I have zero faith left in Selebus that it will be explained.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

I suppose it's wishful thinking that Akira will finally wise up a bit and say, 'hey, maybe something isn't quite right with Ami here', yet I still hope it will happen anyway.

I mean, it's gotta happen at some point. It's just a question of whether we'll be the ones to see it first or our great grandchildren.

Although now that I'm thinking about it I guess someone else could take that thread so that confrontation could be sidestepped if Sel wanted

Current Ami? Boooo...
Ami in General? I will huff as much copium as I need to until I'm proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I think we're all just caught up in recency bias (completely understandable, don't get me wrong) and that there's more than meets the eye. Something we just don't know quite yet.

I am fully on the #notmyami train. My adorable redheaded niece could never be this evil.

 

[hampster9987]

Ok, bear with me here, but is anyone else a fan of The X-Files?

When I first watched the show the main plotline was sick and every reveal was a huge "oh shit" moment. Then the show went on for a billion seasons and, honestly, theres only so many reveals you can possibly reveal before it just turns into weird alien slop. Whenever I rewatch The X-Files now I skip the main plotline episodes and just focus on the monster of the week stories.

Maybe things would be different if I played LIL all the way through instead of month to month updates, but I don't think I've given a shit about any sort of 'main' event since chapter 3. I feel like I'm way more invested in the character's individual stories and growths than whatever consequences the resets (probably won't actually) incur.

I swear to god I roll my eyes everytime we get put into another void, or honestly even most times Ami or Maya even come up on screen.

 

[ElaineZol]

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Which brings me to another point, which is not talked about enough in this god forsaken forum, Ami fucking sucks. Nodoka gets a lot of shit, and I get it, but Ami doesn't get enough imo.

I do wonder how Akira will react to this, assuming he keeps those memories and is eventually reunited with that little demon. It really sucks Selly wants to cuck us again by skipping one more month for the next update.

 

[SlidingSubject]

I do wonder how Akira will react to this, assuming he keeps those memories and is eventually reunited with that little demon. It really sucks Selly wants to cuck us again by skipping one more month for the next update.

I think Sel noticed that NTR games are vogue these days and wanted to put his own spin there.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Maybe things would be different if I played LIL all the way through instead of month to month updates, but I don't think I've given a shit about any sort of 'main' event since chapter 3. I feel like I'm way more invested in the character's individual stories and growths than whatever consequences the resets (probably won't actually) incur.

I swear to god I roll my eyes everytime we get put into another void, or honestly even most times Ami or Maya even come up on screen.

As someone who started more recently I'd tend to agree. I started around the release of 0.47 and I pretty much didn't put it down until I was done - having had the benefit of consuming most of what we currently have at once and then switching to the monthly wait it definitely feels like the former is the best way to experience it.

I think LiL (and probably most similar works, if there are any) is in kind of an awkward spot in that sense because yeah, it's technically a serial release, but that's obviously by necessity as opposed to desire and it shows. The format works well with certain throughlines like Maya's chapter 3 reset and Sekai's original reveal but I think all the supernatural/divine stuff is probably trickier to work around with how convoluted and spread out it is. It's much harder to explore that aspect episodically in a substantial way and the ambiguity in it is an essential part of why those other more character-driven throughlines were executed so well in the first place.

I kinda knew it was gonna be an issue going in, too - I typically avoid proper visual novels that aren't fully complete for exactly this reason. I told myself not long after I started that I'd play it and then just forget about it for a year or two and binge it from the start again but it turns out I love the game and I really don't have an ounce of willpower lol

(and also yes I am a fan of the X-Files and I do the exact same thing lol)

 

[givemeabeer]

Wait... now I wonder... how Maya prime managed to survived that long if Ami was always like that?
Because, according to Maya prime, it's not the first time Ami killed someone. So... how? If that new version of Maya was her in a «early» stage, well, she didn't survived that long! Or, was it just another version? Like Sensei loving soccer in another dimension?

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Wait... now I wonder... how Maya prime managed to survived that long if Ami was always like that?
Because, according to Maya prime, it's not the first time Ami killed someone. So... how? If that new version of Maya was her in a «early» stage, well, she didn't survived that long! Or, was it just another version? Like Sensei loving soccer in another dimension?

