Ren'Py Completed Lewd Town Adventures [v1.0 - FINAL] [Jamleng Games]

[harem.king]

There are players who see any woman even talking with another male character and consider the discussion NTR. These players have the mindset of "all holes are mine" and any man other than the MC avatar having access to those "holes" is a violation of trust and disgusting.

I have never seen anyone saying that talking is NTR.
This seems like a hybrid between reduced to absurdity and strawman.

 

[Logan1377]

I have never seen anyone saying that talking is NTR.
This seems like a hybrid between reduced to absurdity and strawman.

Oh man, I absolutely have. Like I said, I thought it was nuts. Its been in multiple game threads where someone was going off because a woman mentioned sex with an ex. Or funnier, a women who was cheating on her husband with the MC mentions that she had sex with her still married partner.

They absolutely cannot handle a world where any man other than their character has ever had sex, and every woman needs to act like an innocent virgin. Its so frustrating. There are a few games that I play where the dev has caved to their demands and that aspect is awful, but because everything else is great I just work past it.

 

[Master of Puppets]

Oh man, I absolutely have. Like I said, I thought it was nuts. Its been in multiple game threads where someone was going off because a woman mentioned sex with an ex. Or funnier, a women who was cheating on her husband with the MC mentions that she had sex with her still married partner.

And that's not just her talking to another guy, is it now smart guy?

 

[harem.king]

Oh man, I absolutely have. Like I said, I thought it was nuts. Its been in multiple game threads where someone was going off because a woman mentioned sex with an ex

> A woman talking to YOU and telling you about all the guys she fucked
> A woman talking to another man and you freaking out of her doing so.

You... don't see anything different in those two things?

 

[Logan1377]

> A woman talking to YOU and telling you about all the guys she fucked
> A woman talking to another man and you freaking out of her doing so.

You... don't see anything different in those two things?

You're correct. I read it wrong the first time, and sorry about that.

 

[harem.king]

You're correct. I read it wrong the first time, and sorry about that.

No problems. happens to everyone.

 

[Green Layer]

Dark path has the option of not showing it either.

Would it still be happening in the background or not happen at all?

like some games gives you the option to hide what you do not want to see but it still happens, so that kind of stuff

 

[Xo Mo]

Would it still be happening in the background or not happen at all?

like some games gives you the option to hide what you do not want to see but it still happens, so that kind of stuff

Player choice to avoid NTR/Sharing means it doesn't happen.

One choice that leads to NTR that is simply marked as Dark is showing a photo to someone when you find it by their door.

However, the organization's purpose is to have women whore themselves out. Once you've forged a connection with some girls in the mansion, you're given the choice to become exclusive.

Characters who are doing things off screen not specifically mentioned and not shown include Luna, Eva, Tanya, Stella, and the women in the Alleyway in the city.

To be clear, Rose has not been with anyone since Chad, where they dated but she never gave him her cherry. She has toys though, and she's a smart woman, so she knows how to have fun.

 

[Green Layer]

Player choice to avoid NTR/Sharing means it doesn't happen.

One choice that leads to NTR that is simply marked as Dark is showing a photo to someone when you find it by their door.

However, the organization's purpose is to have women whore themselves out. Once you've forged a connection with some girls in the mansion, you're given the choice to become exclusive.

Characters who are doing things off screen not specifically mentioned and not shown include Luna, Eva, Tanya, Stella, and the women in the Alleyway in the city.

To be clear, Rose has not been with anyone since Chad, where they dated but she never gave him her cherry. She has toys though, and she's a smart woman, so she knows how to have fun.

Great, so that means people will still be able to play dark route without these ( might miss on some stuff ofc but whatever suits their stomach )

if that is so, then a lot of people wanting to take over the organization will play the dark route ( nvm the ones you mentioned as they were already engaged in that stuff even before the MC interference )

 

[harem.king]

Player choice to avoid NTR/Sharing means it doesn't happen.

Well... I chose to avoid it every time and am playing the light path.
then I got hit with the xmas events...
which automatically played 2 chrismas events in a row back to back.

Christmas 1: Santa gets shot by mansion security. You take his place while he heals.
Afterwards he rants and raves at you about how he alone should have all the pussy in the world or else it is NTR.
if anyone in the world has sex that isn't him it is NTR.
All the while in the background some whore is having sex with a random asshole.
Then he leaves and we find out that random whore was mrs claus. cheating on him.

