Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[NULLWIZARD]

Right, i knew i forgot to add some info.
1. It is some files, a few very old load fine (sometimes. Other times it load randomly before the save was done)
2. Yes, i use the guide mod and dark mod, also i have the packages there (every patch i do the steps to disable the drm that are at the 1st page)
3. I didnt try using any saves on the thread, looking like some work and some dont. Should i try to download and try some of them?
4. I extracted it into a new folder and deleted the old one seeing that i had those problems and with this new one i didnt have them. (the memory ones)




The first pic talks about 0.43, how should i do it for the 0.44? It should be no problem search for an only update here but i dont know how this will work with the current update (just in case im talking about that i have to put 0.42 files into the 0.44 update. I may overthink it but i dont want to mess it up)

You could try a slightly adjusted version of the steps in the screenshot Zuko shared:
1) Open the "Lessons in Love/game/" folder in windows explorer
2) Sort by file type
3) Move all the .rpyc files into a separate folder (as backup) - if you can't tell which files are .rpyc then google "windows how to enable file extensions in explorer"
4) Relaunch game
Basically Ren'Py games have a bunch of .rpy files that contain script/code that the game engine has to process in order to run the game. To save time in reading/processing the .rpy files over and over, the engine saves the results of its processing to .rpyc files and reuses that after the first game launch. But sometimes the .rpyc files can go out of sync with the original .rpy files. Basically this'll forcibly refresh those files

The engine has logic for detecting when files go out of sync but sometimes it gets confused so it's worth a shot

Btw if this doesn't help then I'd try a fresh install with no mods

 

[shmurfer]

Well i doubt someone can truly help me with this (for me is so random and dont know why this happened), but when i try to load old saves the game give me an error. I tried downloading it again because i was having an error trying to save news saves that said it had "memory errors" i dont remember well.
I tried loading an old save because i forgot a happy event and wanted to do it. (sometimes some old saves load weirdly loading some random moment and others load correctly. Also idk if it was for the new download but i couldnt skip all the things i already saw)

It would fuck me very hard having to replay all the game again for all the time it would consume me (read things and replace every save i had. I have 80 pages of saves...) Luckily this time i wont have to grind it all thanks to URM but it is still a pain in the ass having to do every hellish puzzle (i have saved some but idk if i have them all).

What worries me the most is do it before next update, i know i have 2 weeks but also i have very little time to play, so i would be grateful if someone knows how to fix it or if i just give up and start again rushing all the game.

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Did you add the care packages?

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

I get it now" - also, I wonder if this is how Wires would make everyone to be like, in his version of a world for Akira

yes I would


if that's what they want

 

[Aegirine]

So I had the "benefit" of playing this game from start to finish without too many interruptions in the last few weeks, so all available content is still fresh in my mind.
There's of course a lot I appreciated about it. Yet the game design has only suffered the more you play, and it feels like it's done maliciously. Why ? Does the dev hate his game's playerbase ?
I don't want to make this a full review so I'll just list here some of the worst examples in my opinion.

Spoiler: Gameplay Loop

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I saw someone earlier arguing that intentionally bad gameplay design is a form of expression in video games. I don't agree that's the case here at all. Harsh design is supposed to at least convey feelings or offer opportunity for skill expression, and most importantly, should respect the player's time.
You're not supposed to win that absurdly hard mini game in Danganronpa V3, you're supposed to lose it in order to progress. If you practice enough to win it, good for you, it's actually quite the achievement and the game rewards you with a scene, but that's it. You're not forced to do it again until you win. The grinding in Undertale's genocide route is admittedly annoying and made unpleasant to convey how awful your actions are, but at least you won't spend more than 30 to 45 minutes per area. The gameplay loop in Papers Please can be extremely stressful and convoluted, but it's made that way to convey how dystopian Arstotzka is and is regularly interrupted by main events occurring in your booth.
I don't see any of this in LiL. Clicking while pressing CTRL until something happens is boring. Trying every contact in my phone until one of them works is extremely annoying. Giving hours of my time to killing green blobs in a pixelated world conveys me nothing, we already know Sensei is fucked up inside. There's no skill involved in trying every combination of choices until you beat a boss.

This is just my assumption, but I can only interpret this as the dev being complacent at maintaining a good gameplay loop first, and taking advantage of people sinking hundred of hours in his game already to get away with whatever silly jokes he wants to put in his game.

 

[LordUlrich]

2 things I wanna say real quick followed by a question/request.