Maybe she didn't? Maybe Ami killed her at some point(s) and she came back with the reset? Alternatively maybe Maya Prime just got the better of her one way or another during their past encounters. She was a lot less submissive and malleable than Nu Maya and this Ami seemed particularly irked by her from what I remember of that conversation.

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[aramaug]

Just doing a headcount. Please react with a thumbs up if you had enough of Ami by now, or a thinking face if you think she still deserves a chance.

I'm genuinely curious. Obviously, if you'd care to write a post about it, it would be even better.

I myself have had enough of her ages ago, and this update played basically like a "I told you so".

One day I'm going to be able to post "I told you so" about Ami and I'm warning you now, I'm going to be absolutely insufferable about it.

The latest in a long line of clues that our Ami is a victim of what's been happening, not some sort of comic book supervillain: a happy event where Ami is sucked into a vortex and held prisoner by an army of spiders.

Spoiler: Sally Sells Seashells

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[fdsasdf_p]

I think she's just a lost opportunity to create a compelling character. Let's think about it:

Spoiler: New Maya

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Also, Selebus is out of his mind if he thinks he can talk about Maya Prime and New Maya as if they were the same character in the reader's eyes, they're clearly not. People absolutely adore Maya Prime to this day. If people never got to love New Maya that's way more of a writer's issue than anything else.

Well said; her potential trip down memory lane with Sensei and her anticipated path back to Maya Prime, all gone after her main function that is "to showcase Ami Prime" starts running. SENTIENCE score increased by 1 my ass.

Though I'd say that perhaps New Maya's primary purpose as a whole has always been providing a sinisterly deliberate false sense of hope. The hope that you'd learn more and the hope that you could unlock Maya Prime one more time via her current hallow shell. Instead, we get a desperate watermelon-flavored cumslut and it honestly surprised the hell out of me. The ridiculous extent of New Maya's desperateness and stubbornness when it comes to Sensei is something I can love her for, and something I can make solace in my heart in terms of her character usage, knowing that at least she did bring me something unexpected and some more to think about when it comes to her still veiled origin story (but man do I want so much more from her...). Oh well, hope things aren't that irreversible when all settles down and we do get to see her again.

On a light note! I can't be the only one that "heh" when Ayane calls New Maya "Maya 2", right?

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[Moonflare]

The latest in a long line of clues that our Ami is a victim of what's been happening, not some sort of comic book supervillain

Is there anyone that disputes this? I think that's quite clear from what she says in that one happy event (when she says she's the only true Ami). It's just that it doesn't really matter to me, that Ami doesn't exist in the story as it is. The Ami that we do have is insane, and from that one's admission, not her.
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On another topic, on the end of the update:

Spoiler: epilogue stuff

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So it could be that the end of this following Ayane segment will end with a fully grown Himawari diving into the resets.

 

[harrytrumankr]

As far as this current version of Ami? Oh yeah, totally sick of her. Or I guess it's more accurate to say I'm sick of no one even attempting to challenge her. Touka called her out. Once. At Dorm Wars. So that's something, maybe? I suppose it's wishful thinking that Akira will finally wise up a bit and say, 'hey, maybe something isn't quite right with Ami here', yet I still hope it will happen anyway.

At the same time, I fully acknowledge that you kinda need an antagonist of some sort to keep things interesting for the readers, since it gives us all someone we can unanimously rally against while at the same time trying to piece together their motivations. (See: Nodoka, Tsubasa, Otoha.)

The reason I still hold hope for Ami in the long term, though, is because of her appearance in "Lamb Legs":

Spoiler: Lamb Legs True Ami?

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So yeah.

Current Ami? Boooo...
Ami in General? I will huff as much copium as I need to until I'm proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I think we're all just caught up in recency bias (completely understandable, don't get me wrong) and that there's more than meets the eye. Something we just don't know quite yet.

I just reread RWC and I recognize some dialogue at the final part of the event. The same recurring theme about not trusting those hands and eyes(iirc), maybe the same thing has been happening with Maya for a while?

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

I remember seeing the the red haired girl in the request gallery somewhere when I was looking for the Grow Old. Then Die characters. I don't remember if she had any tags tying to her a specific game though.

I was never there

 

[harrytrumankr]

Spoiler: Foreshadowing from Swim Trip?

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