RPGM Lisa [v3.0.5] [PaleGrass]

[Skorm007]

RIP, the dark edge that made this game really great and a stand out is gone. Don't understand why you ain't just switching platforms? does it have to be MEGA? Oh well.. too bad.

Probably because the same stuff could make him lose his patreon and because the potential legal rammifications don't just limit itself to his online accounts.

 

[Atlan]

Probably because the same stuff could make him lose his patreon and because the potential legal rammifications don't just limit itself to his online accounts.

As I said there are more options than MEGA and Patreon.. Still think or hope its gonna be a good game.

 

[tubitvdishi2]

As I said there are more options than MEGA and Patreon.. Still think or hope its gonna be a good game.

Yeah, like Mediafire, wetransfer, Dropbox... etc.

 

[SexyShelly]

It's such a shame that Mega allowed just one person named "RanCor" falsely report your links and just ban your account so easily from one false report, one person, out of hate towards female protag games being shown as the editors choice on Fap-Nation that caused you so much stress and worry, I understand that you want to play it safe for your and your game future, but, none of this is your or your game fault

 

[iainmore]

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AUG 02, 2023 03:59 PM
Changes to the game.

Hi guys.

Sorry for the absence recently.

Sadly I'm not returning with any good news but I just need to rip the band aid off and say it straight because I've been shaking at the thought of dropping this news for a week now. Two routes in the game are being removed entirely being Paul's route and Duncan's route. I know these routes in particular are where a lot of my notoriety came from and I know the popularity of the game will take a major hit seeing these routes go but believe me when I say; I didn't make this decision lightly. I recently posted about my Mega account being removed and though Mega's terms & conditions are very open to interpretation due to how loosely they're written; the law leaves no wiggle room. I really just want to make a great game with something for everyone, a lasting experience for those that play but I won't break the law to do it. Around six months into making Episode 1 I looked into the legal side of things when considering Duncan but I stopped thinking that "so many others are doing it, it's probably fine." This is true for most of the game's content but I really should've been more thorough. The law is extremely clear in how it's written and that's the bottom line for me. Some may think this is an unreasonable reaction but please consider yourself in this situation. Possession is one thing but creation and distribution is another.

Duncan will remain in the game as a key component in Riggs' operations but without Paul's routes I see little reason to keep his character in the game. The main story will remain unchanged.

I am so, so sorry to every and anyone who was looking forward to these routes.

Over the next few days I'll be working on an adapted version of the master file with these routes removed, after it's ready I'll re-upload the game. This will undoubtedly create a lot of issues in the coming months but it's a hurdle I'll tackle as we come to it.

I really am sorry but there's no way around it.

//pG

That just plain sucks. It has the hands of some fuckin Wokist all over it. I make no apologies for the grammar.

 

[Shelby_Ruman]

hey just a quick suggestion,is it possible to entirely neglect the blackmail stuffs in the official portal like patreon and mega but can be released as a separate patches in this forum,i know that palegrass has suggested earlier he was quite skeptical about the darker routes,but anyway as he mentioned removing it wont affect the story,but the distress and downfall lisa goes through is really important so i thought why not include it separately as file that can attached in the official game...kinda like a patch for scenes of darker routes...

i know there are many platforms other than patreon mega so that you can port that separate patch with the darker routes in this forum though ...dont know how it will go i hope not releasing officially and releasing as separate patch in the f95zone forum would be choice that can be considered!

 

[Shelby_Ruman]

also since duncan is important for the tony arc,probably in the official release there might be scenes extreme only through verbal communication,the nudity and rape are very extreme so that probably a separate secret patch releasing in this forum might be a viable option..

 

[tubitvdishi2]

hey just a quick suggestion,is it possible to entirely neglect the blackmail stuffs in the official portal like patreon and mega but can be released as a separate patches in this forum,i know that palegrass has suggested earlier he was quite skeptical about the darker routes,but anyway as he mentioned removing it wont affect the story,but the distress and downfall lisa goes through is really important so i thought why not include it separately as file that can attached in the official game...kinda like a patch for scenes of darker routes...

i know there are many platforms other than patreon mega so that you can port that separate patch with the darker routes in this forum though ...dont know how it will go i hope not releasing officially and releasing as separate patch in the f95zone forum would be choice that can be considered!

That is a very good idea. Also check out the website : L e w d c o r n e r. There are many risque titles that manage to pull it off on that website so therefore, I do believe that there has to some other way to still continue those routes.

 

[Skorm007]

hey just a quick suggestion,is it possible to entirely neglect the blackmail stuffs in the official portal like patreon and mega but can be released as a separate patches in this forum,i know that palegrass has suggested earlier he was quite skeptical about the darker routes,but anyway as he mentioned removing it wont affect the story,but the distress and downfall lisa goes through is really important so i thought why not include it separately as file that can attached in the official game...kinda like a patch for scenes of darker routes...

i know there are many platforms other than patreon mega so that you can port that separate patch with the darker routes in this forum though ...dont know how it will go i hope not releasing officially and releasing as separate patch in the f95zone forum would be choice that can be considered!