1) For whatever reason, the split downloads are wrongly named. Mac is the pc download and vice-versa. So I've had to redownloaded multiple times, which is extremely annoying and leads to point number two.

2) The downloads aren't working for me on here. Tried the main bulk one of 12gb and it said format was damaged or unsupported and then it said the same thing on the split downloads.

That being said I also only use this site, so no subscribe-star or patre-on or any other stuff, I use this site cause it was and has been mostly reliable. So can anyone provide me with a link with a reliable source to download this game?

 

[Meskal1ne]

Giving hours of my time to killing green blobs in a pixelated world conveys me nothing

Too harsh for ARPG fans. Btw, I completed the sensei-quest in about an 1,5 hour without using any hints.

I don’t understand this complaint about the game - the lil is not about fap. Why approach it with the same measuring stick as 90% of other h-games? This is not the place where you have to press control to see the boobs. The author wants to tell a story and he doesn't want the reader to feel comfortable. This is not a new technique in literature, I can immediately remember "Filth" of Irvine Welsh. In it you also read about the scumbag and look at the stages of the loss of his mind. And all this is written in an extremely uncomfortable and difficult way to read. Does this make the book bad?

According to Wiki, most players stop playing after "Room with clocks". This means that everyone who remains should know why they are here.

 

[Moonflare]

So I had the "benefit" of playing this game from start to finish without too many interruptions in the last few weeks, so all available content is still fresh in my mind.
There's of course a lot I appreciated about it. Yet the game design has only suffered the more you play, and it feels like it's done maliciously. Why ? Does the dev hate his game's playerbase ?
I don't want to make this a full review so I'll just list here some of the worst examples in my opinion.

Spoiler: Gameplay Loop

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Spoiler: Affection/Lust

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Spoiler: Phone Calls

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Spoiler: Reset Puzzles

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I saw someone earlier arguing that intentionally bad gameplay design is a form of expression in video games. I don't agree that's the case here at all. Harsh design is supposed to at least convey feelings or offer opportunity for skill expression, and most importantly, should respect the player's time.
You're not supposed to win that absurdly hard mini game in Danganronpa V3, you're supposed to lose it in order to progress. If you practice enough to win it, good for you, it's actually quite the achievement and the game rewards you with a scene, but that's it. You're not forced to do it again until you win. The grinding in Undertale's genocide route is admittedly annoying and made unpleasant to convey how awful your actions are, but at least you won't spend more than 30 to 45 minutes per area. The gameplay loop in Papers Please can be extremely stressful and convoluted, but it's made that way to convey how dystopian Arstotzka is and is regularly interrupted by main events occurring in your booth.
I don't see any of this in LiL. Clicking while pressing CTRL until something happens is boring. Trying every contact in my phone until one of them works is extremely annoying. Giving hours of my time to killing green blobs in a pixelated world conveys me nothing, we already know Sensei is fucked up inside. There's no skill involved in trying every combination of choices until you beat a boss.

This is just my assumption, but I can only interpret this as the dev being complacent at maintaining a good gameplay loop first, and taking advantage of people sinking hundred of hours in his game already to get away with whatever silly jokes he wants to put in his game.

these are all fair points, I just wonder if you played it without the mod or puzzle answers/urm, and if so, why?

 

[DeanNoriko]

So I had the "benefit" of playing this game from start to finish without too many interruptions in the last few weeks, so all available content is still fresh in my mind.
There's of course a lot I appreciated about it. Yet the game design has only suffered the more you play, and it feels like it's done maliciously. Why ? Does the dev hate his game's playerbase ?
I don't want to make this a full review so I'll just list here some of the worst examples in my opinion.

Spoiler: Gameplay Loop

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Spoiler: Affection/Lust

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I saw someone earlier arguing that intentionally bad gameplay design is a form of expression in video games. I don't agree that's the case here at all. Harsh design is supposed to at least convey feelings or offer opportunity for skill expression, and most importantly, should respect the player's time.
You're not supposed to win that absurdly hard mini game in Danganronpa V3, you're supposed to lose it in order to progress. If you practice enough to win it, good for you, it's actually quite the achievement and the game rewards you with a scene, but that's it. You're not forced to do it again until you win. The grinding in Undertale's genocide route is admittedly annoying and made unpleasant to convey how awful your actions are, but at least you won't spend more than 30 to 45 minutes per area. The gameplay loop in Papers Please can be extremely stressful and convoluted, but it's made that way to convey how dystopian Arstotzka is and is regularly interrupted by main events occurring in your booth.
I don't see any of this in LiL. Clicking while pressing CTRL until something happens is boring. Trying every contact in my phone until one of them works is extremely annoying. Giving hours of my time to killing green blobs in a pixelated world conveys me nothing, we already know Sensei is fucked up inside. There's no skill involved in trying every combination of choices until you beat a boss.

