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I dunno, we're all gonna skirt around what each of us is actually keeping caged in our mental dungeons so maybe my assumptions are off cause our beasts are radically different, but it just seems to me that Haruka is like a version of myself i wouldn't be able to understand, weak, stupid, like profoundly stupid, and nasty about how they see other people... i can't be that way, even on my worst days i can't see other people just as tools for my use... but then my needs have never been too hard to meet within my mind or in my pornography, so bleh, maybe my place at the head of the dunce table is well deserved for yet another reason...
I think it's, as mentioned, because Haruka was desperate for any kind of connection. In the red path she does as you say, she keeps the mask, doesn't let it fall, never goes beyond just fantasy or maybe desire, but she still doesn't have a connection. She's just a mask, hollow.
On the other hand, in the green path, she chose the worst person to latch onto. Dunno if I'm correct with this observation, but she seems like one of those people who try to become your ideal, but due to her selfishness (drawing blanks here, if it was something already present or just another consequence of her desperation) she only had a stereotypical impression of Sensei, so she started to feed her darkest desires until they matched what she thought would be Sensei's. Dunno how to say this without implying it's Sensei's fault (even if it maybe kinda is).
 

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I don't wholly get this empathizing with Haruka thing you've got going on tbh... like i get we're all walking our own paths and each have our own demon's to fight, lord knows i have an intimidating one of my own but i've just never really felt like the mask was all that hard to wear...
I might be jumping the gun, but my interpretation is that we're empathizing with the fact that she cheated on her husband (if he's even alive) - not the predator thing. We're empathizing because she was dealt a really bad hand, was lonely and faithful for years, and then succumbed to temptation, for Akira to capitalize on that.

At least that was what I agreed with, and the part of the whole deal that I do empathize with.
 

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I might be jumping the gun, but my interpretation is that we're empathizing with the fact that she cheated on her husband (if he's even alive) - not the predator thing. We're empathizing because she was dealt a really bad hand, was lonely and faithful for years, and then succumbed to temptation, for Akira to capitalize on that.

At least that was what I agreed with, and the part of the whole deal that I do empathize with.
Ah... well in that case i am way off... i was sitting her thinking about it and i was like 'i got my own shit my animal brain wants to do but i ain't gonna do that, i don't see people as prey, so i'm not a predator and so i can't empathize with predators... but do you need to be one to empathize? Maybe they mean sympathize? Can i sympathize with a predator? Not really, the mask is a benefit to both parties... giving in is just a net bad situation... so wtf are they empathizing with? I don't get it...'.
 

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I don't wholly get this empathizing with Haruka thing you've got going on tbh... like i get we're all walking our own paths and each have our own demon's to fight, lord knows i have an intimidating one of my own but i've just never really felt like the mask was all that hard to wear... it's never been difficult for me to say no to my appetites as my immediate thoughts have always been about the impact of feeding them on the victims... i've had several opportunities, i might've burned the images into my mind for later use, but actually taking action? God no, not even for a second... so discussing someone who decides to drop the mask and let the monster out... what a complete and utter pussy... a douche and a reprehensible cunt... the mask is as beneficial for you as it is for them... maintain a separation between the animal and sapient mind...

I dunno, we're all gonna skirt around what each of us is actually keeping caged in our mental dungeons so maybe my assumptions are off cause our beasts are radically different, but it just seems to me that Haruka is like a version of myself i wouldn't be able to understand, weak, stupid, like profoundly stupid, and nasty about how they see other people... i can't be that way, even on my worst days i can't see other people just as tools for my use... but then my needs have never been too hard to meet within my mind or in my pornography, so bleh, maybe my place at the head of the dunce table is well deserved for yet another reason...

Edit: Just gonna add a little edit here, i do not at all judge anyone for having an appetite for something, no matter what it is, but i will viscerally judge someone for feeding that appetite at the expense of others. That's one of my core philosophical positions and i will not budge from it. What you having going on in your mind is your business, but making it a reality, making victims of other people, that's 100% society's business. Not accusing anyone of anything, just adding context to what i'm saying.
The big difference between us and Haruka is that I doubt any of us have an Akira in our lives. He's the sexual equivalent of crack cocaine.
 

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best / worst / thought provoking quote from this game to set as pinned tweet?
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God, i wish we got more boner time with Molly. Breaking the little Irish succubus, how could somebody say no when she does that provocative look
Molly is by far one of my favorites. Like tied for top 2, maybe. She uses her game humor to cover her pain, and is also so horny she shakes like a chihuahua. 10/10

Also her showing up for like half the game for the weeb notes before her official introduction was peak.
 