All these other platform and upload options still don't change anything about the potential legal dangers which seem to be a major concern for him.

 

[Alea iacta est]

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AUG 02, 2023 03:59 PM
Changes to the game.

Hi guys.

Sorry for the absence recently.

Sadly I'm not returning with any good news but I just need to rip the band aid off and say it straight because I've been shaking at the thought of dropping this news for a week now. Two routes in the game are being removed entirely being Paul's route and Duncan's route. I know these routes in particular are where a lot of my notoriety came from and I know the popularity of the game will take a major hit seeing these routes go but believe me when I say; I didn't make this decision lightly. I recently posted about my Mega account being removed and though Mega's terms & conditions are very open to interpretation due to how loosely they're written; the law leaves no wiggle room. I really just want to make a great game with something for everyone, a lasting experience for those that play but I won't break the law to do it. Around six months into making Episode 1 I looked into the legal side of things when considering Duncan but I stopped thinking that "so many others are doing it, it's probably fine." This is true for most of the game's content but I really should've been more thorough. The law is extremely clear in how it's written and that's the bottom line for me. Some may think this is an unreasonable reaction but please consider yourself in this situation. Possession is one thing but creation and distribution is another.

Duncan will remain in the game as a key component in Riggs' operations but without Paul's routes I see little reason to keep his character in the game. The main story will remain unchanged.

I am so, so sorry to every and anyone who was looking forward to these routes.

Over the next few days I'll be working on an adapted version of the master file with these routes removed, after it's ready I'll re-upload the game. This will undoubtedly create a lot of issues in the coming months but it's a hurdle I'll tackle as we come to it.

I really am sorry but there's no way around it.

//pG

Amazing 2023.... Tech censorship.

Back to the middle age.

I guess I need to fap again on Hitler porn or rape theme porn commonly shared in the 70/80/90/00s.

Years where you can really choose your taste without big corps telling you what is right or wrong in your daily fapping routine

Snowflake society.

Another game that will become a diarrhea of vanilla and politically correct/romance sex scenes... Good to play when you want to fall a sleep.

 

[iainmore]

Amazing 2023.... Tech censorship.

Back to the middle age.

I guess I need to fap again on Hitler porn or rape theme porn commonly shared in the 70/80/90/00.

Snowflake society

Its not just a Snowflake Society its a Wokist World now.

 

[Alea iacta est]

Its not just a Snowflake Society its a Wokist World now.

It is snowflake society....

Porn has always been about breaking rules (religion, history, politic etc).

Now the so called artist are domesticated dogs, lead by tech censorship.

If you don't break the rules you are part of the problem.


There were always politicians, priests or other shit that tried to stop porn.
. But guess what.... In Italy in the 80s were filming porn in the churches despite Vatican and local laws.

This means own it

 

[iainmore]

It is snowflake society....

Porn has always been about breaking rules (religion, history, politic etc).

Now the so called artist are domesticated dogs, lead by tech censorship.

If you don't break the rules you are part of the problem.


There were always politicians, priests or other shit that tried to stop porn.
. But guess what.... In Italy in the 80 where filming porn in the churches despite Vatican and local laws.

This means own it

I don't disagree with you. The Wokist Mind Virus has now spread to Hollywood and it is now running rampant at Netflix etc. Hetero sex and even hetero soft core porn is becoming verboten. Being Hetero is now the new rebellion.

 

[Shelby_Ruman]

All these other platform and upload options still don't change anything about the potential legal dangers which seem to be a major concern for him.

now i am really worried about the riggs and darker routes in the story when tony comes,Is palegrass gonna compromise the sex scenes of darker paths in the future for the sake of this legal issue...dude this really blocks the creative freedom in this medium,mahn i have been waiting to see lisa 's RISE after her major downfall,now i think its just gonna be some hardcore violent scenes(ya ya those vanilla stuffs as in other games) without the pulse in it!!

fuck fuck fuck fuck the system yo!we really need to find some way though!

 

[Alkizon]

now i am really worried about the riggs and darker routes

Because it is the way it is.

In fact, I still don’t quite understand what he is talking about (the one that talking about law and responsibility). At the moment there is a lot of content, that is many times "darker" than such story from “moral” point of view and content lives in free access and no one doing anything with that... hmm now it's making more sense, but still kind of unsure.

Still, I think your "patch" idea looks workable, but let's say it's not patch, but just "unofficial mod by some other artist" (who made it for his own pleasure, and not out of desire to get money from it), go then prove it's not true

ps. To be honest, I'm upset in first place precisely because I was really interested in how author was going to shape continuation of these routes while maintaining balance I mentioned earlier.

 

[Washerestillis]

PaleGrass I don’t know if you are aware of his work but if you check out project Myriam, you will see that he releases a separate patch that has all the taboos. I would recommend that route if all you are worried about is the legal side of things. Now if you are feeling a personal conviction then that is another thing all together and I say more power to you. I personally was very invested in the Paul route to see how it all plays out, so I will admit my disappointment, but you are the creator and I care more about you sticking with your creative integrity. So if you want to stop for you, again more power to you, it’s your baby. But if you are only stopping bc of patreon and mega. Then I would suggest the patch route. At least something to think about. Others please chime in on your thoughts.

