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Bingoogus

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only the ones retarded enough to have the same account name here and there
its as easy as not being stupid enough to use the same handle everywhere
I write nonsense for every different website, Bingoogus, Garbargar, Hoofulamoo, Pincloptus... whatever nonsense first pops into my head that's still pronounceable... i don't want someone to know whotf i am... creepy stalkers... i'm not interested in your anthrosexual appetites...
 

shmurfer

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Was that... not always the case??
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One of the previews was Io being surrounded by the spooky shit, with her having 3 events it seemed like she was having a TSS, then we saw the Rin and the clocks. It looked like Sel was speeding up the TSS'es. Io's event names deconfirm her TSS.
 

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I write nonsense for every different website, Bingoogus, Garbargar, Hoofulamoo, Pincloptus... whatever nonsense first pops into my head that's still pronounceable... i don't want someone to know whotf i am... creepy stalkers... i'm not interested in your anthrosexual appetites...
The reason for your online anonymity is to hide from furry stalkers?????
 

givemeabeer

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The reason for your online anonymity is to hide from furry stalkers?????
Why do I have to search for that word?
Why do I have to click on «images»?

Why was the first result a porn site…?

...

And why was I still so pure for that world, even after what I've seen and what I've done?

At least, I still have vodka :
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That being said, before I vanish again, will the next update appear on January 1st, or soon after?
 
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Okay, so… This is an interpretation that I had been wanting to share with others for a *long* fucking time – pretty much ever since I first started reading Lessons in Love, so more than a year in the making – and I guess the recent discussion about "what was the point of 10 years of LiL?" and the perspectives shared by Moonflare and DeanNoriko (that I almost completely agree with, for the record) have finally given me enough motivation to actually put my thoughts into words. Plus, it’s Christmas (currently; who the fuck knows whether this is still going to be the case by the time I finish writing this shit), so I have a perfect excuse for being a bit more whimsical and emotionally open during this singular day of the year.

There is just one more thing that should be said before I properly dive into it – which is also going to serve as a hell of an opening statement for my following thesis:
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As always, this is going to be fairly out there, deeply introspective and decently personal – not to mention *extremely* fucking long – so, y’know, the usual disclaimers apply: “this is just my perspective on things”, “feel free to ignore this post if it isn’t something you’re interested in reading”, “abandon hope, all ye who enter here”, etcetera.

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My finishing thought, if I were to leave one, would probably be this: I’m not really judging anyone who strongly disagrees with me and *does* share the same “moral” perspective on the events and characters of this game that I (somewhat exaggeratedly) described earlier, but it *does* make me wonder which one of us is closer to the intended “Lessons in Love audience” Selebus writes this story for. Specifically, how much of LiL is supposed to resonate with “normal” people, who would see Akira as a creep and his life as a fate worse than death, compared to the fellow abyss-dwellers (like myself) who thrive in the darkness and can find the underlying beauty in even some of the ugliest possible things.
 

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it *does* make me wonder which one of us is closer to the intended “Lessons in Love audience” Selebus writes this story for. Specifically, how much of LiL is supposed to resonate with “normal” people, who would see Akira as a creep and his life as a fate worse than death
Regardless of what he says (and what he expects in a profit way), I don't think Sel actually intended this game for the general public, doesn't feel like it is the target audience. Also, your entire post made me think of both , and the protagonist from My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU who pretty much was searching for something genuine.
I say that, if you're already deep into reading LiL and didn't get filtered by how LiL it is, you're already relating in some way with the game. And as 今 said, Sensei isn't the protagonist, so you don't have to relate to Sensei to truly experience LiL. I believe it's all about the word of the day, so if you're already commited to the game, what you get out of it is the genuine experience that the game offered you. Though, on a meta level, since this story revolves around him, whether you see him as the pov or as someone you relate to, he's the vehicle by which you experience it, so some crossover is somewhat expected considering his internal thoughts also form part of the story.
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Like, I genuinely cannot imagine what the experience of reading Lessons in Love must be like from the perspective of people who are fundamentally unable to put themselves in Akira’s shoes.
Well, I'm not overly criticizing the post because it's clearly made from an emotional and personal place. But I will point out that maybe you're losing sight of your arguments here and there. As to how the game makes sense to you, that's an interesting perspective. But then, when you question the validity of people's interactions with the story, and even compare that to Selebus' intent with it, you lose me.
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Lastly, I think there's a danger here of taking "you aren’t supposed to self-identify with Sensei" way out of context. Usually this is said towards someone that thinks they are the protagonist, upon starting the game. I haven't ever seen someone say that here meaning "you aren't supposed to relate to anything this character says, does or any situation he's in ever". But I'm presuming you used it as an excuse to write your post, which was interesting tbf.
 
