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NaughtyRoad, just to make this clear : I'm fairly sure the people passionately discussing your game here do so because they actually feel like this game is doing something special. If your game/story wasn't any good, then nobody (including myself) would bother to come here to comment on it.

Your choice of models and the fact you made this game 95% about the characters OTHER than the MC are really a refreshing take on the genre. Your game can be a potential inspiration for other authors wanting to do something interesting with their game.
 

Count Morado

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There's plenty of choices and plenty of consequences...

Even for those, there's a very good reason to add them...
That has been my view of single-choice options when used effectively. They are there to make the player pause, to understand what is about to happen has to happen (whether you want it to or not) because that is part of this world. Or to help the player understand the ramification and responsibility of their actions. It's that dramatic pause, the caesura (here's 25-cent word) - the notation in music, the blank page in a book, or the Pinter silence in plays.

This isn't a porn game as much as some want it to be. It's an adult visual novel that has ramifications for certain choices and inevitability for others. It has lewd bits, but the lewd bits aren't the source of the conflict of the story, they are the results.

For me, this is what makes this title stand out among the others I have seen. It's why I like the movie Caligula or the book The Story of O or non-lewd story-driven AAA and indie games.

Your Mileage May Vary - but that is part of the enjoyment of this experience.
 

Miðgarðsormr

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When ppl complain about not having a choice ingame i always think about games like Final fantasy, Zelda, Resident Evil etc.
And Books many many books who got made into movies or TV series in which the audience go for a journey to magical lands or follow a story of many variations.

I always remember they never had any success cause the lack of choices.

Jokes aside this is a visual novel. Not a porn game and not a sex simulator. People may confuse this with the rampant amounts of porn games and sex simulators on this board but this is what a visuel novel looks like. Sure it has sex in it and rightfully so. But the essence of the game is the story and the characters and what they go through.

If it is not your cup of tea that is 100% your right or opinion to have. But at no point in time should naughtyroad change anything on this success story. That man knows what he is doing.

Never change a running system.
 

deathhound7

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NaughtyRoad, just to make this clear : I'm fairly sure the people passionately discussing your game here do so because they actually feel like this game is doing something special. If your game/story wasn't any good, then nobody (including myself) would bother to come here to comment on it.

Your choice of models and the fact you made this game 95% about the characters OTHER than the MC are really a refreshing take on the genre. Your game can be a potential inspiration for other authors wanting to do something interesting with their game.

Reads a mediocre or sub-par story: Absolutely no criticism to be had, because it was forgotten in t-minus ten minutes.

Reads a story and can't put it down: Proceeds to write an essay detailing every single perceived and potential flaw.

Sounds legit.
 

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The renders look beautiful. You made some really good use of lighting and made the character sprites well integrated in the scenes. So much attention to subtle animations during dialogue too.

I like how the talking characters emote to intuitively draw attention to who the speaker is. There is also blinking animations almost everywhere.

What software/assets did you use for the rendering? Are these daz studio/ poser models? Did you render them in blender or some other external software?
Are the blink animations on another layer to preserve space or are they baked into the sprites?
 
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naughtyroad

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The renders look beautiful. You made some really good use of lighting and made the character sprites well integrated in the scenes. So much attention to subtle animations during dialogue too.

I like how the talking characters emote to intuitively draw attention to who the speaker is. There is also blinking animations almost everywhere.

What software/assets did you use for the rendering? Are these daz studio/ poser models? Did you render them in blender or some other external software?
Are the blink animations on another layer to preserve space or are they baked into the sprites?
Cheers. The characters are Genesis-8, but quite heavily customized various morphs and skins from the daz store (e.g. not stock characters). Rendering has been done using iray in daz3d studio. Effects like blinking, movement and camera pan/zoom have been created in ren'py using a variety of ATL transforms.
 