Technically, legally, this is not NTR since the MC is not being cucked.
It just feels really bad.
Very dark.

Then Christmas even 2 plays:
Santa got an STD From having gay sex with a femboy.
So he can't perform the yearly impregnation on mrs claus to generate a new batch of elves.
So the two of them kidnapped you to do the honors and impregnate her while santa goes into the cuck shack.

Well... here is the thing. Santa is still married to mrs. claus.
You are now her lover, making her your waifu.
But despite being the MC's waifu she still has a husband she will continue fucking.
So you are both sharing her. So that is netorase.

Moreover we know that Mrs claus randomly sleeps around with various guys too from christmas 1 event...

Overall, rather than being funny, this came across as a dev rant / spite event against "NTR haters"

 

[Jamleng]

*snip*

That line of dialogue was not about a femboy but a trans-girl. Also, they're standalone Christmas events that usually don't appear in the game. Not that it matters much.

The first scene you're talking about is written from my personal experience over my game development journey. I've always try to remain as neutral and helpful as I can while also trying to be professional in my responses.
Maybe you see the topic of NTR differently which is all fine but let me explain a couple of things from my point of view. I'd reckon most people possibly won't understand or notice as they're simply someone passing by.

This following is a general kind of message not fully directed at you.

This game was made for fun over 3.5 years ago (4 years in total). Ever since then I've had the pleasure of dealing with a loads of different people including the anti-ntr squad.
They are unhinged, and can go quite far to the point of harassment. There are hundreds of comments in this thread alone about NTR despite it being optional. Not counting quite some stuff that has been removed by the mods.

I've had to deal with plenty of one star "Eww NTR" reviews on many occasions, all by people who haven't played the game but just saw a tag. Then there's plenty of comments to deal with comments like: "gay game", "shit game", "game for faggot retards", "cuck this, cuck that", "hang yourself" and plenty of other comments of similar nature.
I also have to mention that the toxicity thankfully got a lot less over time, I'm not sure why but maybe that's because we got better and improved a bunch of things in the game. There is still some outdated stuff but that will be resolved as well.

Probably unrelated but lately we're also dealing with helpful feedback wrapped in a nice reviews such as "shitty writing", "waste of bandwidth", "game sucks", "renders suck", "animations suck", "dev is a scammer", "dev is self touting?" and more.
Then you have the people that know everything better and should become devs themselves, plenty of examples of that but just to give a random quote "Just slap a couple of images together and write some dialogue".
Not to forget the players that barely play the game even though it clearly states that it takes a long time to complete and has a story that's made to become more interesting over time. Obviously this all gets fully ignored and has to be followed up with a mandatory "trash game."

Now I understand this is the internet and all, and people can be fairly toxic in general no matter what you do.
Usually most readers won't give it a second thought, the main difference is that it's aimed at your work or even at you so it does become a lot more personal.
It's not fun to read that stuff and one of the issues I have with it is that the negativity surrounding this game is quite high in comparison to other games.
What this does is that it removes part of my joy and motivation, not only in making games but also IRL as it affects my mental health. I don't want to become some spiteful, cranky, jaded dude.

Obviously and very important:
The majority of players do enjoy the game and some are even fans as well which is absolutely amazing. There's also been a lot of help, a lot of good and constructive feedback, bug reports, lots of nice comments and donations which is great to see and helped tremendously.
It's thanks to them that I'm pushing forward and making the game as fun as we can. If it wasn't for that I would have been out of here within the first couple of months.

What some people seem to forget is that this is the first game I ever made with no real prior experience before starting out. The time and energy it costs to make a game like this takes a lot more than a full time job. We're probably nearing the 20.000 hour mark by now.

This is literally a free game made by amateur devs. We're not some major gaming company that screwed players over with an unfinished buggy game that they paid a lot of money for.
Sometimes I wonder why I am even doing this because I could be doing a lot of others things that are also fun, gives more free time, is a lot less stressful and won't make me doubt my own sanity.

I already mostly stopped participating on public platforms. When this game is finished I'll probably stop participating as a whole. The new game that we're developing is something where I won't play an active role in the forums and the likes either so I can feel less anxious, more happy, sleep better and just focus on my own life and the fun aspect of it all which includes making games that we think are fun.

