Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

Even though aramaug is wrong about Ami because the truth is that Ami was never real...cues dramatic music! I also have to stop joking around and actually commend him in fighting to keep the theorizing side of the thread alive. Keep up the good fight.
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Oh, also, results are in:

35 people are done with Ami as of 0.52 (sane reasonable people)
11 people still hold hope for her somehow (these people completed the pacifist run on undertale at the very least)
1 bingoogus person is laughing at ami giving head non-sexually

 

[shmurfer]

I recall he did a longer pauses for the last year, he wasnt consist(mostly coz of patreon crash out but still) and updates took longer than 1-2mo.
1 animation of jumping Kirin, Molly's and Sana's pounding made by 5-10 days(or even less), would insrease update's worth much more than % of 5-10days to 60days, much more.

It just depreciates the main idea of LiL, of pursing the girls(since it's strong side is plot and tense, hot and ambiguous situations , not sexy 3d models or constant sex scenes and etc), when you know there will be 3 renders and "pounding" sound.

Whatever his workflow is, sex animations fuck with it badly. Even using the stock koikatsu animations he had to split them appearing in 0.47 and 0.48. It's not a 5 minute thing like people are assuming. I could imagine it's perfectionism fucking with lack of control of the animation's angles.

formyfather.mp3 was included in the 0.52 update patch but isn't used in the game (yet).

There was also a date of death image this update, though no real context for it, just another weird thing happens and then spooky text and audio plays afterward.

The filename is todd (.png).

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

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11 people still hold hope for her somehow (these people completed the pacifist run on undertale at the very least)
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Actually I only did a neutral run and then a genocide

 

[Do1ball]

I can't for the LIFE of me figure out the Smile Mile answer..does anybody have the solutions?

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

11 people still hold hope for her somehow

I would be truly stunned if Ami simply remained evil the entire game. Like, really? She just sucks? That’s it? No way. It feels way too simple.

Perhaps it won’t happen until the next Chapter or the Dark Route, but we’ll still get an answer eventually.

Assuming this is our Ami, just revealing her true colors now, perhaps it’s a Monika from DDLC situation.

Spoiler: DDLC spoilers

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It would still make the Ami we see in “Lamb Legs” plausible, because when she says ‘none of this is me’, perhaps she means that the loops/simulation changed her for the worst.

Let us not forget that Maya Prime alludes to killing people in the past too, as she went through a similar crisis as Ami. We just don’t see any of it on screen.

When you and you alone (from your perspective) know the truth of the world, wouldn’t you go a bit crazy after awhile?

We’ll get through to Ami eventually by the end of the game. It just won’t be easy. And it won’t happen for quite some time.

 

[Moonflare]

I can't for the LIFE of me figure out the Smile Mile answer..does anybody have the solutions?

We post a trigger guide and puzzle guide (when necessary) every update.
https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-52-0-selebus.48158/post-17987342

I would be truly stunned if Ami simply remained evil the entire game. Like, really? She just sucks? That’s it? No way. It feels way too simple.

I think there is a revelation, yes. But I mean that people are done with current Ami's arc. As to the revelation, I do think Ami is likely to have started the resets herself and be actually protecting Akira by all this murder-hobo nonsense. But then again, that's how I'd write it - because another possibility is that she just went insane and thinks she's protecting Akira. Which would be much more tragic.

Many things aren't right, as people have pointed out already. Someone with knowledge of the resets far superior to Maya, and that has retained her memories through countless cycles would be much less inclined to hold Akira as such an obsession imo. But who knows how Selebus sees it.

 

[beh123234]

I would be truly stunned if Ami simply remained evil the entire game. Like, really? She just sucks? That’s it? No way. It feels way too simple.

Perhaps it won’t happen until the next Chapter or the Dark Route, but we’ll still get an answer eventually.

Assuming this is our Ami, just revealing her true colors now, perhaps it’s a Monika from DDLC situation.

Spoiler: DDLC spoilers

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It would still make the Ami we see in “Lamb Legs” plausible, because when she says ‘none of this is me’, perhaps she means that the loops/simulation changed her for the worst.

Let us not forget that Maya Prime alludes to killing people in the past too, as she went through a similar crisis as Ami. We just don’t see any of it on screen.

