I released a new game called "Tifa's Dark Heaven"... How would you prefer this month updates to be?


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Sieglinnde

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a no personality obedient boring female for insecure, negative and jealous men
Part of the reason why I like to make female characters that behave like Ariana (talking about being slutty) is because, apart from finding it super hot, I really think it's more entertaining... I get really boring with a character like what you mention, that only lives and dies for the protagonist and does all that he wants without having personal decisions and such. I am not saying that is something bad, since obviously some people like it and it's amazing, I am just saying I don't like it and I consider it very boring in general
 

Joshy92

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Part of the reason why I like to make female characters that behave like Ariana (talking about being slutty) is because, apart from finding it super hot, I really think it's more entertaining... I get really boring with a character like what you mention, that only lives and dies for the protagonist and does all that he wants without having personal decisions and such. I am not saying that is something bad, since obviously some people like it and it's amazing, I am just saying I don't like it and I consider it very boring in general
I could be imagining things, but it feels like the MC is slowly starting to better understand his desires and stuff on the sharing path.

The NTS in LTNSI feels like a Japanese game imo and the Japanese do some of the hottest NTS around.
 

Dealbreaker

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The NTS in LTNSI feels like a Japanese game imo and the Japanese do some of the hottest NTS around.
I agree. And I think that is partly because the Japanese have retained a good feeling for the fact, that a big part of the NTS appeal is the permanent and gradual violation of sensibilities, pushing and breaking of boundaries, the violation of possessive claims, the hurting of emotions, forced self restraint, the different and many stages of acceptance etc. They tend to write it often as a sseries of successive shocks on the side of the MC. And if there are no boundaries, claims and sensibilities to begin with, if they aren't allowed to be there and to be felt at the start of the game, this genre looses.
 
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hotdik

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So there are a total of 4 routes in the game? Vanilla, Sharing, NTR/sharing and sharing sub-route? Can someone give me a rundown of the last three please?
 

Sieglinnde

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People who want her to be a slut but have another conception of being a slut. This is the real discussion here. I hate to break it to you, but what you describe is a certain specific image of slut which pretends to be freed from morals but in fact is totally in line with what society and media dictate today, it is full of moral implications itself: being supposedly daring, free and strong,, and the men not accepting that are negative insecure and jealous
I get what you say, in the part of someone who pretends to be freed for morals but is in line with what society dictates today... Though, you know, isn't that actually normal? In a lot of parts of the game i've shown that Ariana is easily influentiable in certain things... Regarding sex, of course... And this is because she already has a predisposition to really like this kind of thing, so it's understandable... How Mallory influences her in a way when it's all starting, telling her to make MC a cuck and stuff like that. I really think that these kind of things depends on what would you call a "slut", you know?

So, you like to give warnings to the dev about the development of the game. I don't want to be so dramatic (we talk about porn, in the end) but I see the danger in the opposite extreme: everything becomes a fuckfest of empowered totally "free" and boring slut-Mary Sues. This destroys psychologically nuanced and enganging storylines
I get what you say man but you know... You also have to have in mind that, in the full NTR routes, that's what I really want to explore... How much is Ariana (or well, the other women in the game, but mostly Ariana since she is one of the protagonists) willing to do in terms of depravity... She crossed many lines doing it with the dad of the man who used to "bully" MC, but just imagine also doing it with MC father... That is what it makes it hot to me, how far can she go in all this... She gets excited by the idea of being fucked by men like that, and in this routes (well, mainly the NTR/Sharing route) she just doesn't care anymore and wants it all... But still, she doesn't want MC to leave her, she doesn't want him to know, either... And she absolutely don't want him to get hurt, but the thing is that she can't help it and that's it, she just enjoys it... It's like, little by little, becoming more like Pamela. She has this kind of evil thinking and behavior too, where she also gets very horny thinking about how other men with huge cocks fuck her while her boyfriend doesn't know. She doesn't like being in control when these other men (like Nelson) fuck her, because is a different kind of sex, since when she has sex with MC, she usually likes to take the lead...
Also she plays with that as well as what she says to Nelson in this update, you know? Saying things like:
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And While Nelson asks her about her boyfriend while being naked, like if everything was normal... He still goes on her and kiss her, making her horny... That's the point, to see how everything became so depraved

This could be a prostitute. Or, if she is not simultaneously in a relationship, if she doesn't cheat, this is the state of a lot of single women in non-traditional societies today
I don't agree with this man... That takes away all the fun of it, in my opinion... The thing here is seeing a young woman who is very experienced but in fact, she is pretty much faithful and such... And the idea of "something might be happening" it is what makes it hot, because you know she could be capable of "doing it"... You know what I mean? But saying things like "that is just a prostitute" it is just wanting to see things the most basic way possible, like when someone doesn't like how Ariana acts and generally says "she is just a whore, she belongs to streets" and things like that... That isn't fun, man! If you don't like it and have that idea, it's fine, but I invite you to think more deeply on it... See the things that are hot in her... Not simply saying "oh she lies and cheat she's a slut I hate her"
 
