VN Ren'Py Let the Nightshine In [v0.18 Ch. 2] [Sieglinnde]

[Kotobiki]

See and I see it differently in that ntr/sharing aren't bedfellows, rather they're diametric opposites - (usually only grouped together out of convenience from the harem crowd which hates both). Off the top of my head - i just jotted down some excel lines of what I'd call these "diametric opposites". This isnt scientific at all, but through experience and hearing people's preferences I think most pure ntr fans would prefer things in the left column while most sharing fans would prefer things in the right.


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Hey like I said - by all means , make the game you want to make. There's too many devs trying to cater to all tastes that leads to their heart really not being in it. I know if I start making games, it'll definitely have a heavy emphasis on things I like even if some of the audience objects.

That chart breaks a lot of what Ariana is tho.
LI does love MC.
Nothing says ultimate ending is inherently bad.
LI has actually pointed out she is selective if you advanced further.
Her attitude is a mix of both antagonistic and sympathetic, she's made it clear she does not feel guiltless, but she's trapped in a vicious cycle. Literally nothing of that chart states full blown NTR, just that in NTRS it's normally preferred otherwise.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

That chart breaks a lot of what Ariana is tho.
LI does love MC.
Nothing says ultimate ending is inherently bad.
LI has actually pointed out she is selective if you advanced further.
Her attitude is a mix of both antagonistic and sympathetic, she's made it clear she does not feel guiltless, but she's trapped in a vicious cycle. Literally nothing of that chart states full blown NTR, just that in NTRS it's normally preferred otherwise.

ill have to play the game again so i can converse more intelligently....

 

[Griev]

Fair, I usually avoid this kind of discussion unless I feel strongly about it, but after reading you it seems you are actually attempting a legitimate discussion. That is something I very much am fond of even if it doesn't mean meeting eye to eye, so I'll give my own input.

Issue here is how strict we are being with definitions. This falls into a lot of semantics depending on what PoV you wanna argue. In example, MC did say she could do such things, he did not initially limit her, it was Ariana who was unsure of accepting. MCs words were explicitly that he wants to see her with other men. That is clearly a sexual reference, not just flirting or a kiss. Then when it seemed things would get out of hand is when MC trying to lay ground rules comes into play.

I am not saying Ariana wasn't disingenuous in her approach to say the least, but is it truly that there's no netorase elements even if MC pretty clearly implied that he DID want her to have sex with others? So here comes the dilemma, do you think netorare and netorase are genres that CAN not coexist? I'd say the can as that is a big part of the netorare and netorase medium, seeing how far the topic goes from NTRS to full blown NTR, I personally don't feel the people who defined the genres are inherently wrong in their own definition when they play with both, which is the case most of the times.

And as you yourself mentioned, it's not like if Ariana did it with full maliciousness, she did think it was part of MCs fetish. This was never a story solely about Ariana simply fulfilling her own needs, I think the fact there's not a pure cheating route speaks for itself, we only have: vanilla, NTR/NTRS and pure/corruption NTR, no route is based off her simply cheating with 0 reason. Not gonna pretend Ari's reasons are the best ofc, but it's not simply from 0 to 100.

I can see what you’re saying. I think what disconnects me with seeing this as having any Netorase is the lying, ignoring and misleading. Even at the end of the sharing arc MC says she’s been acting weird and it hurts him. She ignores him all day and night and only sends a single pic hinting at what’s she’s up to. He’s not aware that she’s been getting railed for hours and hours, swallowing cum and being completed in love with sex from another guy. She even admits that her sex with Tyrone is the best she’s ever had, and it’s not to humiliate MC as he’s unaware that she’s even saying this.

I guess Dev actually DID succeed in walking the fine line as if the player only sees things through MC’s eyes the MC is in a Netorase situation where his girl teases him with sexual interactions with another guy, but still isn’t being 100% clear what is happening. Maybe that aspect also gets MC off… the constant wondering about what is actually happening. Idk. It’s definitely debatable whether his POV ends as a Netorase or Netorare.

