Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[LessonsInDissonance]

I am a couple of games away from finishing the entire Rance saga, and it's quite interesting to see the contrast in how differently girls are treated in every adult game.
In LiL we care about their well being, and in other games their feelings don't matter to the point where you actively want to hurt them just so you can jork it.
When I'm playing as Sensei every girl matters, but when I'm playing as Rance the instant I see any moderately attractive woman I do everything I can to fuck her even if it's against their will.
So what prompts you to care in one scenario and to not care in the other?
Being the eyes of the protagonist, are we swayed into adopting their mentality?
Is it because the author tells you to care/not care?
Maybe we are just puppets that dance according to the rules established in every different reality, without even realizing it.
The goal of Rance and most other games is to jork it and rape as much as you want,
but what is the goal of LiL?
To make you grow as a person?
To make you accept yourself?
To break you?
Or maybe it's just another game to jork it with extra steps?

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Hopefully this Nodokathon will at least be less boring with Sensei being involved. I just hope it's not too long lol

 

[SmallsMalone]

I am a couple of games away from finishing the entire Rance saga, and it's quite interesting to see the contrast in how differently girls are treated in every adult game.
In LiL we care about their well being, and in other games their feelings don't matter to the point where you actively want to hurt them just so you can jork it.
When I'm playing as Sensei every girl matters, but when I'm playing as Rance the instant I see any moderately attractive woman I do everything I can to fuck her even if it's against their will.
So what prompts you to care in one scenario and to not care in the other?
Being the eyes of the protagonist, are we swayed into adopting their mentality?
Is it because the author tells you to care/not care?
Maybe we are just puppets that dance according to the rules established in every different reality, without even realizing it.
The goal of Rance and most other games is to jork it and rape as much as you want,
but what is the goal of LiL?
To make you grow as a person?
To make you accept yourself?
To break you?
Or maybe it's just another game to jork it with extra steps?

My two cents is that it's all about the depth of the character's portrayal, the stakes of the setting and amount of time and effort spent making the pain of the characters into something meaningfully tactile.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

I am a couple of games away from finishing the entire Rance saga, and it's quite interesting to see the contrast in how differently girls are treated in every adult game.
In LiL we care about their well being, and in other games their feelings don't matter to the point where you actively want to hurt them just so you can jork it.
When I'm playing as Sensei every girl matters, but when I'm playing as Rance the instant I see any moderately attractive woman I do everything I can to fuck her even if it's against their will.
So what prompts you to care in one scenario and to not care in the other?
Being the eyes of the protagonist, are we swayed into adopting their mentality?
Is it because the author tells you to care/not care?
Maybe we are just puppets that dance according to the rules established in every different reality, without even realizing it.
The goal of Rance and most other games is to jork it and rape as much as you want,
but what is the goal of LiL?
To make you grow as a person?
To make you accept yourself?
To break you?
Or maybe it's just another game to jork it with extra steps?

Probably a lot of things. I imagine just the way the game is written - the introspective nature of Sensei, the themes and how well developed the girls are - is a big reason. I don't really care if I'm forcing a cartoon character who's had like 3 lines of dialogue or less and pretty much just exists for sex scenes but it's a bit different when it's a character I've seen developing over the course of like, 100+ hours and who has her own actual story and a personality I genuinely like. And yeah, the mood is obviously different when there's a bunch of religious or philosophical stuff all around it or Sensei's brain is melting or whatever versus what's typical in a lot of porn games.

I've never played Rance specifically, though, so I can't make direct comparisons to that series if it's similarly written.

Honestly I just don't even really view LiL as a porn game at this point - though I'm not arguing the characterisation wouldn't technically be accurate - I'm on my third playthrough and I haven't beat off to anything lol

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

I'm on my third playthrough and I haven't beat off to anything lol

the fuck

 

[SlidingSubject]

I am a couple of games away from finishing the entire Rance saga, and it's quite interesting to see the contrast in how differently girls are treated in every adult game.
In LiL we care about their well being, and in other games their feelings don't matter to the point where you actively want to hurt them just so you can jork it.
When I'm playing as Sensei every girl matters, but when I'm playing as Rance the instant I see any moderately attractive woman I do everything I can to fuck her even if it's against their will.
So what prompts you to care in one scenario and to not care in the other?
Being the eyes of the protagonist, are we swayed into adopting their mentality?
Is it because the author tells you to care/not care?
Maybe we are just puppets that dance according to the rules established in every different reality, without even realizing it.
The goal of Rance and most other games is to jork it and rape as much as you want,
but what is the goal of LiL?
To make you grow as a person?
To make you accept yourself?
To break you?
Or maybe it's just another game to jork it with extra steps?

I'm not much into big words, so I'll try to keep it short. It's because of the perception and expectatives the game sets. In both cases you start as someone guided by their instincts. But, and I like that you mentioned Rance, both games start to deviate from the formula little by little. You see it "more quickly" in LiL because the update time is short. But (apparently due to the writer changing sometimes) you can also see that gradual shift in Rance.
Of course, since Rance is mostly a game in a wider world, it's hidden beneath the lore and the story of each game, but Rance's priorities slowly shift, though his core stays the same (though you could say he did change his priorities a little bit, after dying). That could be said to be the difference between Rance and Sensei, since while Sensei's priorites slowly shift, the goal (to me) is to change his core (a goal which the broader environment he inhabits takes a special interest in), while Rance is gradually changed by his own actions and his environment, though the latter doesn't really hold him in any special regard (shut up Planner, you were overruled, you can't kill him).