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alex220477

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Part of the reason why I like to make female characters that behave like Ariana (talking about being slutty) is because, apart from finding it super hot, I really think it's more entertaining... I get really boring with a character like what you mention, that only lives and dies for the protagonist and does all that he wants without having personal decisions and such. I am not saying that is something bad, since obviously some people like it and it's amazing, I am just saying I don't like it and I consider it very boring in general







all this has to do with making Arianna an independent, open girl, with disrespect to another person who has feelings, you create slutty heroines to create fun, it's porn, so it's fine, but why then create an idiot MC in this context, what's the point of the character who would be of no use, MC would be useful in a similar story if he were actively involved, if he reacted like a MAN, then, the game would have a higher thickness, then we will have two strong characters, instead make a classic, she's a slut, he's an idiot, be careful, no one judges the cuckold side, but making him a human larva, is the most common wrong sin, Ari can fuck and cheat, but Mc can't and Ari is jealous, isn't it another thing that contradicts you, you created a female character with an alpha male character, and you gave MC, the submissive character of girls.
 

alex220477

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how can Arianna not be a worse whore than the street prostitutes, the street prostitutes are better than Arianna, the real prostitutes are forced, they are threatened, they are desperate, it's respect Arianna they are real poor women who do the forced job, Arianna is ouro evil, she is not open-minded as you want to imply, because, here you are lost, she has a boyfriend, she does not have someone who forces her, she is a sick nymphomaniac, here is the exact word, nymphomaniac, and it is a serious and recognized disease, you talk about eroticism, where do you see eroticism in a character who fucks every cock that passes by, where do you consider Arianna a good girl, she has no respect and sense for anyone, you find it exciting that she fucks Mc's father, hahahah, she is sick, but her father-in-law is a piece of shit, open-minded, sick mentality, eroticism, where, when, eroticism is created with the story, not with a thousand sex scenes galore, with everyone, what eroticism is it, it's just mechanical sex, just like you wrote, Mallory has a push, which is a robot Ari, you press the button and she fucks, this is what you mean with Mallory, this would be erotic, hahahahah, a girl who sees a cock beyond the size of her Mc, and automatically, she fucks him, and she fucks everyone in the game, absolutely everyone, NYMPHOMANIA DEAR dev..
 

Johanna_S

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Slut.
"A woman who has with a lot of men without any ".

My definition in that post was the closest. Almost like in dictionary.

That is why I do not argue directly with anyone but the author.
Some commenters here just constantly lie about facts or twist words.
Like anyone knows that modern “West” shames men's sexuality. All those crazy words like “creep”, “predator”, “stalker”. For just trying to friendly talk to a woman in the street if you unattractive to her.
All those "Guys literally only want one thing, and it's fucking disgusting!" And so on.

You can't argue in good faith with delusional people or liars.
And yes, compared to those, Ariana is an image of purity and understanding of desires in terms of sexuality.
 
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Fitharia

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Will Mallory and Alex become a thing at some point? Just wondering as overall she looks like a way better girl for him, Ari seems no matter what path take always going to extreme, on NTR path she just becomes a complete slut, on Vanilla she becomes a critting jealous and sometimes angry bitch, glad on the NTR/Sharing path can least choose to go to sharing. It very well made and feels often realistic as these things can happen, but yea she doesn't deserve Alex really, she justify it with his fetish. Eventualy it herself she lying to, because each action a person do is noone else fault but their own, no matter influences of others. Thanks for this great VN and I hope Alex can find happiness eventualy with Mallory.
 

Dealbreaker

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You know what I mean? But saying things like "that is just a prostitute" it is just wanting to see things the most basic way possible
This is a simple misunderstanding. I didn't mean it this way, in the contrary. I meant this definition is so wide, that it could include a prostitute (which I don't see as a slut! because she just wants to earn money, this isn't a slut in my book. Prostitute is not a negative term in my view) or an average single woman today. BOTH I DON'T SEE AS SLUTS!! And I wouldn't use slut in a derogative way. I use it as a psychological pheonomenon. This idiotic definition a argue against here is simply too wide. And we have to free it from normative undertones. We have to be pychologically more precise.
 
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My definition in that post was the closest. Almost like in dictionary.
Dude, copying definitions out of common dictionaries is not an argument. We need more specific and precise definitions for this discussion, can't you see that? And the additional irony is, that the Cambridge definition derives from times and conventions with strict moral rules which you vehemently reject here. You can't use it to prove your point. I myself argued that that definition is normatively outdated from my point of view in our society no one would call that a slut that would be seen as misogynistic. Also there is no right or wrong definition in an abstract sense with these words man. All depends on the context.
 