On the other hand if you view things through FemC’s POV she’s taking advantage of the situation by having constant sex with someone that’s previously hurt the MC in the past, in the same way he’s doing now; by fucking another one of MC’s LIs. MC doesn’t like the guy, that’s the NTR part. Not only does she fuck the MCs rival, she’s telling the guy that he’s the best fuck she’s ever had. She’s never felt this good and she’s in love with his cock. So every time we are playing through her scenarios it’s hard NTR. The only interaction they have with each other during her sexual interactions is a teasing pic of her with Tyrone’s dick in her hand or on her face.

 

[Sieglinnde]

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[Griev]

Haha.
If I like a game I can talk about it all day. I like to think each individual person that downloads the game will have their own unique perspective on the events that take place within the game. Each action will trigger a different response so it’s interesting when you get to share your personal thoughts with others looking to do the same.

 

[Tverdislav Yablochko]

I was confused by the 'NTR/Swinging' route. I thought it means sharing and couldn't understand why FMC betrays MC with Tyrone.
Now I see it means a mix of NTR and Swinging... What's a pretty realistic thing when a girl is a slut, who cares a little about trust and just fucks around.

 

[Tverdislav Yablochko]

A scene, where Mallory tried to tell MC the truth, has disappointed me. He looked like stupid idiot. There has to be a choice to do so or to listen to her.
Ariana just can't fuck the whole circle of their friends and relatives and remain unnoticed endlessly. Sooner or later MC will have to confront her and to come to terms with it or to break up.

 

[Griev]

Sieglinnde in the next update, are you going to focus on a specific route or try to give them all a little love?

 

[Kotobiki]

I can see what you’re saying. I think what disconnects me with seeing this as having any Netorase is the lying, ignoring and misleading. Even at the end of the sharing arc MC says she’s been acting weird and it hurts him. She ignores him all day and night and only sends a single pic hinting at what’s she’s up to. He’s not aware that she’s been getting railed for hours and hours, swallowing cum and being completed in love with sex from another guy. She even admits that her sex with Tyrone is the best she’s ever had, and it’s not to humiliate MC as he’s unaware that she’s even saying this.

I guess Dev actually DID succeed in walking the fine line as if the player only sees things through MC’s eyes the MC is in a Netorase situation where his girl teases him with sexual interactions with another guy, but still isn’t being 100% clear what is happening. Maybe that aspect also gets MC off… the constant wondering about what is actually happening. Idk. It’s definitely debatable whether his POV ends as a Netorase or Netorare.

On the other hand if you view things through FemC’s POV she’s taking advantage of the situation by having constant sex with someone that’s previously hurt the MC in the past, in the same way he’s doing now; by fucking another one of MC’s LIs. MC doesn’t like the guy, that’s the NTR part. Not only does she fuck the MCs rival, she’s telling the guy that he’s the best fuck she’s ever had. She’s never felt this good and she’s in love with his cock. So every time we are playing through her scenarios it’s hard NTR. The only interaction they have with each other during her sexual interactions is a teasing pic of her with Tyrone’s dick in her hand or on her face.

Was out drinking all weekend cus parties and what not so sorry for taking so long taking to reply. Yeah, MC is explicitly implied to like that, several times actually, such as when Ariana confesses her NTR(S?)ing him, he admits that he virtually liked the entire situation with Tyrone. He admitted he always suspected Ariana was doing much than she admitted aka suspected she was going behind his back... yet said that he fapped for days with what she gave him. When she sent the video where she said she loved him while blowing Tyrone? MC basically took that as a holy grail despite the fact Ariana basically outright told him "yeah that was a vid I took while cheating, I did do that thinking of you honestly but was hiding I was fucking Tyrone so didnt know if youd ever see it". When Ari ducked him near end of update? MC himself speculates that Ariana managing herself in such a cheaty like way is possibly part of the pleasure. The thrill he feels isnt as simple as watching a porno, its a much more bittersweet feeling that got him hooked.

