I released a new game called "Tifa's Dark Heaven"... How would you prefer this month updates to be?


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Dealbreaker

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"None of the women are without some severe faults in this game. Mallory does show a moment of kindness and respect when she feels she needs to tell the 'MC' the truth, but what was her motive?"

And this includes Ari's mother, of course, who gives her advice which further corrupts her by relieving her from feelings of guilt while projecting her own cope onto her daughter.

"She seems to legitimately want to be in a relationship with the boyfriend, but not be honest about her desires or her actions and does not want to stop any of her harmful behaviors."

At this point (on the NTS route) i would think part of her wants him just as an audience and above all as an ally/supporter as in the last scene of the last update. This is his new role in her sexuality. Even if she wouldn't admit this to herself or others, she acts this way and can't go back.

"Will the MC hold Ari accountable or will he continue to keep his head in the sand?"

I would guess there is no going back on the NTS route (and as a viewer I have to admit I would regret it, it's as beautiful a spectacle as for the viewer of a horror movie. And all the possibilities haven't been played out yet, not by a long shot). In order to push back, the MC would have to part ways with his kink or with Ari. He simply wouldn't want to do that, there ist no reason and no pride aat the moment from his perspective. He wants to be at her mercy right now, he doesn't care if she tells him everything. Presumably Ari would alter her course only if the pressure came from Tyrone or from shaming by her peers. And I guess the MC wouldn't even want that for her right now, would even try to protect her probably.
 
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Joshy92

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That is why there are separate routes. Sure on the ntr path they might break up or whatever but I doubt that will happen on the nts path because then it wouldn't be nts.

Yes I only play the sharing path but I don't see any danger of Ari losing control. She says humiliating things to the mc because he likes it and she's trying to please him.

Ari has made mistakes sure but I firmly believe she loves and respects the mc.
 

Dealbreaker

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I'm myself, too, more interested in the NTS than the NTR route, just because I find it more complex and interesting. Although I wouldn't seperate them so neatly, and for me it's one of the qualities of the game that it doesn't always do that, that it allows Ari to relapse so to speak. I don't see these 'mistakes' as character flaws but as due to the strains and challenges the situation inevitably puts on her. They won't go away just by stricter morals or as part of a learning curve.

She says humiliating things to the mc because he likes it and she's trying to please him.
Ari has made mistakes sure but I firmly believe she loves and respects the mc.
I totally appreciate and respect this position. But because the topic is fairly new to me, questions remain, raised by the scenes of the game.
Shouldn't we expect at least a deep transformation of that love and respect by these incisive experiences? Respect is something which is earned and lost by lived experience and which is always fragile.
For the kink to work for the boyfriend, shouldn't these words of humiliation be somewhat believable at least in the situation? If you are in a close relationship and not a paid actress, this could be a problem - except he starts to believe it comes authentically from her as a person, she means it as his girlfriend. especially because it's not only words but drastic acts also. Maybe he doesn't only want the words but also the actual humiliation itself and she realizes that.
And from her perspective: She really pushes all the right buttons, finds all the right gestures (for example that she consciously doesn't acknowledge his presence when he enters the room while she blows Tyrone, or the deceptive disarming game with the condom, or her protective attitude towards him in front of Tyrone and Mallory etc) - how can you be so perfect (thanks to the Dev) and not feeling it instead of acting it. She doesn't have a playbook for this.
And then a chain reaction starts: if you humiliate you lose respect and if you lose respect you lie. You would have to be a saint to avoid this. And Ari really is no saint.
 
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MarvinP

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While Ari is undoubtedly the protagonist, many people (including me) can't wait to see how things progress with Rose in all paths. Especially, how Ari's mother will manipulate her into fucking Tyrone and the other guy. Any scene of them, sharing one or multiple cocks would be amazing.
 
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Joshy92

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Ari is a complicated character I do agree but I will always believe she loves MC no matter what on the sharing path.

Anyway, I prefer to think about the future possibilities like Tyrone getting her pregnant and then I'll step up and take responsibility.
 