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alex220477

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This is a simple misunderstanding. I didn't mean it this way, in the contrary. I meant this definition is so wide, that it could include a prostitute (which I don't see as a slut! because she just wants to earn money, this isn't a slut in my book. Prostitute is not a negative term in my view) or an average single woman today. BOTH I DON'T SEE AS SLUTS!! And I wouldn't use slut in a derogative way. I use it as a psychological pheonomenon. This idiotic definition a argue against here is simply too wide. And we have to free it from normative undertones. We have to be pychologically more precise.







you want the exact term for Arianna, nymphomaniac, which is a serious disease, if you call her or compare her to street whores, who are forced to do it, you offend the poor women, here Arianna, is the worst in terms, anything but open-minded, she is sexually ill, she is an eccentric egoist, a manipulable moron, anything but a smart girl, she is an absolute piece of shit as a person.
 

Dealbreaker

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Though, you know, isn't that actually normal? In a lot of parts of the game i've shown that Ariana is easily influentiable in certain things
Yes, it is understandable for Ari and I see her the same way as you do here. But we in our discussion should perhaps try to have more distance, that was my suggestion.
 
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Joshy92

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Dude, copying definitions out of common dictionaries is not an argument. We need more specific and precise definitions for this discussion, can't you see that? And the additional irony is, that the Cambridge definition derives from times and conventions with strict moral rules which you vehemently reject here. You can't use it to prove your point. I myself argued that that definition is normatively outdated from my point of view in our society no one would call that a slut that would be seen as misogynistic. Also there is no right or wrong definition in an abstract sense with these words man. All depends on the context.
I think you are reading too much into this. It's a porn game not a novel about the intricacies of cheating or sharing.
 

Fitharia

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I think you are reading too much into this. It's a porn game not a novel about the intricacies of cheating or sharing.
Yea, I can agree with you there, but i find it silly when a bf give his gf green light to do those things, she full out going lie about it, no matter she sex addicted or not. But she not the only one, seems all the women are the same, just Mallory is the only girl not sex craved, she even wants to be more with Alex, but his gf is so hypocritical to allow it, no matter she keeps wanting other dicks. It would be just simple for her to end the relation and keep on doing what she does and not lead it to a disaster, because this will eventualy end very bad. I just hope to see Alex and Mallory get together and either they do the sharing part or not, she seems a way better girl for him to explore those experiences.
 
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alex220477

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Yea, I can agree with you there, but i find it silly when a bf give his gf green light to do those things, she full out going lie about it, no matter she sex addicted or not. But she not the only one, seems all the women are the same, just Mallory is the only girl not sex craved, she even wants to be more with Alex, but his gf is so hypocritical to allow it, no matter she keeps wanting other dicks. It would be just simple for her to end the relation and keep on doing what she does and not lead it to a disaster, because this will eventualy end very bad.







Well done, you are an idol, you are finally a person who understands the real flaw of NTR, unlike the fan clubs of the game.
 

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That is what it makes it hot to me, how far can she go in all this
She has this kind of evil thinking and behavior too, where she also gets very horny thinking about how other men with huge cocks fuck her while her boyfriend doesn't know. She doesn't like being in control when these other men (like Nelson) fuck her, because is a different kind of sex, since when she has sex with MC, she usually likes to take the lead...
OK, now we are at the heart of the matter. There we are on the same page, and this is what I wanted to know. I completely understand this intention behind your work here. And I find it exciting in a porn game (while normatively rejecting it IRL). And it is clear enough that this is not a normative project for society, but an exciting psychological study. I just wonder if one could make it even more plausible, I guess. Maybe making this what you say here even more apparent in the game and in Aris words. And also this wouldn't need so much different sex partners, but could profit from more concentration, more focus - but these are all matters of storydesign where one can have different opinions and you are the expert so to speak. Maybe this aspect of power and control could be more explicit in the future.
And I would perhaps show the hard consequences of those acts.
 
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Joshy92

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Yea, I can agree with you there, but i find it silly when a bf give his gf green light to do those things, she full out going lie about it, no matter she sex addicted or not. But she not the only one, seems all the women are the same, just Mallory is the only girl not sex craved, she even wants to be more with Alex, but his gf is so hypocritical to allow it, no matter she keeps wanting other dicks. It would be just simple for her to end the relation and keep on doing what she does and not lead it to a disaster, because this will eventualy end very bad. I just hope to see Alex and Mallory get together and either they do the sharing part or not, she seems a way better girl for him to explore those experiences.
I play plenty of sharing games where the LI doesn't lie on the sharing path. It's just here it stands out more because the NTS & the NTR path are kind of combined for a good chunk of the story.
 
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