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Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]
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and, yet, one can ethically enslave people if it calls for it. one can also free those same slaves, and if a slave gets trapped in a small, dark room tied up and constantly milked for the rest of their pathetic existences...well, is it really unethical if all that produce goes towards a good cause? is it really unethical if all that cum and milk forcefully pumped out of a potentially unwilling slave gives others - me - peace of mind and money? is it truly unethical if that slave knows nothing more than being milked for the rest of their lives, if it helps provide for my poor family of twenty-something maids and my poor, dear Lilaya? oh, and Rose too i guess.
The lore of the game states only criminals can be enslaved, so in a sense, this is their penance. The issue is that a lot resort to criminal activity and prostitution because the economy is in shambles, meaning for some the choice was brought up from desperation rather than the desire to be a criminal. This, however, can be beneficial to the PC because it means we won't have any trouble finding someone to enslave. If everyone was a goody shoes, we wouldn't slave content. The beauty of it lies in that you can be as kind or as ruthless as you desire.
Don't want to be a douche? Then don't. You're basically giving them a job, a roof over their head, a few meals a day and company versus living in the streets or struggling with the rent, never knowing what the next day will bring. In a sense, they become more like indentured servants than slaves. Don't care about ethics and morals in a videogame? Go for it and put them 24/7 in a room just for profit. It's a text game, half the context comes from your imagination.
Don't want to be a douche? Then don't. You're basically giving them a job, a roof over their head, a few meals a day and company versus living in the streets or struggling with the rent, never knowing what the next day will bring. In a sense, they become more like indentured servants than slaves. Don't care about ethics and morals in a videogame? Go for it and put them 24/7 in a room just for profit. It's a text game, half the context comes from your imagination.
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Every randomized npc is a mugger, a prostitute, a cop or a club goer. OFC the economy is in shambles.
The rest might as well be cardboard cut outs.
The rest might as well be cardboard cut outs.
Actually, I think the economy is in shambles because most of the population is DTF with literally anybody they bump into, 24/7. You don't get a lot of real work done if you're constantly taking 'breaks', not to mention the potential for workplace accidents, people getting the crap beat out of them because someone 'can't feel it' unless someone is in pain, and the drainage...
Oh yes, the drainage. You know what you get when people are especially squirty when having sex and they're having it multiple times a day? Fluids all over the floor. That stuff has to go somewhere, or it's a slipping hazard. So everywhere has to factor in fluid drainage, with drains, pipes, flow valves, and vermin traps for -every- floor in the building. And it's gotta be maintained, or it's gonna back up. And the people maintaining it are likely just as horny as everyone else.
And then everything gets dialed up to 11 when an arcane storm breaks out.
This is why you sometimes see 'world orgy' crop up sometimes in porn as an apocalypse scenario. Because everything just comes to a screaming halt when nobody can keep it in their pants.
Oh yes, the drainage. You know what you get when people are especially squirty when having sex and they're having it multiple times a day? Fluids all over the floor. That stuff has to go somewhere, or it's a slipping hazard. So everywhere has to factor in fluid drainage, with drains, pipes, flow valves, and vermin traps for -every- floor in the building. And it's gotta be maintained, or it's gonna back up. And the people maintaining it are likely just as horny as everyone else.
And then everything gets dialed up to 11 when an arcane storm breaks out.
This is why you sometimes see 'world orgy' crop up sometimes in porn as an apocalypse scenario. Because everything just comes to a screaming halt when nobody can keep it in their pants.
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Reality has no place in porn. That's rule #1.
Quick question: Can the lag that builds up from having large numbers of offspring be counter-acted by removing the offspring? IE, using the offspring map, beating them up, then chasing them off. Makes me feel like an ass, but I don't want my computer to blow up.
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The population at large isn't actually terminally horny, save for the imps and whoever decides to go/gets caught out in a storm. Certainly not prude by any stretch but as with other things, the kinds of people we personally interact with and the effect of our special protagonist aura heavily colours perception.
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I don't know about chasing them off; I usually beat them up, enchant a piece of their clothing to enslave them, then sell them in Scarlet's shop. I know that keeps the population under control.
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To be fair I wish that wasn't the case, my brain just breaks every time when I play some VN, and then it stops making sense because of porn
- Sep 8, 2019
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Yep. As long as they're removed from your save file that should help. The lag comes from the game updating buff/debuff statuses on every NPC in the entire world every single turn.
