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naughtyroad

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On this whole talk about WT's. I know how much the dev hates it. But I don't think he understands why people keep asking for that. The problem is not in his game, but in a lot of other VN's. It's very easy to miss content due one single wrong choice. Even when the choice appears to be obvious, devs love to throw curve balls thinking they are being clever. This creates a complete distrust in the players. When I saw the "Macy still fucking hates you. Affection level: 1/10" for the first time I too kinda thought to look for a WT, just in case I was doing something wrong.
You're not wrong about how we as players have been conditioned by some of the worst design choices of games that came before. I wrote a longwinded post about it here: https://f95zone.to/threads/light-of-my-life-ch-9-v0-9-0-naughty-road.29628/post-4831501

I do get why people want a WT, and there are games out there that I wouldn't touch without one. But as a developer, it's a weird proposition, because it's basically someone saying "screw all the effort you put into making a reactive experience that tries to validate my choices, Naughty. What would really make this little game of yours sooo much better is turning it into a de-facto kinetic novel." :D

LomL tries to solve the issue by marking choices that will lock you out of content with a clear warning ("this will lock you of of X's path" / "this will prevent you from seeing y content"). But it takes a bit of time for an abused player to realize they can trust the game in that regard (if they ever do), so I get where that feeling of insecurity comes from.

But what I really hope is that devs will stop thinking that blindsiding players with unforeseen consequences for seemingly random choices is a fun mechanic in a VN. It is not, I'll replay the Witcher 3 if I want hard choices and random, dire outcomes.


bruh just go back a few steps and pick "Start chapter 8 with default choices", which opens up all paths without a significant risk of random crashes due to an invalid internal game state.

can some please explain how is NTR in this game?
To access NTR content in LomL, do the following:
1. Start the game.
2. Load a save, or start a new game.
3. Choose options->main menu.
4. Then, and this is an important step: select Quit from the menu, and confirm by selecting "Yes".
5. open a browser and paste this url: https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=games/page=1/tags=258
6. make a selection of the preferred NTR from the options on display, and enjoy!

jk, ;) feel free to enjoy whatever does it for you, just know that LomL does not and will not include NTR of either kind.
 

naughtyroad

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Anyone have problems starting s2v9? Tired even to run as admin, but loading appears then a black window and it closes. Win11 ,RTX4080.

Not had any problems with s2v8 or the previous versions.
Can't think of any reason why it would. Are you using any mods, or did you hack it into developer mode?

Another long shot might be if you've started using HDR monintors recently, in combination with full screen? I've seen some reports about ren'py players that had issues with that, seems to be a monitor driver issue on the vendor's end.
 

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Can't think of any reason why it would. Are you using any mods, or did you hack it into developer mode?

Another long shot might be if you've started using HDR monintors recently, in combination with full screen? I've seen some reports about ren'py players that had issues with that, seems to be a monitor driver issue on the vendor's end.
No mods or hacking. Had HDR at least 3 years now.
Can't think of any reason why it would. Are you using any mods, or did you hack it into developer mode?

Another long shot might be if you've started using HDR monintors recently, in combination with full screen? I've seen some reports about ren'py players that had issues with that, seems to be a monitor driver issue on the vendor's end.
I had to find some AI advice on google :)

"If the issue persists, try disabling controller support or launching the game with Shift held down to access the graphics menu and adjust the video renderer ."

I disabled the controller support. Now it starts. And BTW thanks for an amazing game, only Renpy game I actualy read the dialog.
 
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Anon4321

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My last save file has disappeared. Does anyone have a save file for version 0.8.2?
Here you go, I think

I sent my last save for 0.8.2 - s02-5-6-LT1.save
but there were tons of other files I've never seen before
So, I also included all the files that were created/modified same day as the save
I left the main save as a separate file, it's not included with the others
 
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Anon4321

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Anyone have problems starting s2v9? Tired even to run as admin, but loading appears then a black window and it closes. Win11 ,RTX4080.

Not had any problems with s2v8 or the previous versions.
No, never had to be asked to run it in admin

I recommend deleting the entire folder and redownloading a fresh copy
because that could indicate something's not right with the files
you might also want to run a malware/virus scan as well, just to be safe

and if you're just using Windows Defender, I recommend downloading a trail copy of something like and run a full scan
 

Count Morado

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No, never had to be asked to run it in admin

I recommend deleting the entire folder and redownloading a fresh copy
because that could indicate something's not right with the files
you might also want to run a malware/virus scan as well, just to be safe

and if you're just using Windows Defender, I recommend downloading a trail copy of something like and run a full scan
The actual files are fine. They've been checked and double checked. If you mean they might have downloaded something wrong and pulled a virus/malware from something else - usually the behavior they are stating isn't the behavior that would occur.
 

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Can't think of any reason why it would. Are you using any mods, or did you hack it into developer mode?

Another long shot might be if you've started using HDR monintors recently, in combination with full screen? I've seen some reports about ren'py players that had issues with that, seems to be a monitor driver issue on the vendor's end.
Not a fan of monitors needing drivers, all that should be needed is an ICCM profile
 

Anon4321

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The actual files are fine. They've been checked and double checked. If you mean they might have downloaded something wrong and pulled a virus/malware from something else - usually the behavior they are stating isn't the behavior that would occur.
Understandable
The reason I bought it up was because something similar happened to me, and while it was a Unity game, it asked for admin access and stupid me allowed it, if it wasn't for BitDefender going all John Wick on it, I'm pretty sure I would have been in serious trouble.
 