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I was originally put off by the character models in the initial shots that I was seeing. I thought Macy's face was too skinny and pointed, for instance. Those concerns quickly dissipated once I actually started reading the VN and saw the characters in all their various facial expressions.

Macy seems to be the most robust in having different aspects of her personality; you get the bad-girl version of her with her eye-rolls and the 'eye' she sometimes shoots at Lou, and then there's how vulnerable she was at the funeral, or her laughing at the dinner table at something unintentionally insane that her sister had said.

I even like it when Denise points her fork at her sister while talking; I don't know why that amuses me, it just does.

I've seen a lot of VN's using what people would call good renders, but the expressions and body language are both completely wooden. I've found that I'm even perfectly fine with models that others have criticized, such as those from Honey Select, so long as the characters show expression and are at least posed naturally. Once I realize that the characters never smirk or are keeping their arms almost at their sides at all times . . . I'm done.

Variety is the spice of life, and I find too often that devs are just creating multiples of what they think a generic hotty should look like. This usually results in a technically pretty barbie-doll that's absolutely boring and does nothing for me.

Denise and Macy represent two completely different body-types, and are both wholly different from every other character out there. Macy is tall and skinny, and her piercings and tattoos only serve to make it more interesting from a visual standpoint. Denise is not really a character that I would have thought of as 'sexy'. She's got those braids, a gap-tooth, and she's short, which all just screams, 'loli' to me. She's also got well-developed tits and an ass for miles and mile and miles. Oddly enough, just changing her hair entirely changes my visual perspective of her.

I shit you not; there's a guy running around with a sig banner with Denise's hair done up in a bun, and Macy beating her ass like a bongo drum that was literally the deciding factor when it came to me deciding to give this VN a go.

I still think that the three 'S's are nightmare fuel. I'd fuck the shit out of Brooke, but Sara, Zara, and Sierra keep me up at night, and not in a good way.
 

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I honestly think most people that have problems with this story think of it as a branching VN and not a kinetic VN with minor choices as in a lot of JP VN sold with branching paths the story can sometimes go a different route with a different conclusion by basically choosing a different character/s to interact with more until you reach the break point in which the paths split or in some cases the story ends. As far as I can tell their are no other paths just scenes that are skipped based on choice which ultimately will just alter the relationships status when the story ends, which I'm guessing the multiple endings tag is for the ending status in relationships can be different and possibly comes with an epilogue section based on relationships.
 
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(...) As far as I can tell their are no other paths just scenes that are skipped based on choice (...)
That is about right, except different paths might have some wildly varying dialog (for instance the M+D Locked Out paths have very different dialogs going on as to their motivations and their romantic interactions with each other, even if the images that accompany that dialog are the same).

But I made a very deliberate choice not to have branching paths, that would require creating graphical assets that would be mutually exclusive between branches. E.g. you can see all the content for any character in one play-through, unless you cut off the path for that character. Being a one-man show and already incredibly strapped for time, it felt like a waste of time to create a lot of content that is seen by only half the players or less (depending on the number of branches and distribution of choices).
 
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But I made a very deliberate choice not to have branching paths, that would require creating graphical assets that would be mutually exclusive between branches. E.g. you can see all the content for any character in one play-through, unless you cut off the path for that character. Being a one-man show and already incredibly strapped for time, it felt like a waste of time to create a lot of content that is seen by only half the players or less (depending on the number of branches and distribution of choices).
Sir, this is one of the things I LOVE about your game! It reduces 'stress' a lot because of it. I always want to see all the scenes so I'm glad I don't have to have multiple save files and rewind multiple paths to try and see all the content.
So... what you may see as a negative/limitation, I see as a huge boon!
 

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Honestly, due the character design I kind of avoided it before but damn... that was huge mistake, love the writing and two main girls. Honestly, I always enjoyed kind of "slice of life" stories and I think If it was normal VN (without sex) I would love it too. :) Honestly wonderful job writing 2 main girls.

Really curious how it will go in the next chapter!

As for 3 office ladies,
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