When you and you alone (from your perspective) know the truth of the world, wouldn’t you go a bit crazy after awhile?

We’ll get through to Ami eventually by the end of the game. It just won’t be easy. And it won’t happen for quite some time.

Piggybacking off of this, if we end up getting into multiverse shenanigans, I wonder if there will be any future arcs where a different Ami that hasn't just given up and turned evil might enter the narrative, maybe even confronting our current Ami in one way or another.

Not gonna lie, I do hope that there's some kind of redemption for our Ami. If she wasn't an evil little shit, I actually would prefer her personality now over the off-putting cutesy act she's been running with this whole time. I like her sarcasm and nonchalant bluntness, to the point where I was really crossing my fingers going into this update hoping that we could start a genuine reconciliation with her. Oh well for now, I suppose, and I'll hope that bridge isn't burned forever, but I'll expect that it will be.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

If it turns out it's been the same Ami pretending the whole time that would be pretty disappointing for me for various reasons, I won't believe it until there's concrete evidence

Same; that'd be not just a disappointing reveal, but a lazy one; lazy enough to not care about how much sense it could make all the way throughout the entire story since the beginning.

Spoiler: Some Ami related thoughts from v0.52 though

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Is the "Good Uncle" path more or less defunct now? Was idly wondering if there was any variation of note in this last update leading up to the death of Nu Maya.

IIRC only minor differences in dialogues when Sensei talked to Ami; nothing major. THOUGH, I thought red pathers should have been "softlocked" in this recent reset in a joke manner because there shouldn't be a cum jar for Sensei to craft lavender perfume, but don't think about it too much it rots your brain.

 

[Moonflare]

I have a question that I think hasn't been posed recently. Tbh I don't know if even Selebus knows. But how does the reset actually happens?

Spoiler: what i mean

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Edit: Furthermore there's also the question of if the reset was triggered because Akira went into a state of shock by seeing Maya's head, or it was the sacrifice of Maya (same as the previous sacrifice of Ami) that summoned the reset (or rather broke the world, putting it into a state that needs a reset).

 

[shmurfer]

I don't think Sel has narrowed down what actually causes a reset to start. The fact that Maya could feel them coming on before Akira passes out into a reset puzzle implies the process doesn't involve him at all. Yasu was also able to be a conduit for HOPE berating Akira for not following orders before he passes into reset time. He only felt weird one time and that was during the end of Chapter 3, otherwise he's alert enough to berate Maya for harassing Ayane until the moment he slips into the room with HOPE, or can turn around and see the others T posing before he enters untitled children's tv show.

Ending a reset seems to be based on making a wish tho.

 

[harrytrumankr]

I don't think Sel has narrowed down what actually causes a reset to start. The fact that Maya could feel them coming on before Akira passes out into a reset puzzle implies the process doesn't involve him at all. Yasu was also able to be a conduit for HOPE berating Akira for not following orders before he passes into reset time. He only felt weird one time and that was during the end of Chapter 3, otherwise he's alert enough to berate Maya for harassing Ayane until the moment he slips into the room with HOPE, or can turn around and see the others T posing before he enters untitled children's tv show.

Ending a reset seems to be based on making a wish tho.

even how a reset works itself is a mystery. wdym Ayane has to do reset puzzles as well? and why trivia questions?? how does this shit work? isn’t information usable in reset puzzles only perceived by the player?

 

[Ern The Skáld]

Things adulting is making me late for:
Silksong
Hell is Us
Actual good fucking update

Bruh, why is it all at the same time. Fucking work crunches.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Yumi Fitting

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[TBone9]

Spoiler: New Trainee

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That backroom is gonna be super busy now.

Though even if that's true, it doesn't necessarily mean Ami was replaced; she might have always been from the sea.

She didn't live in a pineapple, did she?

 

[aramaug]

What if Ami isn't real in the wider world? Himawari, yes, but what if Ami too? What if Kyoto? What if she exists now because of Sensei's belief in her, like in the gods' case?

I think there's pretty good evidence (one of the many things I need to find time to write up some day...) that Ami only exists in this world because of a wish from Sekai and/or Akira. I don't think that makes her any less real, she's still their daughter, the wish just changed the past to allow her birth to happen.

