Bingoogus
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At least your gigantic image is dark, so no burned eyes, but please put any images in spoilers.
Sry, didn't know. Changed it.
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oh i did T-T
i managed to mess up with it anyways since an unexpected lust requirement appeared when i thought there wouldnt be one.
anyways, i just went back right before the nokoda thingy and did it properly.
thanks for the tips tho. hoping i wont mess up again in the future and have the need to cheat
Bingoogus
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You reference that game a lot... maybe you belong in the bisexual side of the court with me... what's your opinion on futas? Do you want a buff amazon lady to pin you down and pump your stomach full of hot sticky cum?
IMO, the guide mod is mostly if you want to 100% the game, but this is one of those games where a blind first playthrough helps. Though, with how the game sometimes doesn't tell you where to go, I'd say "blind" in this case would mean "have the guide mod but don't check it, unless nothing new happens after one week outside finding some generic event or you just give up, then check the hints tab for help and then try to keep playing blind".
Also, in the profiles for each girl, sometimes you get messages, check that every now and then.
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1.) Not into futanaris. It's like opening a bad Christmas present. You expect one thing and its the total opposite of what you expected.
2.) No. Im saving my anal virgintiy for my doctor in 40 something years for my colonoscopy. And I'd probably scream like a little girl if a 6 foot something woman picked me up like a child.
Did I pass the bisexuality screening???
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But isn't that just very basic writing? If you were to write a character, unless your intention was to have a "gyaru" or a "tsundere" or a "token whatever", and have them be just that, you would think "okay, but what are they beyond it?" or "why are they like this?".
It goes back to what usually accompanies the criticism of his writing being "decent at best", which is that most of the praise for Selebus' writing comes from the fact that it is amazing writing for its genre (adult porn games). You'd hardly find anyone being surprised at reading a nicely rated novel and finding a character that has some depth beyond literal first impressions.
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Bingoogus
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Depends... did you ever see a guy or even just a penis that turned you on? All we can safely say is you're not into futas...
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I could agree if the playthrough wasn't as long as it is, and the pitfalls weren't as spaced apart as they are. However at over 100 hours for me, and others throwing out numbers like 200-300 hours per playthrough I'd rather get what seems like the best playthrough done from the start and then see if I want to commit to a red uncle playthrough or whatever.
papawavy is the perfect example right now, having missed grinding 49 Makoto lust before having Nodoka assault Yumi means after seeing that entire sequence, then Nodoka getting punched out and having Makoto's dad die, to seeing Haruka panic about her husband living,getting raped by Makoto, then all the events afterward about people trying to make something to cheer Makoto up, to Makoto making a scene in front of the entire class before Ami steps in to bond about parent death ( How is this ami the same as chapter 4? ), Makoto actually taking more of a break away from school before coming back but not being happy, to Ayane choking Kirin (papawavy was here) and then Dorm Wars 2 starting which would go directly into a beach trip afterward where after the first half / night they finally would normally find out they didn't grind enough Makoto Lust. They would have saved so much time if they saw the guide note that I worked so hard to get added.
Detective Dc345
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Nope. Sounds like I'm failing yet another test. Don't tell my parents they'll be disappointed.
I was literally thinking about writing a post and getting peoples thoughts about Akira being a passive protagonist. I don't understand how a writer (who has bragged about having the longest vn ever) can write a character who not only does nothing but refuses to do anything. Both with the overall plot and with the other individual characters Akiras' insistence on doing nothing and not having any agency makes this game at this point a terrible slog. Other characters basically have to force him to interact with the plot so much that honestly I possible would rather follow one of their POVs at this point.
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Like dude its been 5 real life years. It might be inexcusable to have a protagonist like this for so long and for so many days if not months worth of reading. Sorry rant over but I wanna hear other peoples thoughts on this.
Because to me it looks like,
1. the main protagonist is inactive in every aspect
2. the lore itself being written purposefully in a way that you cant figure it out before its expo dumped on you
3. there are no consequences presumably for Akiras own action
4. the side characters only get spotlighted every few real life months
However if I'm looking at this wrong, I would love to hear other perspectives.
I get where everyone is coming from; However, I think it's also a bit of a trap.
It feels this way mostly because we're stuck experiencing this in real time. I've only been involved since September, and hate the wait, so I can only imagine how it feels for those that have waited 5 years.
Yet, as someone that reads and writes fanfiction, serialized fiction takes time...and generally the reading enjoyment outcome is different over being presented with a final product.