This is just my assumption, but I can only interpret this as the dev being complacent at maintaining a good gameplay loop first, and taking advantage of people sinking hundred of hours in his game already to get away with whatever silly jokes he wants to put in his game.

All your points are valid and also reflect the general consensus in this thread (with a few exceptions, as you mentioned, which are in the vast minority, I would say).

The conclusion is basically as follows:
Selebus (the dev) is a bit of a dick and also high on his own farts and doesn't mind that the players need to suffer through his dog shit idea of gameplay. In his mind, I guess, the "difficulty" of traversing through the gameplay loop is meant to mirror the struggle Akira is having traversing through life with his self-loathing and depressive approach, making the player identify with him when having to click through repetitive dialogue and guess what to do next.
Obviously, as you mentioned, this does not work. But Sel also admitted that he is a shit programmer and basically most aspects of the game besides the writing and rendering (to an extent, he has become pretty lazy about animations for example) are done in a rather sloppy way. But I suppose from his view the end justifies the means.

Looking at the reviews on this site, many players get thrown off the game because of these arbitrary design decisions, which is a shame. But as I mentioned earlier, Sel seems himself as a form of GOD god and anyone who does not appreciate his decisions is simply unworthy and should not play his game then.
We learned to live with it. At the end of the day, the writing is so good that it makes it worthwhile to suffer through the "gameplay" loops for new snippets of juicy lore and plot developments.

 

[Deleted member 4389531]

It's hard not to be "high on your own farts" when the complainers are people suggesting Working Adults two hundred hours into Lessons in Love will be spending weeks in Sensei Quest
Alas I have 30 minutes of game time per week and so it will take me a full month to get through sensei quest... What a realistic and horrible scenario that should morph game design... Won't anyone thinking of the Working Adults... :'(

 

[Riolol]

It's hard not to be "high on your own farts" when the complainers are people suggesting Working Adults two hundred hours into Lessons in Love will be spending weeks in Sensei Quest
Alas I have 30 minutes of game time per week and so it will take me a full month to get through sensei quest... What a realistic and horrible scenario that should morph game design... Won't anyone thinking of the Working Adults... :'(

This guy's head is so far up Selly's ass he can count his teeth.

 

[barglenarglezous]

It's hard not to be "high on your own farts" when the complainers are people suggesting Working Adults two hundred hours into Lessons in Love will be spending weeks in Sensei Quest
Alas I have 30 minutes of game time per week and so it will take me a full month to get through sensei quest... What a realistic and horrible scenario that should morph game design... Won't anyone thinking of the Working Adults... :'(

It takes 90 minutes to farm enough cash to buy the things you need to progress, tops.

 

[Deleted member 4389531]

The low level of argumentation here is just really off-putting. There is of course room for critique and improvement, one may say nothing is ever in perfect form and there is an infinite skill ceiling to everything including the writing. I don't think SENSEI QUEST was the best possible execution of Selebus's idea here and it's possible with better programming abilities it would take a different, more respectably malicious form. However, that is far from the level of discourse present here. "This thing shouldn't be time-consuming since I'm a working adult" is the kind of low level garbage you see in highly upvoted reddit comments. It's so unfathomably self-centered and deconstructive. One does not even realizing that their true intention is to argue about why everything should suit their own preferences and desires as maximally as possible rather than to be constructive. "I like this thing, I dislike this thing, ergo the thing I dislike fails and should be more similar to the thing I like," incredible discourse there, exactly what's going to convince an author to change their methods. This failed all the way back in 2020 when mast*bators asked for happy scenes to be removed so they dont feel get surprised by horror with their dick in hand, or when a deaf person asked for audio cues to be removed, etc... There is just an eternal compulsion to argue for why games and art should change to suit oneself rather than the other way around.