Even tho clearly she does not completely understand it, Ariana has at least seen through that even if he doesnt want to fully admit, the "mean" side of the fetish is something that does somewhat add extra spice for MC.
Hence why I consider this also part netorase. Yeah, it can feel like cheating, it essentially was at some point and depending how you view it you can even somewhat argue theres still a bit of that element. But its not out of maliciousness, it is because MC is legitimately interested in that kind of sharing, that has been lampshaded multiple times. So, is it really not netorase when MC IS up for his GF seeing others like this, and when his GF does still have deep feelings for him?

 

[Griev]

Was out drinking all weekend cus parties and what not so sorry for taking so long taking to reply. Yeah, MC is explicitly implied to like that, several times actually, such as when Ariana confesses her NTR(S?)ing him, he admits that he virtually liked the entire situation with Tyrone. He admitted he always suspected Ariana was doing much than she admitted aka suspected she was going behind his back... yet said that he fapped for days with what she gave him. When she sent the video where she said she loved him while blowing Tyrone? MC basically took that as a holy grail despite the fact Ariana basically outright told him "yeah that was a vid I took while cheating, I did do that thinking of you honestly but was hiding I was fucking Tyrone so didnt know if youd ever see it". When Ari ducked him near end of update? MC himself speculates that Ariana managing herself in such a cheaty like way is possibly part of the pleasure. The thrill he feels isnt as simple as watching a porno, its a much more bittersweet feeling that got him hooked.

Even tho clearly she does not completely understand it, Ariana has at least seen through that even if he doesnt want to fully admit, the "mean" side of the fetish is something that does somewhat add extra spice for MC.
Hence why I consider this also part netorase. Yeah, it can feel like cheating, it essentially was at some point and depending how you view it you can even somewhat argue theres still a bit of that element. But its not out of maliciousness, it is because MC is legitimately interested in that kind of sharing, that has been lampshaded multiple times. So, is it really not netorase when MC IS up for his GF seeing others like this, and when his GF does still have deep feelings for him?

It's both just like Dev said. It's sharing BUT also NTR. Sharing because he's in on the fact that she's WITH Tyrone. NTR because he's unaware that she's being railed for several hours a day, every day by Tyrone. (That's me assuming it's everyday due to MC saying she's been acting this way ever since she confessed). So MC gets off on the idea of her being with someone else and letting the torment of not know what exactly she's up to trigger the anxiety and anxiousness that also turns him on. He said himself that while it turns him on, what she's doing really causes him to suffer, and he also worries about her as well.
I didn't fully get what the Dev was trying to do with the characters and story at first, but now that I understand it, I have to say he's a freaking genius. He's walking the line of perfectly by showing MC suffering, AND getting off to the torment. Meanwhile as a player we get to experience both sides as a voyeur. We KNOW Ariana loves MC. We also know she's a self admitted slut. As a player we can both root for them, yet think she's going too far by not JUST fucking Tyrone, but literally fucking him non-stop. How much is too much? MC isn't in the know of how much, how often and how long they are fucking but We as players can see and that's the NTR side of things.
Now, like a good movie, or tv show we have to wait for the continuation because they are on the razor's edge so to speak. One wrong move and someone gets hurt for real. That's what has me hooked right now. What happens NOW that she's confessed and Mallory wants to fuck MC. Does Ari have the right to deny that, when she knowing fucked MC's rival. The person that stole his girl in the past? What about other guys and girls? We're only on chapter 2!!


The NTR route though, has made me question one thing as far as the sex between MC and Ari goes. After fucking Mason, she fucks MC and is sorta detached. She mentioned how she can notice the size difference. This makes me wonder if that'll also be an issue in the Swinging/NTR route since Tyrone fucks her way more than Mason did. If so I wonder how that conversation will go...

