Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[datboylelix]

The NTR tag isn't suitable for this story. People who seek out works based on the tag would be bitterly disappointed, and many people who avoid the tag as a matter of policy would miss out on an engaging journey. For another example of a story that could technically be labeled as such but shouldn't be and isn't, see Pale Carnations.

In fact, it's still plenty arguable that LiL doesn't contain "actual" NTR yet. I would bet that it'll never be clear-cut, if only because the other males in the story hardly exist as characters. Who knows, though, where the author will go in his apparent quest to confuse and alienate everyone...

That's a fair point. I'm new to this AVN stuff, so I apologise if I got the terminology wrong.

I didn't like the fact that one of the love interests gets gang raped after I've already sunk a lot of time into this game. I feel like there should be some kind of tag or warning for something like this, because if I knew ahead of time this was going to be a thing I would have avoided this game. Even though the characters are extremely well written, after that Yuki event I'm definitely done.

 

[Bingoogus]

I didn't like the fact that one of the love interests gets gang raped after I've already sunk a lot of time into this game. I feel like there should be some kind of tag or warning for something like this, because if I knew ahead of time this was going to be a thing I would have avoided this game. Even though the characters are extremely well written, after that Yuki event I'm definitely done.

That's the risk you take with unfinished games bro. Nothing stopping Selly from having a reset event that changes all the girls into teen boys and Akira into a woman, or gay... you can never be sure what a dev might do later on so to say 'if i knew i wouldn't have touched this' is completely meaningless... if you don't like where things are going, just drop the game and play something else.

As for the NTR tag, i've already put it to the mods and they said they don't give a fuck, gang rape isn't NTR in their definition and they don't care about any arguments outside of that so the game won't be getting that tag... the militant anti-NTR crowd is so vocal they buy into their own bullshit, netorare is specifically about inducing feelings of jealousy in the reader/player, but they've turned it into 'if a penis exists that isn't 'mine' then i am being cucked and that penis needs to be removed from the game!'.

If a game's content bothers you, just drop it and play something else. Also, stfu about it.

 

[Reonoss]

That's a fair point. I'm new to this AVN stuff, so I apologise if I got the terminology wrong.

I didn't like the fact that one of the love interests gets gang raped after I've already sunk a lot of time into this game. I feel like there should be some kind of tag or warning for something like this, because if I knew ahead of time this was going to be a thing I would have avoided this game. Even though the characters are extremely well written, after that Yuki event I'm definitely done.

To quote Selebus: "If the game was gonna have NTR, I would definitely not put a tag for it. Because I would WANT to hurt you."

 

[datboylelix]

netorare is specifically about inducing feelings of jealousy in the reader/player

Well I probably should have looked up the meaning of NTR, because I thought it meant other male characters fucking the love interests besides the protagonist. Now that I know this is apparently a thing I'll be more careful from now on.

I guess a warning or something is too much to ask for and I should just "stfu about it."

 

[Bingoogus]

I guess a warning or something is too much to ask for and I should just "stfu about it."

Yep.

 

[derekthered56]

I guess a warning or something is too much to ask for and I should just "stfu about it."

"Please note, some things in this game may be meant to confuse or disturb you."

 

[datboylelix]

"Please note, some things in this game may be meant to confuse or disturb you."

Damn, can't even argue with that lmao

 

[TheGoodPastor]

That's a fair point. I'm new to this AVN stuff, so I apologise if I got the terminology wrong.

I didn't like the fact that one of the love interests gets gang raped after I've already sunk a lot of time into this game. I feel like there should be some kind of tag or warning for something like this, because if I knew ahead of time this was going to be a thing I would have avoided this game. Even though the characters are extremely well written, after that Yuki event I'm definitely done.

I mean, I feel like the appropriate tag in this instance is just "rape" and the page here is tagged with rape.

 

[Detective Dc345]

uhhh where's the NTR tag? People are in for a rude awakening when they reach 0.50.

Just because Yuki had sex (albeit non consesually) with other guys doesn't make it NTR. Techinically the only way for NTR to be in this game is if Sensei walked in on some other guy, balls deep in Niki. But thats a stretch since Sensei and Niki aren't in a exclusive relationship. Rin and Chika doesn't count either since they have an "open relationship" of sorts. The main character that being Sensei would have to be cheated on in order for there to be NTR. What you can make an argument for is "Netorase" which is sharing. But given that Sensei isn't sharing anyone, its not very strong.

 

[SlidingSubject]

I mean, I feel like the appropriate tag in this instance is just "rape" and the page here is tagged with rape.

It's a bit... dunno how to say it, unless it's explicitly framed as such with all the related emotions that we as a collective understand should come from rape, one tends to overlook it, especially if it's done by the main character. See Rance games for an example, he's even called out for it in-universe and just shrugs it off, the "Rape is like killing a girl!" bit coming to mind (though it does deserve the tag since dark stuff does happen, though Rance is generally the one solving that). In LiL, since they're his students, and only starting high school too, the tag applies for that too, and since this IS an AVN, it tends to get overlooked, so when darker situations happen, it seems like you weren't warned.

 

[69BOI69]

The lack of consequences for everything is what gets me, its just too unreal.
You're telling me Sara is ok with threesomes after one small talk with Sana.
She looked absolutely ruined before that.
Sana becoming a freak so fast is also a bit off, would have been nicer if we got to move her that way over time instead of a light switch flick.