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LiL can be used to jork it, I'm sure there's a few persons like the one depicted above that do, and I'm sure there's people who can't really find material or sufficient downtime to actually do it, or bother to do it. I think that, like all games, it just tells a story. And like all stories, it's up to you whether to hold it in any kind of regard, or just consume it as such stories are meant to be consumed. Callously.

 

[jclark1337]

I've also never once jerked it to this game ngl. If it aint 2d then it just doesnt do it for me

I am a couple of games away from finishing the entire Rance saga, and it's quite interesting to see the contrast in how differently girls are treated in every adult game.
In LiL we care about their well being, and in other games their feelings don't matter to the point where you actively want to hurt them just so you can jork it.
When I'm playing as Sensei every girl matters, but when I'm playing as Rance the instant I see any moderately attractive woman I do everything I can to fuck her even if it's against their will.
So what prompts you to care in one scenario and to not care in the other?
Being the eyes of the protagonist, are we swayed into adopting their mentality?
Is it because the author tells you to care/not care?
Maybe we are just puppets that dance according to the rules established in every different reality, without even realizing it.
The goal of Rance and most other games is to jork it and rape as much as you want,
but what is the goal of LiL?
To make you grow as a person?
To make you accept yourself?
To break you?
Or maybe it's just another game to jork it with extra steps?

Also

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Had to bring it back again

 

[Budoop]

Am I too late for tier lists? Because here's mine:

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I would highly recommend doing Tsukasa's scenes, she's ongoing for a really nice character arc.

 

[shmurfer]

I would highly recommend doing Tsukasa's scenes, she's ongoing for a really nice character arc.

They already have a very red save. I also recommend seeing those scenes but in a general green path playthrough zvmfjqhfkbhkqeopgl

Get the guide mod from the OP.

 

[TBone9]

You read through Moby's dick what?

He's as big as a whale.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I was rewatching some events, and I think this was the first time Osako genuinely blushed over something Akira said to her involving her and him.

Spoiler: Osako blushed

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Or is there some other event where this happened that I don't remember?

 

[Sprungler]

I was rewatching some events, and I think this was the first time Osako genuinely blushed over something Akira said to her involving her and him.

Spoiler: Osako blushed

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Or is there some other event where this happened that I don't remember?

Is there a chance of Osako x Sensei before Wakana x Sensei?
I so much want to reach the 3 strikes, 3rd strike being Sensei stealing Osako and doing naughty stuff to her.

 

[shmurfer]

Is there a chance of Osako x Sensei before Wakana x Sensei?

I kinda hope so, only because Osako being right about Wakana would be tragic.

 

[Pedro4545454]

Is there a chance of Osako x Sensei before Wakana x Sensei?
I so much want to reach the 3 strikes, 3rd strike being Sensei stealing Osako and doing naughty stuff to her.

In fact, the plot seems to me to be being guided towards this happening, like, the one who thought she was going to be betrayed was the one who betrayed and the one who seemed like she was going to betray ended up being the one who remained faithful.

 

[Sprungler]

In fact, the plot seems to me to be being guided towards this happening, like, the one who thought she was going to be betrayed was the one who betrayed and the one who seemed like she was going to betray ended up being the one who remained faithful.

That sounds awesome!
Hopefully a grand piano falls on Ayane and Makoto in next update and she'll be gone

 

[Mike.Ross80]

Is there a chance of Osako x Sensei before Wakana x Sensei?
I so much want to reach the 3 strikes, 3rd strike being Sensei stealing Osako and doing naughty stuff to her.

I don't see it yet. I think it is more likely Akira being included with both of them opposed to hooking up with one or the other.

Both are friends with Imani and that group seems to really supports Akira+Imani so it would seem to be a bit of a betrayal if to her if a 1 on 1 hookup occured.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Why, why, why do we need another fng Nodokathon?!

I haven't been paying much attention to the thread since I believe the stomach ache bs right after fan fest but I think I am just losing interest in the mysteries and the bigger picture. So frustrated with all the fake outs and Sels obsession with stuff like Nodokathon. He is definitely making me at least think about canceling my sub.

Don't get me wrong, I still love most the characters and listen to my favorite music from the game almost every day, but damn he is killing the enjoyment for anything new.

Ok rant over for now.

Edit: Forgot to add that I'm sick of Sekai, Nodoka, Tsubasa, and evil Ami.

 

[Sprungler]

I don't see it yet. I think it is more likely Akira being included with both of them opposed to hooking up with one or the other.

Both are friends with Imani and that group seems to really supports Akira+Imani so it would seem to be a bit of a betrayal if to her if a 1 on 1 hookup occured.

Fuck Imani, boring ass character

 

[Ern The Skáld]

Joining the club of "haven't jorked it to LiL".
Mostly coz it's a dramatic/tragic story and I really don't get hot and bothered for tragic characters? Sure, some later Molly events are hot, Sana is very up my alley, as well as Niki and Maya. But come on, there's so much underlying shit there that it just doesn't work.

Same stuff happened with NieR, actually. Was a happy consoomer of 2B porn until I played through both games. After that - she became a completely un-sexualizable character for me. And yeah, that shit gave me like a month and a half of depression.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Joining the club of "haven't jorked it to LiL".

I left that club half of the year ago, I believe.