I love this game! literal 5 stars.
"Finally some good fucking content" - Gordan Ramsey

 

[Kotobiki]

It's both just like Dev said. It's sharing BUT also NTR. Sharing because he's in on the fact that she's WITH Tyrone. NTR because he's unaware that she's being railed for several hours a day, every day by Tyrone. (That's me assuming it's everyday due to MC saying she's been acting this way ever since she confessed). So MC gets off on the idea of her being with someone else and letting the torment of not know what exactly she's up to trigger the anxiety and anxiousness that also turns him on. He said himself that while it turns him on, what she's doing really causes him to suffer, and he also worries about her as well.
I didn't fully get what the Dev was trying to do with the characters and story at first, but now that I understand it, I have to say he's a freaking genius. He's walking the line of perfectly by showing MC suffering, AND getting off to the torment. Meanwhile as a player we get to experience both sides as a voyeur. We KNOW Ariana loves MC. We also know she's a self admitted slut. As a player we can both root for them, yet think she's going too far by not JUST fucking Tyrone, but literally fucking him non-stop. How much is too much? MC isn't in the know of how much, how often and how long they are fucking but We as players can see and that's the NTR side of things.
Now, like a good movie, or tv show we have to wait for the continuation because they are on the razor's edge so to speak. One wrong move and someone gets hurt for real. That's what has me hooked right now. What happens NOW that she's confessed and Mallory wants to fuck MC. Does Ari have the right to deny that, when she knowing fucked MC's rival. The person that stole his girl in the past? What about other guys and girls? We're only on chapter 2!!


The NTR route though, has made me question one thing as far as the sex between MC and Ari goes. After fucking Mason, she fucks MC and is sorta detached. She mentioned how she can notice the size difference. This makes me wonder if that'll also be an issue in the Swinging/NTR route since Tyrone fucks her way more than Mason did. If so I wonder how that conversation will go...

I love this game! literal 5 stars.
"Finally some good fucking content" - Gordan Ramsey

Yeah, that's p much what I meant. I don't consider netorare and netorase to be necessarily impossible to interact with each other, I think this game does both since MC has cuckold fetish instead of just being a conventional swinger, Ariana can go over the line while still being NTRS in part. Can MC be NTRd and/or cheated on? Yes, you can even argue its happening right now. MC doesn't know if his GF is getting creampied, if she will follow any "agreement" they establish, etc, for all he knows within a few months he will find a secret video of Ariana fucking a dude he never even met. But with the current narrative it can be played as either NTR, NTRS or or both, which is the brilliance of it.

As for the Pure NTR route I get what you mean. But physical sensations aren't be-all end-all, so even then we can't can't know the outcome for sure. Which as you said, it's one of the good aspects of this, we have to wait on edge for next episode. This is a television show which we can't actually predict the ending yet.

 

[999887]

i hope it's worth

 

[Tickle]

A small walkthrough to know, which route is which and when it's actually locked in, also maybe a small indicator somewhere incase one forgets

 

[Sieglinnde]

A small walkthrough to know, which route is which and when it's actually locked in, also maybe a small indicator somewhere incase one forgets

I never thought it was necessary... I mean, there's just a couple of decisions that lead you to different routes and... In each decision it's even highlighted which route it's going to take you to, you know? But I'll see if I make a walkthrough or something like that anyway

 

[JohnF95zone]

I never thought it was necessary... I mean, there's just a couple of decisions that lead you to different routes and... In each decision it's even highlighted which route it's going to take you to, you know? But I'll see if I make a walkthrough or something like that anyway

I think for the indicator, something like a heart icon for "route A" and/or devil icon for "route B" somewhere like top right corner of the screen, or it could just be text "Route A", so that it is very obvious and visible while playing.

Of course it won't be "Route A" or "Route B", that just examples, it should use the correct name otherwise it will confuse players more like wtf is Route A, B, C etc.

 

[ELTigger]

I'm still playing, but before I do the full review I'll say that the game is very good and worth playing, it has a lot of content and provides several hours of fun

Thanks bro for the great work <3

 

[Oenomeaus]

i hope the best!!!

 

[wibuntr]

just leave a trace in chase this game get new update

 

[BBCinyourass]

Need a compressed version Please

 

[supernova874]

Need a compressed version Please

Same here ,pleaaaaase