I miss the end of chapter 3.

I'm hoping it's something to do with the resets and does matter and it's not just played off as just another thing. Sensei breaking from consequences finally happening was great (story wise) and I hope we see something worthwhile happening.

 

[FussyCat72]

Yuki's event felt worse than NTR though, imo, since you at least know full well what to expect with those games. This event will likely remain an ongoing point of significant contention for the rest of the game - provided even worse things don't happen in future updates that overshadow it.

What I hate most is that this is now something on the table at all. When thinking about future updates, rather than being intrigued about where the story's going, I'm more concerned with "Who's next?". Ayane? Yasu? Rin? Which wasn't a consideration or expectation I had from the previous 49 updates.

I wish F95 had the "Unavoidable Rape by Others" tag like on VNDB. NTR doesn't fit, and people will (rightly) assume the existing rape tag applies to Akira. I wouldn't even mind so much if, say Maki, went out to get consentually gangbanged if she wanted to. It's the non-consentual part and it not being relegated to a tragic backstory or end-of-the-world/reset madness that really brings the game down for me.

 

[SlidingSubject]

It's the non-consentual part

The Yumi, Molly, Io, and (somewhat) Karin scenes didn't set this off before? As I said, I can understand how the gangrape will be a point of contention, but we've crossed the non-con line a long time ago.

 

[shmurfer]

Yuki's event felt worse than NTR though, imo, since you at least know full well what to expect with those games. This event will likely remain an ongoing point of significant contention for the rest of the game - provided even worse things don't happen in future updates that overshadow it.

What I hate most is that this is now something on the table at all. When thinking about future updates, rather than being intrigued about where the story's going, I'm more concerned with "Who's next?". Ayane? Yasu? Rin? Which wasn't a consideration or expectation I had from the previous 49 updates.

I wish F95 had the "Unavoidable Rape by Others" tag like on VNDB. NTR doesn't fit, and people will (rightly) assume the existing rape tag applies to Akira. I wouldn't even mind so much if, say Maki, went out to get consentually gangbanged if she wanted to. It's the non-consentual part and it not being relegated to a tragic backstory or end-of-the-world/reset madness that really brings the game down for me.

Isn't F95 still planning on a tag update? Sounds like a suggestion needs to be made, though I think your suggestion is a bit off. There needs to be a tag for a MC who rapes, other characters who get raped by others, and then maybe one for the MC being raped during the game (as a scene and not just text backstory) Not my hill to name them though

 

[Moonflare]

The game very clearly has NTR because if you're in a relationship with someone, and then you catch them having sex with your sister in front of you (and that leaves you a complete wreck)... there's not really another name to give to that. It's plain cheating.

Now, does it excuse the tag because it's not the protagonist that is being cheated on? That's a matter of debate. In fact, I just mentioned the most recent and blatant of them, but in terms of Akira cheating on people, and they finding out, the entire game's about NTR. Sure, you might say that most relationships are "open", but there are quite a few that aren't interpreted as that by the girls, and even those that are have their fair share of feeling "cucked".

I think the choice of not giving it that tag is a political one. Because the game is not about netorare, it is a story that contains it. And what people get from an ntr tag is: "this entire story is for me to get off by seeing the protagonist being cucked", which most certainly isn't the case.

*I'm for adding the ntr tag, if that wasn't clear.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

Question about dorm wars update.

Spoiler: Nodoka

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Does anybody have a theory on this? I really need some copium after both Nodokathon and Niki forgetting her talk with Ami at christmas.

Actually, I do have one, but I have no proof and no character that fits the bill, but I kinda feel that Nodoka on Nodokathon 2.0 wasn't her, exactly because of the hug thing, and neither was Himawari, because she can adapt quickly, but there are no more known shapeshifters that fit.

 

[FussyCat72]

The Yumi, Molly, Io, and (somewhat) Karin scenes didn't set this off before? As I said, I can understand how the gangrape will be a point of contention, but we've crossed the non-con line a long time ago.

I should have been more clear that it was specifically the non-protagonist rape part. I didn't have an issue with Akira's actions because they were within my expectations, based on the existing tags and description, since the start of the game.

 

[FussyCat72]

Isn't F95 still planning on a tag update? Sounds like a suggestion needs to be made, though I think your suggestion is a bit off. There needs to be a tag for a MC who rapes, other characters who get raped by others, and then maybe one for the MC being raped during the game (as a scene and not just text backstory) Not my hill to name them though

I feel like the tag update has been in the works for quite a while - if it ever does happen, I would hope to have as many descriptive tags as possible - more tags, more better. Give people more power to find the things they like, and filter out the things they don't.

 

[gazgiz]

provided even worse things don't happen in future updates that overshadow it.

I think if you've played this far into the game and you're still saying thing like this, I have no idea what game you though you were playing or how you managed to hang this long

 

[69BOI69]

The Yumi, Molly, Io, and (somewhat) Karin scenes didn't set this off before? As I said, I can understand how the gangrape will be a point of contention, but we've crossed the non-con line a long time ago.

while sexual assault and statutory rape is most definitely a main stay of this game, I don't think rape had actually (on screen) happened if I remember correctly. Io is probably the worse case and in contention with this but none was actually shown.