I mean, in this case it even shows ignorance as well; as another user astutely pointed out, Sensei Quest played normally is 1.5 - 2 hours long. Yet those who skip it shake in fear, aaah, what a massive grind, how is it even possible to do this, it would take weeks and weeks, aaah! But in reality it takes no time at all. We see that a huge number of people critiquing something did not engage with it at all. They have no idea of what it is. Why would any author spend 1 second respecting an opinion from someone like that? You have to at least reach a base level of argumentation first. Well, not to get likes and upvotes from other people who jump at the slightest opportunity to feel justified and correct; misery and spite love company. But to actual engage in meaningful discourse and have a point, you need to go much beyond that. If you're going to critique something at least understand it first. Argumentation on this level is discarded out of hand without even deserving a reply.

Imagine yourself in a dark room. You squint really hard to see in the darkness. There's infinite possibilities for what could be before you. Then, a light comes on. Suddenly you can see. What happens now? You stop looking. You stop seeing the darkness. Everything is before you in definite form. And that's where the world ends. This is a metaphor for thinking. Don't trust the lights so much. Try to spend more time squinting in the dark.

 

[Bingoogus]

The low level of argumentation here is just really off-putting. There is of course room for critique and improvement, one may say nothing is ever in perfect form and there is an infinite skill ceiling to everything including the writing. I don't think SENSEI QUEST was the best possible execution of Selebus's idea here and it's possible with better programming abilities it would take a different, more respectably malicious form. However, that is far from the level of discourse present here. "This thing shouldn't be time-consuming since I'm a working adult" is the kind of low level garbage you see in highly upvoted reddit comments. It's so unfathomably self-centered and deconstructive. One does not even realizing that their true intention is to argue about why everything should suit their own preferences and desires as maximally as possible rather than to be constructive. "I like this thing, I dislike this thing, ergo the thing I dislike fails and should be more similar to the thing I like," incredible discourse there, exactly what's going to convince an author to change their methods. This failed all the way back in 2020 when mast*bators asked for happy scenes to be removed so they dont feel get surprised by horror with their dick in hand, or when a deaf person asked for audio cues to be removed, etc... There is just an eternal compulsion to argue for why games and art should change to suit oneself rather than the other way around.

I mean, in this case it even shows ignorance as well; as another user astutely pointed out, Sensei Quest played normally is 1.5 - 2 hours long. Yet those who skip it shake in fear, aaah, what a massive grind, how is it even possible to do this, it would take weeks and weeks, aaah! But in reality it takes no time at all. We see that a huge number of people critiquing something did not engage with it at all. They have no idea of what it is. Why would any author spend 1 second respecting an opinion from someone like that? You have to at least reach a base level of argumentation first. Well, not to get likes and upvotes from other people who jump at the slightest opportunity to feel justified and correct; misery and spite love company. But to actual engage in meaningful discourse and have a point, you need to go much beyond that. If you're going to critique something at least understand it first. Argumentation on this level is discarded out of hand without even deserving a reply.

Imagine yourself in a dark room. You squint really hard to see in the darkness. There's infinite possibilities for what could be before you. Then, a light comes on. Suddenly you can see. What happens now? You stop looking. You stop seeing the darkness. Everything is before you in definite form. And that's where the world ends. This is a metaphor for thinking. Don't trust the lights so much. Try to spend more time squinting in the dark.

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[Deleted member 4389531]

I'm honestly just glad you replied to me Bingoogus, thank you, it's like my father noticing me for the first time :')

 

[DeanNoriko]

The low level of argumentation here is just really off-putting. There is of course room for critique and improvement, one may say nothing is ever in perfect form and there is an infinite skill ceiling to everything including the writing. I don't think SENSEI QUEST was the best possible execution of Selebus's idea here and it's possible with better programming abilities it would take a different, more respectably malicious form. However, that is far from the level of discourse present here. "This thing shouldn't be time-consuming since I'm a working adult" is the kind of low level garbage you see in highly upvoted reddit comments. It's so unfathomably self-centered and deconstructive. One does not even realizing that their true intention is to argue about why everything should suit their own preferences and desires as maximally as possible rather than to be constructive. "I like this thing, I dislike this thing, ergo the thing I dislike fails and should be more similar to the thing I like," incredible discourse there, exactly what's going to convince an author to change their methods. This failed all the way back in 2020 when mast*bators asked for happy scenes to be removed so they dont feel get surprised by horror with their dick in hand, or when a deaf person asked for audio cues to be removed, etc... There is just an eternal compulsion to argue for why games and art should change to suit oneself rather than the other way around.