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Regardless of what he says (and what he expects in a profit way), I don't think Sel actually intended this game for the general public, doesn't feel like it is the target audience. Also, your entire post made me think of both , and the protagonist from My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU who pretty much was searching for something genuine.
I say that, if you're already deep into reading LiL and didn't get filtered by how LiL it is, you're already relating in some way with the game. And as 今 said, Sensei isn't the protagonist, so you don't have to relate to Sensei to truly experience LiL. I believe it's all about the word of the day, so if you're already commited to the game, what you get out of it is the genuine experience that the game offered you. Though, on a meta level, since this story revolves around him, whether you see him as the pov or as someone you relate to, he's the vehicle by which you experience it, so some crossover is somewhat expected considering his internal thoughts also form part of the story.
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First of all, just to dispel any doubts:
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Second of all, while I’m not sure if I agree with taking what Nao/The Xoanon says to Akira in “Mother’s Milk” completely at face value, because there is a lot of additional (and not yet understood) meta-context to their statements that severely muddles the water, your point about how “you're already deep into reading LiL and didn't get filtered by how LiL it is, you're already relating in some way with the game” is undoubtedly correct. However, the question of whether or not there is a “right” and “wrong” way to experience Lessons in Love *is* very much a complicated one, since it directly ties into the greater argument of authorial intent vs “Death of The Author” – and, specific to this thread in particular, the whole “Green Path Chads vs Red Path Virgins” (or vice versa, depending on who you ask) endless debate that still keeps happening to this very day (though not as of late, admittedly).

So while, yes, a theoretical person who, for the sake of my extra-specific example, played the entire game on mute (following the guide mod or looking up answers to the puzzles they couldn’t solve on their own), skipped every single event that could be skipped, changed every instance of Akira’s name to “Marty” in the game files and also hated his guts whenever he was on screen did *technically* have an “authentic” experience with LiL of some kind, I can’t wholeheartedly agree with the notion that their experience is in *any* way comparable (not even talking about “good vs bad” comparable – just comparable, period) with what *I* experienced during my own original playthrough of Lessons in Love, neither emotionally nor thematically. At that point we just have to concede that we’re both pretty much reading through two entirely different visual novels with only passing surface-level similarities, so, like, what could the two of us – me and that theoretical weird person –even talk about in relation to LiL? The name of the VN? Koikatsu visuals? Kumon-mi as the setting?

Once again, to reiterate: I am *not* pushing for the idea that “my way is the correct one, and everyone else just didn’t get it”. The point I was trying to make was more about our ability to discuss and connect over our shared experiences as readers, since if there *are* no shared experiences (due to us having viewed every single scene/character in the game through diametrically opposed lenses), then none of our arguments would mean anything to the other side and we would, effectively, just be talking past each other. Hence me wondering whether this divide in perspectives was in any way intentional, and which outlook – “moral” or “immoral” – is closer to the one personally shared by Selebus.

And finally, if it wasn’t already super-obvious,
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LessonsInDissonance

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Okay, so… This is an interpretation that I had been wanting to share with others for a *long* fucking time – pretty much ever since I first started reading Lessons in Love, so more than a year in the making – and I guess the recent discussion about "what was the point of 10 years of LiL?" and the perspectives shared by Moonflare and DeanNoriko (that I almost completely agree with, for the record) have finally given me enough motivation to actually put my thoughts into words. Plus, it’s Christmas (currently; who the fuck knows whether this is still going to be the case by the time I finish writing this shit), so I have a perfect excuse for being a bit more whimsical and emotionally open during this singular day of the year.

There is just one more thing that should be said before I properly dive into it – which is also going to serve as a hell of an opening statement for my following thesis:
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As always, this is going to be fairly out there, deeply introspective and decently personal – not to mention *extremely* fucking long – so, y’know, the usual disclaimers apply: “this is just my perspective on things”, “feel free to ignore this post if it isn’t something you’re interested in reading”, “abandon hope, all ye who enter here”, etcetera.

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My finishing thought, if I were to leave one, would probably be this: I’m not really judging anyone who strongly disagrees with me and *does* share the same “moral” perspective on the events and characters of this game that I (somewhat exaggeratedly) described earlier, but it *does* make me wonder which one of us is closer to the intended “Lessons in Love audience” Selebus writes this story for. Specifically, how much of LiL is supposed to resonate with “normal” people, who would see Akira as a creep and his life as a fate worse than death, compared to the fellow abyss-dwellers (like myself) who thrive in the darkness and can find the underlying beauty in even some of the ugliest possible things.
I've been here for a long time and I didn't expect to see a post like this ever, but you have really made my day.

You are the first person here that actually gets it, not only you really understand everything but you've explained it marvelously. I've tried in the past to get people to do some critical thinking in how this game is really meant to be perceived but never managed to get anywhere, and maybe there never was a need to do that.

I really like the fact that everyone enjoys reading LiL in their own way, but I believe that to truly enjoy this game you must be true to yourself, that's the lesson Akira needs to learn, and ironically is the lesson most people playing it are avoiding.

Unfortunately, you don't really seem to embrace the darkness like I do, instead it feels like you actually like to feed off it. I genuinely hope you're doing well because to be this way you must be a very broken person.
 