I'd reckon this is the same for Xo as he also had plenty of shit thrown at him even though he's been a great addition to LTA in every sense of the word. Despite what some may say, I believe he's a very talented writer, WAY better than I am.

Lastly, the following should speak for itself but it might change the view of a few of readers which is already a win in my book;
Be nice to developers, especially when they're just starting out. Maybe that will result into games getting abandoned less often or maybe they'll grow and make something great later down the road.
In short, developers are people, they don't deserve the hate, even less so if it's just for certain fetishes.

 

[harem.king]

That line of dialogue was not about a femboy but a trans-girl. Also, they're standalone Christmas events that usually don't appear in the game. Not that it matters much.

The first scene you're talking about is written from my personal experience over my game development journey. I've always try to remain as neutral and helpful as I can while also trying to be professional in my responses.
Maybe you see the topic of NTR differently which is all fine but let me explain a couple of things from my point of view. I'd reckon most people possibly won't understand or notice as they're simply someone passing by.

This following is a general kind of message not fully directed at you.

This game was made for fun over 3.5 years ago (4 years in total). Ever since then I've had the pleasure of dealing with a loads of different people including the anti-ntr squad.
They are unhinged, and can go quite far to the point of harassment. There are hundreds of comments in this thread alone about NTR despite it being optional. Not counting quite some stuff that has been removed by the mods.

I've had to deal with plenty of one star "Eww NTR" reviews on many occasions, all by people who haven't played the game but just saw a tag. Then there's plenty of comments to deal with comments like: "gay game", "shit game", "game for faggot retards", "cuck this, cuck that", "hang yourself" and plenty of other comments of similar nature.
I also have to mention that the toxicity thankfully got a lot less over time, I'm not sure why but maybe that's because we got better and improved a bunch of things in the game. There is still some outdated stuff but that will be resolved as well.

Probably unrelated but lately we're also dealing with helpful feedback wrapped in a nice reviews such as "shitty writing", "waste of bandwidth", "game sucks", "renders suck", "animations suck", "dev is a scammer", "dev is self touting?" and more.
Then you have the people that know everything better and should become devs themselves, plenty of examples of that but just to give a random quote "Just slap a couple of images together and write some dialogue".
Not to forget the players that barely play the game even though it clearly states that it takes a long time to complete and has a story that's made to become more interesting over time. Obviously this all gets fully ignored and has to be followed up with a mandatory "trash game."

Now I understand this is the internet and all, and people can be fairly toxic in general no matter what you do.
Usually most readers won't give it a second thought, the main difference is that it's aimed at your work or even at you so it does become a lot more personal.
It's not fun to read that stuff and one of the issues I have with it is that the negativity surrounding this game is quite high in comparison to other games.
What this does is that it removes part of my joy and motivation, not only in making games but also IRL as it affects my mental health. I don't want to become some spiteful, cranky, jaded dude.

Obviously and very important:
The majority of players do enjoy the game and some are even fans as well which is absolutely amazing. There's also been a lot of help, a lot of good and constructive feedback, bug reports, lots of nice comments and donations which is great to see and helped tremendously.
It's thanks to them that I'm pushing forward and making the game as fun as we can. If it wasn't for that I would have been out of here within the first couple of months.

What some people seem to forget is that this is the first game I ever made with no real prior experience before starting out. The time and energy it costs to make a game like this takes a lot more than a full time job. We're probably nearing the 20.000 hour mark by now.

This is literally a free game made by amateur devs. We're not some major gaming company that screwed players over with an unfinished buggy game that they paid a lot of money for.
Sometimes I wonder why I am even doing this because I could be doing a lot of others things that are also fun, gives more free time, is a lot less stressful and won't make me doubt my own sanity.

I already mostly stopped participating on public platforms. When this game is finished I'll probably stop participating as a whole. The new game that we're developing is something where I won't play an active role in the forums and the likes either so I can feel less anxious, more happy, sleep better and just focus on my own life and the fun aspect of it all which includes making games that we think are fun.

I'd reckon this is the same for Xo as he also had plenty of shit thrown at him even though he's been a great addition to LTA in every sense of the word. Despite what some may say, I believe he's a very talented writer, WAY better than I am.