Imagine, 5-6 years from now, a new reader starts LIL.
Chances are they walk away thinking it's one of, if not the best, VN ever written. The complete product, 400+ hours of content, plus all the various routes?
It would be hard to argue that it isn't, at that point.
BUT, that reader isn't waiting 10 years. They get it, and 6 months later all the answers are in their hands. Or at least their first playthrough! Lmao
Imagine how you'd feel, enjoyment wise, if the game was already done. You'd be extremely satisfied, most likely. The biggest complaints(months without content for their 'best girl', Akira taking fucking forever to get shit done, mystery bullshit, etc) would all be gone if the game was done.
In that vein, if all those complaints were taken care of simply by the game being finished....could you truly say that Selebus isn't at bare minimum....a great writer?
It's a hypothetical, sure. But I imagine I'd feel that way, once the rollercoaster is over. My complaints would be, while justified now during the wait, likely all buttoned down.
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I dont know how you guys can keep up with reading all these theories and analyzing absolutely everything there is down to the last microscopic detail.
Nowadays I'm only here to see the shitposts and share some myself.
Nowadays I'm only here to see the shitposts and share some myself.
It's fun! That's really all there is to it.
We're all probably wrong anyway, but it's fun to be part of a community effort, instinctually.
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This is the main issue, which compounds the other problems since Chapter 4 was quite a depressing chapter so far. The first cycle of Chapter 4 was hugely miserable because there was just nothing to do. When you finally got to the sandbox, you had basically 6 generic events (two per day phase iirc), no dorm access, no phone access, and during most of the year no computer (Which was only enabled by chance once he added bonus animations to the game, there was never a point where Sensei started using the PC again despite stopping it since Maya 'died'). Most events started automatically since there weren't any options you could hide them in so you had a MC who was sad and did nothing and once the update was over you couldn't do anything either.
Then the depression fatigue sets over most of the year of not being able to do much with sucker punches of almost raping Karin, Maya being frustrating about how everyone else must be lying about her memories, Stomachache, and Chika finally realising Sensei is cheating on her oh wait no she gets rabies and has the worst part about her tripled down. Even Sensei Quest had a lot of people yell about it but at least it gave people something to do while part 2 was being cooked.
Part 2 redeemed Nodoka to most of the thread, we got a dose of Prime, Ami officially became an enemy to unite against, Yumi survives the reset, people think Makoto and Yumi have a lesbians moment. Spirits were raised after that event, and then hype started to build afterward after a LOT of monk complaining with Molly getting fingered, a few people thirsting for Dommy Mommy Tsubasa, Imani getting laid, the first Tsukasa grooming result and the Himawari ayane_love scene at the end of the christmas chain (I loved the Kirin and Maya scenes but I don't recall much love for them from other people). We also had changelogs for the next few updates and they were pretty hype for people (People correctly guessed Molly Sana Nodoka invite events pretty quickly, and there was a lot of Yumi events hype after her surviving the reset)
Personally I think him being passive for the first chapter is relatable. New world new life complete confusion you need to figure out what the hell is going on. After that 2 and 3 his passiveness is the only excuse he can come up with for doing the things he only gets away with because of the time loop/porn game thing. Chapter for would be when I would actually like to see him taking an active role in his life especially since he is (by his own admission) actually feeling motivated to do something. Even if he doesn't remember why.
I don't hate the way Akira is written. I hate and skip 80% of all his self deprecating inner monologue because the only things he says the himself that are even worth reading are actually addressed in the actual dialogue.
I read that people don't like how this character does this thing, grows and then does this thing that they shouldn't do because they grew. Yet that's how people are. We step forward make progress bask in our own glory and then fuck up and fall on our faces again. It's messy, never perfect, and most often disappointing for everyone around us. Think Yuki, I look at Akira beating the shit out of himself verbally all the time and think "man this is annoying. When I was dealing with this traumatic shit from my past I did XYZ but that's just cherry picking the spark notes. My journey took me joining the military at 17 to get out of my abusive shit hole of a house and I'm now 35 and still haven't perfected my shit. 5 years or more isn't realistic. Especially when the real world ramifications for him suddenly going "Imma be a good boy now" would involve breaking up with all the girls who could literally end his life by accusing him... assuming real world logic even applied to his world.
Yeah for characterization I think how Akira is written works. I think he should START being a protagonist now in chapter 4 but that's just my taste.
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