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a theoretical person who, for the sake of my extra-specific example, played the entire game on mute (following the guide mod or looking up answers to the puzzles they couldn’t solve on their own), skipped every single event that could be skipped, changed every instance of Akira’s name to “Marty” in the game files and also hated his guts whenever he was on screen did *technically* have an “authentic” experience with LiL of some kind, I can’t wholeheartedly agree with the notion that their experience is in *any* way comparable (not even talking about “good vs bad” comparable – just comparable, period) with what *I* experienced during my own original playthrough of Lessons in Love, neither emotionally nor thematically
I think you're going for a reductio ad absurdum and I don't think that's what you intend. Because even if so, said person would play all VNs like that. Is it stupid? Of course it is, for me at least. Is it how said person "enjoys" VNs? Probably, we don't know. But it's also one way to experience LiL. Even if discussions with that person may be an exercise in futility (or in patience), it'd be interesting to see what he thought of it and how much Marty hate can be expressed in one post.
Going back to how you see the game, let me ask you a question. Have you played any of the other LiL-likes? If so, what were your opinions on them? I think you, let's say, revel on the happenings in the screen, and I wonder if thats's how YOU actually experience VNs with these themes, or if you're more, again, let's say, of someone who can't help but take the events of media you consume as if you were a part of what is shown and use the pov character as the medium for how you should react to a given action.
Sorry if this seems like rambling, I think I lost the plot a few sentences ago and can't word my thoughts properly, but I kinda worry.
 

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First of all, just to dispel any doubts:
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Second of all, while I’m not sure if I agree with taking what Nao/The Xoanon says to Akira in “Mother’s Milk” completely at face value, because there is a lot of additional (and not yet understood) meta-context to their statements that severely muddles the water, your point about how “you're already deep into reading LiL and didn't get filtered by how LiL it is, you're already relating in some way with the game” is undoubtedly correct. However, the question of whether or not there is a “right” and “wrong” way to experience Lessons in Love *is* very much a complicated one, since it directly ties into the greater argument of authorial intent vs “Death of The Author” – and, specific to this thread in particular, the whole “Green Path Chads vs Red Path Virgins” (or vice versa, depending on who you ask) endless debate that still keeps happening to this very day (though not as of late, admittedly).

So while, yes, a theoretical person who, for the sake of my extra-specific example, played the entire game on mute (following the guide mod or looking up answers to the puzzles they couldn’t solve on their own), skipped every single event that could be skipped, changed every instance of Akira’s name to “Marty” in the game files and also hated his guts whenever he was on screen did *technically* have an “authentic” experience with LiL of some kind, I can’t wholeheartedly agree with the notion that their experience is in *any* way comparable (not even talking about “good vs bad” comparable – just comparable, period) with what *I* experienced during my own original playthrough of Lessons in Love, neither emotionally nor thematically. At that point we just have to concede that we’re both pretty much reading through two entirely different visual novels with only passing surface-level similarities, so, like, what could the two of us – me and that theoretical weird person –even talk about in relation to LiL? The name of the VN? Koikatsu visuals? Kumon-mi as the setting?

Once again, to reiterate: I am *not* pushing for the idea that “my way is the correct one, and everyone else just didn’t get it”. The point I was trying to make was more about our ability to discuss and connect over our shared experiences as readers, since if there *are* no shared experiences (due to us having viewed every single scene/character in the game through diametrically opposed lenses), then none of our arguments would mean anything to the other side and we would, effectively, just be talking past each other. Hence me wondering whether this divide in perspectives was in any way intentional, and which outlook – “moral” or “immoral” – is closer to the one personally shared by Selebus.

And finally, if it wasn’t already super-obvious,
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Dude, i can't even follow this post cause you're so deep down in the cerebral sauce you've reached that ephemeral realm where words start to become so hazy in their meanings you can't get a grip on them... wtf are you even arguing down here? Nothing is this deep and there basically no way to connect with other people through this realm, it's practically quantum in its ruleset, uncertainty is so high from one person to the next that no one has any clue where anyone else is or is going... i think it's time you take a few steps back and ground yourself before attitudes towards you start to shift into "eeugh, it's that guy again...".
 
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Well, I'm not overly criticizing the post because it's clearly made from an emotional and personal place. But I will point out that maybe you're losing sight of your arguments here and there. As to how the game makes sense to you, that's an interesting perspective. But then, when you question the validity of people's interactions with the story, and even compare that to Selebus' intent with it, you lose me.
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Lastly, I think there's a danger here of taking "you aren’t supposed to self-identify with Sensei" way out of context. Usually this is said towards someone that thinks they are the protagonist, upon starting the game. I haven't ever seen someone say that here meaning "you aren't supposed to relate to anything this character says, does or any situation he's in ever". But I'm presuming you used it as an excuse to write your post, which was interesting tbf.

Thank you once again for your detailed thoughts. I already clarified some of my original goals/intentions in my reply to SlidingSubject (which you seemingly disagreed with, but that's okay), so I won’t repeat them here. Aside from that, I mostly agree with all of your counterarguments, and the few ones I *do* fundamentally disagree with are worded in a way where I can still fully understand where you’re coming from (which means that it’s all good). So the only real point that still needs clarification is why I decided to specifically focus on Akira – when, as we both pointed out, LiL is so much bigger than just him:

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