Dealbreaker

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Just a general observation, after reading more of this thread and other ones. Please correct me if I'm totally wrong or off with this. And of course I don't want to interrupt the fun here for too long by trailing off in generalities too much.

There seem to be two types of players/viewers of AVNs: 1. the identificational one. He/she identifies himself with a character, usually the MC, in the sense that he wants or in a positive way imagines these things which happen to the MC to happen to himself/herself. He would derive pleasure from these things in real life even if he rather wouldn't do it because it's not possible or practical or would have wrong long term consequences. He takes consistently the POV of this character. 2. the voyeuristic one. He/she derives pleasure from observing the interplay between the different characters, the events themselves not from a participating POV but as a spectacle. Often he is most fascinated by events and situations he would be dreading to be in in real life like the viewer of a crime or horror story. He doesn't want to be murdered but watches it and he doesn't necessarily always want to be cucked but watches it (I don't equate both, by the way). It's pleasure for him exactly because it doesn't have to be his real life whereas for the former it's pleasure because he misses it in his real life. Both types are equally legitimate and even equally immersive in a way.

And now to why I believe this simple difference is not just theoretical but interesting for this space. I believe that it is accountable for a fair amount of the differrences of opinion and underlying lines of conflict in this and others threads, esp concerning NTS/NTR. These are often not so much differences in norms and values but can be traced back to this different way of using the game. Type 1 would understandably only want to play those routes and games he normatively or dispositionally agrees with. He would safeguard the integrity of the characters he would want to sympathise and care about them and defend them. His position in the threads is often that of a gatekeeper or authoritative interpreter or even commissioner of an exact narrative. Type 2 feeds off a constant tension in that he can and does normatively critizise and reject events and characters he at the same time enjoys watching. He doesn't need to be as careful in what he watches and what not, but on the other hand his judgement constantly contradicts his nether regions. He exposes himself deliberately to irritations which he has to deal with while finding it hot at the same time. He doesn't want and need to surrender himself to the narrative, but instead he has always to suppress impulses to intervene which is stressful but engaging. Both have their own contradictions, Type 1 can be asked: can't you see what actually happens there, mate? Type 2 can be asked why the hell do you keep watching then, bro? And these are indeed the types of arguments one finds here often. Both have their weaknesses: Type 1 tends to be defensive, Type 2 to be offensive (obviously here I'm meaning the inherent logic of the respective viewpoints, not the behaviour of individuals).

I wonder how the Devs deal with this themselves. Or can they simply ignore that? Do they play both sides?
 
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So it seems the dev is taking a break from developing this game right? in favor of their other projects? Shame, I've been following this one since release and I was pretty proud to see the dev push through the hate to make a pretty good story.
 
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killerkrog

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I read the comments and reviews and realized that the game is about another whore who craves BBC, hiding behind the fact that she loves the MC and that it was his idea.
I'll try to play, but I think that with the auto-translator I won't understand much (namely, the author's idea, whatever it was). So far, of all such games, the best is Perfect Housewife - there you really understand that the wife loves her husband (especially towards the end), and these are not teenagers, but already adults who have been married for a very long time and decided to diversify their sex life.
For me, the problem with such games (any games at all) is that I always associate myself with the MC. That's why in games of this genre, I always want to see the ending where the MC pulls his head out of his ass, dumps this whore and finds a girl who truly loves him, who wouldn't allow herself to behave like that, even if the MC wanted it (you can always get by with role-playing games). And in such games, I also expect there to be a gallery, because it's easier not to associate myself with the MC. I hope this game has a gallery.
 

killerkrog

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In general, I always wonder who is the author of such games? Men or women? Especially the BBC games. If the author is a man, who does he associate himself with: with mc or with those who fuck the girl mc? If it's a woman: then.....well, I don't even know.
 

dddaaannn000

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I like this game, but I would like it better if in the sharing route Ari would include the MC more in her escapades, and do things in front of him instead of doing all behind his back... To me the sharing route feels almost the same as the ntr route, I don't feel Ari and the MC acting together as a team, only Ari doing whatever she wants behind his back and never being considerate with the MC.
 
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