I mean, in this case it even shows ignorance as well; as another user astutely pointed out, Sensei Quest played normally is 1.5 - 2 hours long. Yet those who skip it shake in fear, aaah, what a massive grind, how is it even possible to do this, it would take weeks and weeks, aaah! But in reality it takes no time at all. We see that a huge number of people critiquing something did not engage with it at all. They have no idea of what it is. Why would any author spend 1 second respecting an opinion from someone like that? You have to at least reach a base level of argumentation first. Well, not to get likes and upvotes from other people who jump at the slightest opportunity to feel justified and correct; misery and spite love company. But to actual engage in meaningful discourse and have a point, you need to go much beyond that. If you're going to critique something at least understand it first. Argumentation on this level is discarded out of hand without even deserving a reply.

Imagine yourself in a dark room. You squint really hard to see in the darkness. There's infinite possibilities for what could be before you. Then, a light comes on. Suddenly you can see. What happens now? You stop looking. You stop seeing the darkness. Everything is before you in definite form. And that's where the world ends. This is a metaphor for thinking. Don't trust the lights so much. Try to spend more time squinting in the dark.

I don't know why you chose to confront me of all people on the topic of Sensei Quest, when I am one of the very few who defended Sel for this reset puzzle and put forth some arguments towards why this one is one of the better puzzles:

So I just finished my playthrough last night and now got around to read up on all the feedback and theory crafting.
As per usual, our lore masters Moonflare, aramaug and bargle didn't disappoint, some very nice theories and thought experiments, wonderful!

However, before I start with my general feedback post, I wanted to touch on one subject that I was personally surprised to find a heated discussion for:
The reset puzzle.

Now, please bear with me, because I will actually take a bit of an opposed stance on this from the general consensus in this thread.

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But it seems like you came to the same conclusion as me anyway, that while its intention was fine and showed some potential, Sel ultimately failed at the execution and made it more bland than it had to be.

Now the only one with an off-putting approach to a discussion is yourself, who is constantly attacking or at least provoking people on here.
I don't condone others joking about you being Sel's alt account or dismissing anything you say either, I think that is unnecessary too. And while I can imagine that's annoying for you, you're not exactly helping either with your hostile tone. This is probably why people compare you to Sel, he is similarly hot-tempered and confrontational during some discussions on the Lilcord (or on here, from what I've heard).

So why don't we all just chill the fuck out and look forward to the next update?
Or better yet, discuss the more pressing matters at hand: Why Akira's dick so big?

 

[Meskal1ne]

Why Akira's dick so big?

stored in a humid environment for too long

 

[BlackDays]

My take on Sensei Quest is like Sel just took up what has been there for a long time.
A lot of people just don't seem to know how eroges had been way back.

I don't know if his attempt was fueled by nostalgia or was meant as a joke/mocking/sarcasm or whatever mean intent.

What i can say is, that meaningless grinding is always bad.
So IF his intention was aiming to nostalgia, he should have gone with time.
Make grinding meaningful by incorporating current concepts, like get ingredient from mop a and comine with ingredient from mop b, or whatever which makes you stronger so grinding feels rewarding.

All in all it feels like Sel is incorporating different eroge sub genres, just not in an entertaining way.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Why Akira's dick so big?

He carries his trauma in his penis.

 

[Deleted member 4389531]

I don't know why you chose to confront me of all people on the topic of Sensei Quest, when I am one of the very few who defended Sel for this reset puzzle and put forth some arguments towards why this one is one of the better puzzles:

But it seems like you came to the same conclusion as me anyway, that while its intention was fine and showed some potential, Sel ultimately failed at the execution and made it more bland than it had to be.

Now the only one with an off-putting approach to a discussion is yourself, who is constantly attacking or at least provoking people on here.
I don't condone others joking about you being Sel's alt account or dismissing anything you say either, I think that is unnecessary too. And while I can imagine that's annoying for you, you're not exactly helping either with your hostile tone. This is probably why people compare you to Sel, he is similarly hot-tempered and confrontational during some discussions on the Lilcord (or on here, from what I've heard).

So why don't we all just chill the fuck out and look forward to the next update?
Or better yet, discuss the more pressing matters at hand: Why Akira's dick so big?

I wasn't confronting you. I just read through the previous posts and replied in general. If anything it was a confrontation of Aegirine.

And don't worry, I'm not annoyed by any responses. This is just a character I'm playing. If I wanted to be convincing and win over people with charisma I would not be insulting their level of discourse.

 

[Moonflare]

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