I don't know what that means for the "real world", we just have far too little information about how it and the "simulation" are connected.

I have a question that I think hasn't been posed recently. Tbh I don't know if even Selebus knows. But how does the reset actually happens?

Spoiler: what i mean

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Edit: Furthermore there's also the question of if the reset was triggered because Akira went into a state of shock by seeing Maya's head, or it was the sacrifice of Maya (same as the previous sacrifice of Ami) that summoned the reset (or rather broke the world, putting it into a state that needs a reset).

I see a few possibilities:

• Something teleported them to the roof. (We know that can happen in this world, especially when physical laws break down during a reset.)
• They walked to the roof while blacked out (like Sensei has done in previous resets).
• They're not really on the roof at all, that's just how their minds perceive some space between worlds they can't comprehend.

As for which one it is... I'm not sure it really matters. I think trying to find literal meaning in every little detail - especially during resets - is a mistake when Selebus is generally more concerned with symbolic meaning and themes. In some sense the roof is probably important because it had special meaning to Maya ("Baby Finches"), which then became special meaning to Sensei. It also works symbolically as high ground above the metaphorical flood destroying the world. Though there's probably more to it than that - I still wonder why Nodoka ended up there and what she was expecting to find.

My understanding is that there's no particular cause which starts a normal reset event. They happen because the world breaks down over time - apparently these artificial worlds have limited lifespans, which have become far shorter than they should be as the well fails. The reset itself (fixing the world or making a new one) is triggered by the gods (or maybe just Wires), traditionally after a wish from Maya Prime. (I don't think Ami's death triggered the sixth reset, it had already started before that happened.)

Factory resets are different; they're still triggered by gods, but only after something breaks so badly that the timeline can't be fixed, so everything needs to start over. From Maya Prime we know this often happened when Sensei was confronted with something he wasn't equipped to handle, like the return of suppressed memories. I imagine something similar was triggered when he saw Maya's head, especially since it was a gift from Ami. Himawari specifically said the universe was undergoing a factory reset. They don't need to be directly linked to Sensei, though; Wires unsuccessfully tried to protect himself with a factory reset in "Pop Goes the Weasel".

 

[DyonisXX]

I fucking love this game

 

[DyonisXX]

I'm doing Makoto's quiz right now and I legit have no idea how you're supposed to figure out these Gods' names

I'm also really sick right now so my mind isn't working at 100% and maybe I just forgot, but I can't recall any of them mentioned, except maybe Floral Laura, that one sticks to my mind for some reason

 

[shmurfer]

I'm doing Makoto's quiz right now and I legit have no idea how you're supposed to figure out these Gods' names

I'm also really sick right now so my mind isn't working at 100% and maybe I just forgot, but I can't recall any of them mentioned, except maybe Floral Laura, that one sticks to my mind for some reason

I believe they're all gods that have only been introduced since Chapter 4. If you blanked on that much, well at least the sex scenes are great.

 

[DyonisXX]

I believe they're all gods that have only been introduced since Chapter 4. If you blanked on that much, well at least the sex scenes are great.

I went back like 100-200 save pages and found Giuseppe and Halftone, my god did my brain not deign it important enough to keep random Gods in my memory over several months, I guess this is one of the downsides of longform content

But yeah, I guess if you don't remember then you have to either find old save files or just check random main/happy events until you stumble into them again

 

[TheGoodPastor]

I'm doing Makoto's quiz right now and I legit have no idea how you're supposed to figure out these Gods' names

I'm also really sick right now so my mind isn't working at 100% and maybe I just forgot, but I can't recall any of them mentioned, except maybe Floral Laura, that one sticks to my mind for some reason

You mean to tell me you don't remember the name of the God of Save Slots? He's such an integral character.

For real though I think most or all of them are on the character list on the wiki. Aside from that it's just flicking through old events or remembering. I've got a good memory but I'm really shit with names for some reason so it was kind of a pain in the ass but finding the events wasn't too hard lol

Anyway, if you can't be bothered and still need them the answers are gossamer, giuseppe, pegasus, halftone, floral laura, necalli, onund, harimanti, arramin and apollo in that order.