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ugoughi90

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Hi everyone, I took a break from LiL and the forum for a couple of months until the new update dropped, but since then I’ve tried to catch up at least the last 30 pages. This update was really good — it’s been since… ever that I felt so emotionally invested in a story and its characters.


About the world and the wishes… it’s all quite confusing. What I thought to be a world inspired by DnD’s Ravenloft setting, the Domains of Dread and their Darklords (which I still think it is, at least as a basic premise of inspiration), is instead revealed to be a bureaucratic mess of a universe, where all the figures of power are less outright evil and more just insane, desperate gods willing to do anything to keep existing. (As I slowly replayed the game, I realized the first DnD session we see literally has the standard introduction to any Ravenloft campaign: “You are taken by the mists from different realms and find yourselves together in a new world,” with Sensei even implicitly acknowledging it’s something he can relate to).


About Ami: I think Ami is not irredeemable as a character, but I do think the current iteration of her is. We’ve seen her character kill in two different realities, and we know she’s done it more times before. We’ve seen her being negatively influenced by Sekai’s ghost (or in person); she’s becoming more unhinged and villain-like with each update, and she has untreated psychopathic tendencies that have gone unacknowledged for far too long in her life.

I think i remember this isn’t even the first time she’s threatened to kill Sensei (or at least pondered violence while talking to no one - probably Sekai or a god), since she had that mental breakdown when she cut her hair, but i’m not sure.

To me, it seems her real mental changes began when she started reading her mom’s poems in Chapter 2 (like in the “My Life With You” event). Before that, either she didn’t retain all her memories from past cycles, or she was simply so used to seeing Sensei reset each time and to easily seduce him again and again. Once Sensei stopped resetting and began to truly progress with other girls, she became increasingly unstable and unable to keep up the act anymore.

Anyway, I actually think the end of the current route, the Harem Route, can’t be possible while Ami, or at least this iteration of Ami exists. My opinion is that the end of the Harem Route will show a world without Ami and without resets.
In such an ending, Akira will be able to finally “complete” his harem at the cost of Ami (or at least this version of her). But without the resets to erase time-progression issues, everything will continue into the Dark Route, which will take place in a more “normal” world. Himawary herself said so, the time of this ever-resetting world is coming to an end. Still, i'm not so convinced beacuse i can't see Sel completely remove a character for the whole Dark Route.


Himawari’s pocket world: I like to imagine Himawari’s pocket world simply a world where Maya never existed, with the progression of thing going as (all of this is my imagination going, nothing with solid bases on):

  • Maya was never there to give solace to Sensei -> Sensei finds solace in Ami much sooner than the current timeline.
  • Sensei keeps screwing his students, then falls in love with Ayane, Ayane gets pregnant and Sensei finds in his new daughter something he can love more than Ami, mirroring Sekai’s events when Ami was born.
  • Sensei and Ami keep seeing eachother, but keep their relationship secret to everyone, again mirroring his story with Sekai.
  • Ayane finds out about them / Sensei tells the truth to Ayane many years later, he has to make a decision - to choose between Ayane and Himawari and Ami – He choose the first.
  • Time passes until the events of Himawari’s pocket world are realized.
Also, i think Himawari will be born in the Dark Route world, the linear timeline world, and chose her path after seeing her dad offing himself due to events that still have to happen in this timeline, Akira's future suicide was implied too many times to not have an important relevance in the story.
 

crustlord12

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Sure, but I don't think that applies to the Ami in Himawari's dream world. Resets don't happen there in the same way, and Himawari (both of them) act like she's completely normal there.
Doesn't the interaction with Sana imply there have been resets though?
I didnt say any of this.
Im not saying shes at fault for being broken, im saying she cant be fixed (with what we know at the moment).
In ALL potential futures we have seen she has failed to be present or change, in the world in which sekai lives, she murders nodoka for touching akira, did she go through trauma there too, in a perfect world where her perfect mother never died? Yeah i dont fucking think so.

She has persisted for thousands upon thousands of years (if maya prime is anything to go off) and has ALWAYS been psychopathic.

"Shes nice to himawari"
Yeah, of course she is. Thats what manipulators do, this is so on brand im not even sure where to start on explaining it, in the same conversation where himawari says ami is always nice, ami is literally shit talking HER MOTHER.
She NEEDS to treat himawari well cause its a gateway to getting back to akira and thats exactly what we are seeing. Ami doesnt LIKE himawari, ami is using her as a tool. She has gone from raping maya to being nice to her in the span of mere sentences. I forget the name of this abuse cycle but its very well documented in relationships. You hurt your partner then proceed to lovebomb them and it absolutely ruins peoples psyche. Its a well documented manipulation tactic by psychos and can lead to stockholme syndrome and severe dependency issues.