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Understandable
The reason I bought it up was because something similar happened to me, and while it was a Unity game, it asked for admin access and stupid me allowed it, if it wasn't for BitDefender for going all John Wick on it, I'm pretty sure I would have been in serious trouble.
Now that you mention it, with the release of chapter 7 there were some reports from McAffee putting some standard ren'py engine files in isolation because some heuristics mistook them for a threat (turned out to be false positives). It's not entirely out of the question something like that is causing KarlDiter 's issues, although I'd expect a virus scanner to be more vocal about its actions, mistaken or no.
 

Count Morado

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Now that you mention it, with the release of chapter 7 there were some reports from McAffee putting some standard ren'py engine files in isolation because some heuristics mistook them for a threat (turned out to be false positives). It's not entirely out of the question something like that is causing KarlDiter 's issues, although I'd expect a virus scanner to be more vocal about its actions, mistaken or no.
I'm still under the idea it's a video drivers/card thing.

May need to hit CTRL+G upon starting game to change ren'py graphics options if can't get drivers/card to play nice.
 

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I tried searching for an answer, but didn't see anything. Has Naughtyroad ever said whether there will be permanent relationships with the other girls? I'm super happy with Denise and Macy, but I've grown attached to Brooke and the weird sisters.

I know the dev has said that romancing the the other girls wouldn't be penalized so I am, but I'm not really one for casual relationships and those other girls deserve love too. I get that Sara is probably off the table because she has a husband, but has Naughtyroad said anything either way about whether we may be able to add the others to the family?
 

VBoat

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hold on ... so just the butt stuff with Denise and the phone call ?? am i missing something?? no enough .. not fair dude. excelleent quality as always. love these girls.. hopefully more pee fun in the next one
 
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Turning Tricks

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I was looking forward to this but I don't remember having to punch a button EVERY TEN SECONDS. Right in the middle of sex even. Killed off whatever interest I have had.
On this whole talk about WT's. I know how much the dev hates it. But I don't think he understands why people keep asking for that. The problem is not in his game, but in a lot of other VN's. It's very easy to miss content due one single wrong choice. Even when the choice appears to be obvious, devs love to throw curve balls thinking they are being clever. This creates a complete distrust in the players. When I saw the "Macy still fucking hates you. Affection level: 1/10" for the first time I too kinda thought to look for a WT, just in case I was doing something wrong.

I don't really need to defend Naughty's choices, since he does that quite well himself :D

But some people don't realize that all the choices in this game are not like in most other VN's. They are not constantly changing content or starting new paths. Seems to me that most of the choices are there to increase immersion. So that you don't just keep hitting the space bar to advance... instead, it's making you think about how you respond. So if (for example) Denise asks you a loaded question (ala Chrissy in Three's Company, lol) you might have 3 or 4 responses. No matter which one you choose, the progress and content will still be the same, and you won't miss anything; but what it does do is to allow you to change the narrative in your own experience, and that is one of the true gems of this game, I feel. It's honestly one of the very few VN's on here where I read ever block of dialogue because Naughty has the talent to make it interesting and funny. And these choices just allow you to sink a bit deeper into the story and feel like you are actually participating.

Maybe when Naughty is finished with this finally, he could possibly add a "Story" mode to the main menu - possibly one that let's you pick a style you wish for yourself (like Bold, Shy, Romantic, Simp (lol) - I dunno) and then it acts more like a kinetic VN. That's just a thought. No idea if Naughty has any plans for something like that.
 

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Great as always, love the pet store name. I am just disappointed that I can't keep racking up love points(even if they don't change anything), since my last dozen or so times it has said I am already at the max of 10. I want to be over-leveled in this rpg.
 
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TommyTuba

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You're not wrong about how we as players have been conditioned by some of the worst design choices of games that came before. I wrote a longwinded post about it here: https://f95zone.to/threads/light-of-my-life-ch-9-v0-9-0-naughty-road.29628/post-4831501

I do get why people want a WT, and there are games out there that I wouldn't touch without one. But as a developer, it's a weird proposition, because it's basically someone saying "screw all the effort you put into making a reactive experience that tries to validate my choices, Naughty. What would really make this little game of yours sooo much better is turning it into a de-facto kinetic novel." :D

LomL tries to solve the issue by marking choices that will lock you out of content with a clear warning ("this will lock you of of X's path" / "this will prevent you from seeing y content"). But it takes a bit of time for an abused player to realize they can trust the game in that regard (if they ever do), so I get where that feeling of insecurity comes from.

But what I really hope is that devs will stop thinking that blindsiding players with unforeseen consequences for seemingly random choices is a fun mechanic in a VN. It is not, I'll replay the Witcher 3 if I want hard choices and random, dire outcomes.




bruh just go back a few steps and pick "Start chapter 8 with default choices", which opens up all paths without a significant risk of random crashes due to an invalid internal game state.



To access NTR content in LomL, do the following:
1. Start the game.
2. Load a save, or start a new game.
3. Choose options->main menu.
4. Then, and this is an important step: select Quit from the menu, and confirm by selecting "Yes".
5. open a browser and paste this url: https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=games/page=1/tags=258
6. make a selection of the preferred NTR from the options on display, and enjoy!

jk, ;) feel free to enjoy whatever does it for you, just know that LomL does not and will not include NTR of either kind.
Great game. Hoping next update will include more lesbian action with the other characters, especially Brooke. :D
 

darlic

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Great update, I'm very happy with how NaughtyRoad dealt with the recurrent issue with dialogue this game had with the previous chapters, where scenes felt like they were unnecessarily dragging on for ages.

I hope this approach continues for the upcoming chapters as well. Keep up the great work :)
 
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