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This just reminded me of the conversation between Molly and Akira, when they had their first sexual interaction. When Akira meets her, she's so hot that he just goes "fuck it, teleport me back, Pareidolia" :ROFLMAO:
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And then there's another one in this same conversation, where Molly just goes "you're super nice, but sometimes I wish you'd just break me instead", and even Pareidolia is just like "GODDAMN" lol
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*these are not word for word, obviously.

Edit: I've added the screenshots and this one part that I forgot about:
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I just love this series of events so much :ROFLMAO:
Seeing these conversations reminded me of how much I hated Paredolia, and how much I miss it nowadays ;-;
I genuinely hope he comes back at some point.
 

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is it me or using console commands to increase lust love no longer work?
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only changing with urm works
 

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"Ignore the whore and get back to the task at hand!"
This was basically my entire inner monologue through uni :ROFLMAO: (the whore was my inner whore)
Seeing these conversations reminded me of how much I hated Paredolia, and how much I miss it nowadays ;-;
I'm so curious as to how he ended up with Yumi, and that he was also watching Himawari. How much of what he told Akira about sacrificing himself was true, and how much is all part of his plan?
 
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This was basically my entire inner monologue through uni :ROFLMAO: (the whore was my inner whore)

I'm so curious as to how he ended up with Yumi, and that he was also watching Himawari. How much of what he told Akira about sacrificing himself was true, and how much is all part of his plan?
Lmao, i cannot picture you whoring it up... you're Grandma Mooney! You're too... sensible and cerebral... you lack any real sense of thirsting for it... if memory serves, i think you've only ever been vocal about lusting for Wakana?
 
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Ah... well in that case i am way off... i was sitting her thinking about it and i was like 'i got my own shit my animal brain wants to do but i ain't gonna do that, i don't see people as prey, so i'm not a predator and so i can't empathize with predators... but do you need to be one to empathize? Maybe they mean sympathize? Can i sympathize with a predator? Not really, the mask is a benefit to both parties... giving in is just a net bad situation... so wtf are they empathizing with? I don't get it...'.
I'm not interested in excusing Haruka's actions, but just to make an effort to lay it out here, as someone who's been in the position of hurting others for selfish reasons while fancying themselves a decent person:

Self-delusion is a powerful thing. Haruka doesn't - or didn't - see herself as a bad person. She has lived herself a normal life, and never paid much mind to any darker hungers she may have had until her husband's absence wore her psyche down to nothing. She knows how to be a good person though - and she knows how to be and sometimes genuinely is a caring person for those she cares about. She counsels and listens to Rin and Molly and is happy for her friends and employees when they're happy, and is glad to be able to do what she can to make them happy without it being transactional. She does have a "selfish" streak - she seems to have a habit of being bad at actively supporting her friends in times of need because she's too wrapped up in her own thoughts, or doesn't think to think about others. This, at least, is something I've been guilty of (so heck maybe I'm wrong about it and am just projecting).

It's notable that when she's going after Kirin, she says "I don't want to take advantage of you", and also makes rudimentary overtures at "checking in" with her, while also saying "you'll like this". Haruka's hunger - the selfish parts of her nature that she always keeps in check as part of being a 'good everyday person' has overwhelmed her, and her usual amounts of consideration aren't nearly enough to slap her in the face with the enormity of what she's doing. She says she'll stop calling Kirin pet names then continues doing it. Meanwhile, her brain IS exercising the usual amount of consideration, even as its being completely washed out by her desires ... so the rest of her brain figures that as long as the checking force is in place, she isn't going over the line and is still being a good person - after all, that's what its supposed to be there for.

Meanwhile, taking advantage of someone is literally exactly what she's doing. It isn't until the heat of the moment has passed, and she's sitting there in front of Sara that her head is clear and she knows EXACTLY what she's done - her desires pull away and her 'normal' perceptions take the reins again and sees it all for what it is. She starts deflecting immediately then, and deflection only happens if you feel guilty. The same happened on a reduced scale with Chika earlier.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Haruka is someone with no impulse control - and also no perspective. She knew what she wanted was bad, but thought she could mitigate it by technically receiving consent and also showing some sort of consideration while slaking her hunger. She lacked the perspective to realize that that's impossible when consent is not being given enthusiastically and continually.

Again, none of this is to excuse her behavior. Several serial killers fall under the category of "a person with no impulse control". It does demonstrate that the drives and delusions that create this lack of impulse control are very human, however. Is that evil? I suppose its a question of whether she tries this again after failing so, so spectacularly at having her cake of being a good person and predatorially eating it at the same time.