Ami fucking sucks, could she have a redemption arc? Maybe. Do i think its going to happen with what we know currently? No. But we are only halfway through the game so who knows, personally its looking like the only option is a self sacrifice so far. Would explain the angel ami fairly well in the happy event.

For the record, id like to point out that i said ami having a go at akira after the niki noriko incident was a w for her. She has been canning up her problems for the sake of a man who doesnt deserve it, its good that she could finally have a moment to reflect on how horrible he is, and how horrible she has been for once instead of bending over backwards for him.
But we need to see more of that reflection before anything changes.

Irregardless of her development. She cannot have akira in the end.
And currently, thats ground for murdering him.

Additionally, there will never be a way to slice akira leaving ami as anything but shitty. But lets be real, ami doesnt need akira, she needs centuries of therapy.
I agree with you that she's absolutely a classic manipulator but considering that we know this is a game, she's all but guaranteed to have a redemption arc and a positive ending. Whether she deserves it is up for argument but she's getting redeemed eventually, one way or another.
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I agree with you that she's absolutely a classic manipulator but considering that we know this is a game, she's all but guaranteed to have a redemption arc and a positive ending. Whether she deserves it is up for argument but she's getting redeemed eventually, one way or another.
Cool with me as long as its well written.
If i can warm up to Otoha im sure i could to Ami too with some development. But rn i wanna throw her into that hole IO found.
 

platinumgoose

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Many ways for Maya's wish to go wrong, but I have ideas.

First idea. What if Maya sees Ami, and wishes to share her place? Ami is happy to share, but is unhappy when Maya tries to take over, and be the only one. This is why when Maya cries about how she is being punished for falling in love, she is going against her wish. She wanted a world where she could share Sensei with Ami, but instead she is in love, and want to not share anymore.

Second idea I have. What if Maya wishes for a world with no death? This is why resets happen so many times, because people die and makes everything reset. People said before they think that Chinami dies for reset, but another reset happens right when Ami disappears, and dies. Mini reset happens in Bluejay. Something happens to break the wish, maybe the gods getting bored, which makes Makoto Dad die, and the school collapse, because world, and wish is breaking apart.

Third idea I have. Maya wishes for a world where Sensei is alive, but she blames herself for him dying. She is not allowed to fall in love with Sensei, because in her wish she cannot love Sensei, or he will die.

Sorry I am not as clever as other people here, but I have read everything here for a long time, and every time I am excited to read people's clever ideas. I like Deskel, Aramaug, and many others clever ideas a lot.
 

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Second idea I have. What if Maya wishes for a world with no death? This is why resets happen so many times, because people die and makes everything reset. People said before they think that Chinami dies for reset, but another reset happens right when Ami disappears, and dies. Mini reset happens in Bluejay. Something happens to break the wish, maybe the gods getting bored, which makes Makoto Dad die, and the school collapse, because world, and wish is breaking apart.

Third idea I have. Maya wishes for a world where Sensei is alive, but she blames herself for him dying. She is not allowed to fall in love with Sensei, because in her wish she cannot love Sensei, or he will die.
I think most likely Akira's happiness is an element of the wish so it's more a case of people he cares about not being able to die. Letting just Makoto's dad die when people have been unable to die subsequently doesn't make much sense/would be a bit too convenient.

I do like the notion that Maya's inability to get close to Akira is the result of her own wish, though. It's been talked a bit about how Maya herself could have started out as a more innocent wish that was corrupted by Akira's trauma so it's interesting to consider that she may have wished for his life and happiness but subconsciously excluded herself from the equation out of guilt and created her own worst nightmare.
 

platinumgoose

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You dare leave out Bingoogus????????
I like to see his posts, and he makes me smile, but I meant that I was talking about people who post their ideas. Bingoogus is the funny one, who keeps people talking :)

I think most likely Akira's happiness is an element of the wish so it's more a case of people he cares about not being able to die. Letting just Makoto's dad die when people have been unable to die subsequently doesn't make much sense/would be a bit too convenient.

I do like the notion that Maya's inability to get close to Akira is the result of her own wish, though. It's been talked a bit about how Maya herself could have started out as a more innocent wish that was corrupted by Akira's trauma so it's interesting to consider that she may have wished for his life and happiness but subconsciously excluded herself from the equation out of guilt and created her own worst nightmare.
I do not know, and others who can understand better maybe understand more than me. I think something in the world is starting to break, which makes the other school a big hole. I think this is the same with Makoto's Dad. Himawari said that the gods wanted were getting tired of the world, so maybe this is why the wish, and the world is starting to fall apart with other details?
 
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Bingoogus is the funny one, who keeps people talking :)
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