Lastly, the following should speak for itself but it might change the view of a few of readers which is already a win in my book;
Be nice to developers, especially when they're just starting out. Maybe that will result into games getting abandoned less often or maybe they'll grow and make something great later down the road.
In short, developers are people, they don't deserve the hate, even less so if it's just for certain fetishes.

This entire post can be summed up as "NTR haters are mean people who bullied me".
Ok. is the logic here that "they" deserve such a spite project like the xmas events?

But... those guys who gave you a 1 star review with "eww NTR" aren't playing your game.
They are not going to see the xmas scene.
You are punching the wrong people.

I can understand why you did it. as you say, you are only human.
But... well, I am sharing that the xmas events were quite frankly painful instead of enjoyable.

 

[Xo Mo]

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[Black Mamba24]

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[Green Layer]

This entire post can be summed up as "NTR haters are mean people who bullied me".
Ok. is the logic here that "they" deserve such a spite project like the xmas events?

But... those guys who gave you a 1 star review with "eww NTR" aren't playing your game.
They are not going to see the xmas scene.
You are punching the wrong people.

I can understand why you did it. as you say, you are only human.
But... well, I am sharing that the xmas events were quite frankly painful instead of enjoyable.

Well, technically it is their game and they can do whatever they want with it. And please remember, this game carters all audiences. So, content like this is inevitable, and as Xo Mo said, "Do not take anything seriously". People these days are triggered by their own face in mirror.

The purpose of this forum is to share constructive criticism or share your sentiments, but bombarding the devs with the BS without paying them on Patreon is cheap.

Not to mention that this game and the devs are a million times better than the garbage games and garbage devs present on this site.

 

[harem.king]

Well, technically it is their game and they can do whatever they want with it. And please remember, this game carters all audiences. So, content like this is inevitable, and as Xo Mo said, "Do not take anything seriously". People these days are triggered by their own face in mirror.

The purpose of this forum is to share constructive criticism or share your sentiments, but bombarding the devs with the BS without paying them on Patreon is cheap.

Not to mention that this game and the devs are a million times better than the garbage games and garbage devs present on this site.

What are you even talking about. This post is all over the place.
I am not "bombarding" the dev. I am replying to his posts, and dev made more posts on this subject then me.

The dev is incorrectly claiming that NTR and sharing is completely avoidable. They contain explicit sharing, implied NTR of MC, and explicit NTR of a bro / beloved cultural icon (santa claus).
And those events are unavoidable.

The xmas events are a spite project against NTR haters.
Dev argues that having such a spite project in the game is justified because NTR haters bullied them.
I am here gently giving constructive criticism on why it is a bad idea to make sure a spite project.
It is pointless, making things less fun for the actual fans, and does not even hit the intended target.

As for not taking everything seriously... that is a great advice that the dev should take. Be less serious and drop the spite project.

 

[Xo Mo]

What are you even talking about. This post is all over the place.
I am not "bombarding" the dev. I am replying to his posts, and dev made more posts on this subject then me.

The dev is incorrectly claiming that NTR and sharing is completely avoidable. They contain explicit sharing, implied NTR of MC, and explicit NTR of a bro / beloved cultural icon (santa claus).
And those events are unavoidable.

The xmas events are a spite project against NTR haters.
Dev argues that having such a spite project in the game is justified because NTR haters bullied them.
I am here gently giving constructive criticism on why it is a bad idea to make sure a spite project.
It is pointless, making things less fun for the actual fans, and does not even hit the intended target.

As for not taking everything seriously... that is a great advice that the dev should take. Be less serious and drop the spite project.

The Christmas events are non-canon. They are not real in the world of LTA. They are simply a bit of non-contextual fun. Pure imagination...

If you can't take a simple political joke, lighten up. If you don't like NTR, then it is avoidable. The Xmas events have nothing to do with the main game or main story.

Considering what LTA has done with the Nuns in the church, Santa is just another myth to fool around with. It's meant to be FUN! Take it or leave it. If you get offended, perhaps you should examine your own morality.

Whatever you find offensive another person delights in. I hate anything anal, butt... there's plenty of it in LTA. I hate smoking, but... Eddie smokes almost constantly in the game. I don't let it get under my skin as much as the non-canon SANTA scenes seem to have with you.