If you're feeling adventurous, you can even edit your save file in a text or XML editor and directly remove the NPC tags. While that method is a lot faster, that can also cause your saves to become corrupted if you do something wrong. Be sure to make a backup if you attempt this!
What if instead, of all that, I just enjoy thinking about this stuff?
Don't get me wrong, I play a lot of slave managing porn games. It's just an interesting to think about how something like the potions in the game would fit into the real world scheme of ethics. Like, it gets pretty fucky fast.
Still gonna bang a house full of fox girls until we've overpopulated the world to a corrupting apocalypse. Game corrupting, not mechanically corrupting lol
Depending on how many you have, it could just be easier to go delete them from your save file lol
- Jan 26, 2020
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you mentioned you've played some slave management games, and i've played a good few as well, but i was wondering if you had any suggestions that are more like this game specifically? or if not like this then better? off the top of my head a few slave management games i've played - and still play because they're actually pretty fun - are SlaveMaker, Strive For Power, Free Cities, and if i'm bored i'll play SlaveMatrix. any other suggestions?
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if i recall correctly, the romance side-quest for Helena - the Swan Harpy lady part of Scarlett's quest - requires you to hand over Scarlett after you've enslaved her and, to do that, you need her in your party. unless there's some convolutedly simple way i just ignored or something, i'm pretty sure that the companion system is required for that. i'm unsure about other quests though - mostly because i dont remember most of the early quests all that well.
Agreed, the comparison was more meant to display how neither is ever going to finish the large project they set out to do and at this point have clearly lost passion for the very thing that brought them so much money and attention. At this point both should just be upfront about the fact they clearly have no desire to finish said projects, but neither will cause money/ego.
All in all I'd put my money on sooner seeing a published version of Winds of Winter before we ever get a complete/stable version of LT.
This is the thing that really irks me about Inno, I'm far from a programmer I did a course or two in College years ago and pretty much only know very basic stuff as a hobby. But fuck for this much time and money I feel like if you're still this bad at coding you either have zero talent or just aren't trying to improve, might be a bit of both in this case seeing how much spaghetti code is here.
It's sad because there is a really good game in here, so much potential being wasted on a person who clearly can't ever deliver. I get why people still pay money, lots of people have convinced themselves that with enough time and money that Inno will deliver the awesome version of the game this deserves to be, unfortunately I just don't think that game will very come from Inno, fan projects and mods may be the only hope. Would love to be proven wrong though...
I'm going to be honest, I don't have any other suggestions that are similar to this one. I'm actually playing the strive for power conquest patch right now lol
It used to be that you had to add Scarlet into your party and walk over to Helena's store, but that part of the romance quest with Helena was changed. I can't remember when it changed, but now when you interact with Scarlet there is just a button that magically teleports you and Scarlet to her store in the slave alley.
- Sep 8, 2019
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That's correct. Elementals use the same basic system.
I think IvoryOwl is referring to the option in the menu that allows you to bring arbitrary companions with you, as well as the companion-specific dialogue littered in the game (such as bringing slave Brax with you when you talk to Sean in Slaver's Alley). That sort of thing tends to give people false hope.
Inno has actually improved pretty drastically since the project started. The problem is that 1) many of those old systems haven't received the touchups that they need and 2) knowing how to program doesn't mean that you have the ability to properly organize and plan ahead (that's what separates a junior programmer from a senior programmer or software engineer). Inno is a better world builder than a software engineer and there's strong hints of that all throughout the code.
The former is something that can be improved with drastic refactors, but the latter is something that needs to be built up through collaboration and failure. If LT is Inno's first project—and I suspect it is—she's skipping a lot of steps that programmers generally take. I was a decent enough programmer in my teens, but I had to code myself into a corner many times before I learned how to actually design software.
In fairness, she's far from alone in this. It's much easier to get into programming and game development these days, and the multitude of fly-by-night Patreon projects are a side-effect of this very issue. It's easy to plot pixels to a screen, but it's hard to make a well-structured, maintainable program. A lot of people seem to like to shit on engines like Ren'Py and Twine, but despite their shortcomings they largely allow artists to just be artists. Without tools like those you'd have more cases like this, where artists have to figure out how to make a game engine before they can create their art.
I really don't think Inno is lying when she says she's experiencing burnout. The problem I have is that she's producing very little and earning an increasing amount of money. I would be shitcanned in a second if my productivity at work were anything like this, but as we see time and time again fanboyism and the sunk cost fallacy love to rear their ugly heads when scheduled donations are involved.