There's another question to be asked, of is it worse if you do or don't know that the horrible thing you're doing is horrible? What if Haruka had Nodoka's mindset about her own actions, similar to when she aired out Futaba's life against her consent? What if Haruka had zero perception that what she did was wrong, couldn't be swayed from thinking that what she did was right, and actively thinks someone's upset reaction to what she did is only cause the other person didn't sufficiently know her motivations? Is it more horrible if the abuse and exploitation you see someone commit is somehow tangible and relatable, or if its alien and seemingly uncaring? Is that evil?

My personal answer is that there's no such thing as evil. Both possibilities are fucking horrible, for different reasons, and they don't need to be 'evil' to be so. But I can eminently understand other perspectives on this, too.

Edit: its also worth noting that I agree with what others in the thread have said, about how Haruka's hunger and lack of impulse control are as acute and uncontrollable as they are "only" because Sensei decided to go green path, and that without it, Haruka may have still had those desires but would still be able to exist in society not being a bother or abuser to anyone - which colors and textures this tapestry even more.
 
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I don't wholly get this empathizing with Haruka thing you've got going on tbh... like i get we're all walking our own paths and each have our own demon's to fight, lord knows i have an intimidating one of my own but i've just never really felt like the mask was all that hard to wear... it's never been difficult for me to say no to my appetites as my immediate thoughts have always been about the impact of feeding them on the victims... i've had several opportunities, i might've burned the images into my mind for later use, but actually taking action? God no, not even for a second... so discussing someone who decides to drop the mask and let the monster out... what a complete and utter pussy... a douche and a reprehensible cunt... the mask is as beneficial for you as it is for them... maintain a separation between the animal and sapient mind...

I dunno, we're all gonna skirt around what each of us is actually keeping caged in our mental dungeons so maybe my assumptions are off cause our beasts are radically different, but it just seems to me that Haruka is like a version of myself i wouldn't be able to understand, weak, stupid, like profoundly stupid, and nasty about how they see other people... i can't be that way, even on my worst days i can't see other people just as tools for my use... but then my needs have never been too hard to meet within my mind or in my pornography, so bleh, maybe my place at the head of the dunce table is well deserved for yet another reason...

Edit: Just gonna add a little edit here, i do not at all judge anyone for having an appetite for something, no matter what it is, but i will viscerally judge someone for feeding that appetite at the expense of others. That's one of my core philosophical positions and i will not budge from it. What you having going on in your mind is your business, but making it a reality, making victims of other people, that's 100% society's business. Not accusing anyone of anything, just adding context to what i'm saying.
Your apprehension and confusion are perfectly natural: you don't *have to* understand it, and you certainly don't have to *relate* to it. We're all different people who walk different paths in life, each with our own values, beliefs and experiences. Some are stronger, some are weaker; some prefer the light, others thrive in the darkness – that's the beauty of it.

Full disclosure – because this is something that is fundamentally important to understand about me – whenever I engage in *any* discussion about *anything*, I have exactly two goals in mind that always stay consistent: to understand *why* my opponent believes what they do (with *what* they believe being mostly irrelevant) and to show them that another perspective exists (because I think that is very important in and of itself). That's it. I am not concerned with "winning the argument", or "proving my superiority", or "converting" anyone to my camp. I am just a very unusual person with very unusual views who *knows* that the way they see the world is shared only by a few rare others, and is thus very interested in trying to understand how more "normal" people think, in order to be able to glimpse another view on reality through a different lens. Which brings us back to your original point about how weird it is for me to relate to Haruka to such an extent, and allows me to segue nicely into what I am going to say next:

To put it bluntly, I am someone who has seen some shit and lived through some shit, which irreversibly colored my personal perception of the world and affected the way I approach things that most others would likely find despicable and abhorrent. Just to reiterate, I'm not trying to convince anyone that "doing those things is perfectly fine, actually", but to pretend that I am not intimately familiar with the darkness that causes you to "become a monster", or that this darkness has not partially "infected" me as well due to all of my experiences, would be to lie and deny a part of myself – and that goes against one of *my* core philosophical principles, which I *also* won't budge on.

Bottom line: you disagreeing with me is perfectly natural, and I wholeheartedly welcome it – as long as this disagreement comes from a place of an actual clash of ideals/values, rather than just an empty gut reaction.
 

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Bottom line: you disagreeing with me is perfectly natural, and I wholeheartedly welcome it – as long as this disagreement comes from a place of an actual clash of ideals/values, rather than just an empty gut reaction.
I don't so much as disagree as i just don't understand your ability to empathize with her, you see a color i do not, you describe it but i still cannot see it. My own set of lenses is quiet vast... but i don't seem to have that one, and i also seem to lack the socket for it to click into...
 
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