Santa Claus as we know him today was invented by Coca Cola as a mascot to promote their cocaine laced sugar drink. The narcotic properties of cocaine were eventually removed, but the whole mythology around him is pure fiction, fantasy for children. LTA is not for children. Yes, those myths and traditions are treasured by millions. Not by me or Jamleng, though.

We see Santa the same as Ronald McDonald, the Trix Rabbit, the Honey Nut Cheerios Bee, Tony the Tiger, Mickey Mouse, etc... A completely made-up character to fuck around with in our game. As long as no one claims copyright on them.

Constructive criticism means you are doing your best to be helpful. Advising us of issues with code, renders, consistency, etc.

However, the holiday events are all non-canon JOKES simply for the JOKE. Yes, in the first Santa event, some things happen that conflict with the newer Santa event. It doesn't matter. Let it go.

RE: NTR. I covered that here: https://f95zone.to/threads/lewd-town-adventures-v0-14-5-jamleng-games.61000/post-13011209
I will say nothing more on it.
This is me being polite but firm.
I do not have any interest in getting negative or being an asshole. There are more than enough of those in the zone. I truly, honestly wish everyone a hilarious and joyous day.

 

[Green Layer]

The Christmas events are non-canon. They are not real in the world of LTA. They are simply a bit of non-contextual fun. Pure imagination...

If you can't take a simple political joke, lighten up. If you don't like NTR, then it is avoidable. The Xmas events have nothing to do with the main game or main story.

Considering what LTA has done with the Nuns in the church, Santa is just another myth to fool around with. It's meant to be FUN! Take it or leave it. If you get offended, perhaps you should examine your own morality.

Whatever you find offensive another person delights in. I hate anything anal, butt... there's plenty of it in LTA. I hate smoking, but... Eddie smokes almost constantly in the game. I don't let it get under my skin as much as the non-canon SANTA scenes seem to have with you.

Santa Claus as we know him today was invented by Coca Cola as a mascot to promote their cocaine laced sugar drink. The narcotic properties of cocaine were eventually removed, but the whole mythology around him is pure fiction, fantasy for children. LTA is not for children. Yes, those myths and traditions are treasured by millions. Not by me or Jamleng, though.

We see Santa the same as Ronald McDonald, the Trix Rabbit, the Honey Nut Cheerios Bee, Tony the Tiger, Mickey Mouse, etc... A completely made-up character to fuck around with in our game. As long as no one claims copyright on them.

Constructive criticism means you are doing your best to be helpful. Advising us of issues with code, renders, consistency, etc.

However, the holiday events are all non-canon JOKES simply for the JOKE. Yes, in the first Santa event, some things happen that conflict with the newer Santa event. It doesn't matter. Let it go.

RE: NTR. I covered that here: https://f95zone.to/threads/lewd-town-adventures-v0-14-5-jamleng-games.61000/post-13011209
I will say nothing more on it.
This is me being polite but firm.
I do not have any interest in getting negative or being an asshole. There are more than enough of those in the zone. I truly, honestly wish everyone a hilarious and joyous day.

Do you guys plan to continue being game developers or have plans for your next game after LTA?

Would love more content form you guys. This game has been more than solid so far.

 

[harem.king]

The Christmas events are non-canon. They are not real in the world of LTA. They are simply a bit of non-contextual fun. Pure imagination...

1. literally nothing in the game says this is non canon. there is no "this was all just a dream". This post right now here in the F95 forum is the only place where there is even mention of it being non canon.

2. So what? Even if it is non canon, it is still in the game and it happens. In the harem path, you are forced to watch a sharing and NTR scenes. Even if it did say "it was all just a dream" later (which it does NOT, but even if it did) that would not change the fact that there is unavoidable sharing and unavoidable NTR.

Constructive criticism means you are doing your best to be helpful. Advising us of issues with code, renders, consistency, etc.

And I am being helpful. I am helpfully explaining to you why you are not punching the people you are aiming to punch.
And suggesting you correct it.

For example. I suggest that you:
A. explicitly say that the xmas event is non canon in the game itself. "it was all just a dream". instead of the current state.

B. limit those xmas events to the dark path and/or warn the player about their content and allow them to opt out.

 

[Lifeplayer]

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