 

[TheLecher]

I ask myself who's the degenerated piece of shit that reported him. May your loved ones die slow and painfully and live with it! No way MEGA checked his account accidently.

Probably because the same stuff could make him lose his patreon and because the potential legal rammifications don't just limit itself to his online accounts.

As I said there are more options than MEGA and Patreon.. Still think or hope its gonna be a good game.

While he mentioned Mega in passing in his post, if you look more closely, you can see that the point he stresses is the law, and he mentions that creating and distributing are treated differently than possession.

This probably has to do with the fact that PaleGrass is Irish. I don't know if he's from the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland, but based on this post, I'm guessing that it's Northern Ireland. In Northern Ireland, the laws around pornography are similar to those in England. In both England and Northern Ireland, "extreme pornography" is specifically criminalized. This is only one example among many of how England has gone from once being a truly great nation, to now being a smoking dumpster fire of injustice and oppression. And Northern Ireland, as part of the UK, has sadly followed suit.

So, if PaleGrass does, in fact, live in Northern Ireland, it is possible that making that content is actually a criminal act for him. I haven't researched the Northern Irish pornography laws in depth. In some places, there is a difference in the law between content (photographic or video) which is produced using live models and content produced as CG images or drawings/paintings. So, depending on how the law is actually written, and whether or not there is any case law to support it, it might still be legal for him to produce CG images. But maybe he has already researched it and found out that this is not the case. Or maybe he's just decided to completely avoid the question.

hey just a quick suggestion,is it possible to entirely neglect the blackmail stuffs in the official portal like patreon and mega but can be released as a separate patches in this forum,

If the problem is the law in PG's home country, then this wouldn't be a solution.

but the distress and downfall lisa goes through is really important

I agree.

i know there are many platforms other than patreon mega so that you can port that separate patch with the darker routes in this forum though ...dont know how it will go i hope not releasing officially and releasing as separate patch in the f95zone forum would be choice that can be considered!

Again, based on his comments about the law, I really don't believe this is a Mega/Patreon problem. This is a problem with oppressive and tyrannical laws in his country.

now i am really worried about the riggs and darker routes in the story when tony comes

You should be.

Is palegrass gonna compromise the sex scenes of darker paths in the future for the sake of this legal issue

Yes, he is.

dude this really blocks the creative freedom in this medium

I agree. But we can't expect PG to risk going to prison over this game.

mahn i have been waiting to see lisa 's RISE after her major downfall,now i think its just gonna be some hardcore violent scenes(ya ya those vanilla stuffs as in other games) without the pulse in it!!

I have also been looking forward to that, and I'm bitterly disappointed by this development. But, again, it's not reasonable to ask someone to risk prison over a game.

fuck fuck fuck fuck the system yo!we really need to find some way though!

Well, the best solution is to change the bad laws in Northern Ireland. But neither PG nor any of us will be able to accomplish that in the timeframe necessary to save this game from being ruined. And yes, I do consider the game ruined.

The next best solution (in terms of saving the game from ruin, not in terms of what works for PG in a business sense), would be for PG to move to the Republic of Ireland. But this game doesn't bring in anywhere near enough money for him to pay for a move, and then repeatedly pay for the extra travel expenses to go see his family in Northern Ireland on a regular basis.

Basically, PG got fucked by the tyrannical laws of his home country, and this game got fucked, as well.

 

[Gradel1095]

As Far as I am concerned,

I was never a fan of the Paul Route.

The only issue I see is the Duncan Route as I believe It was an important part of the game.

The way to deal with it could be :

A rebranding of Duncan's Character and when Lisa would be slutty enough for these two to be involved in a sexual manner, (unfortunately no in an too extreme manner ) but dark enough for the narrative of the game ( enough for Palegrass to be not worried about his country's law ) not take a huge hit.

As a result when new Players will play the game, they will not feel something was cut out of the game and when this Awesome game ends Palegrass and the game's contributors would be proud of the Game

 

[SexyShelly]

While he mentioned Mega in passing in his post, if you look more closely, you can see that the point he stresses is the law, and he mentions that creating and distributing are treated differently than possession.

This probably has to do with the fact that PaleGrass is Irish. I don't know if he's from the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland, but based on this post, I'm guessing that it's Northern Ireland. In Northern Ireland, the laws around pornography are similar to those in England. In both England and Northern Ireland, "extreme pornography" is specifically criminalized. This is only one example among many of how England has gone from once being a truly great nation, to now being a smoking dumpster fire of injustice and oppression. And Northern Ireland, as part of the UK, has sadly followed suit.

So, if PaleGrass does, in fact, live in Northern Ireland, it is possible that making that content is actually a criminal act for him. I haven't researched the Northern Irish pornography laws in depth. In some places, there is a difference in the law between content (photographic or video) which is produced using live models and content produced as CG images or drawings/paintings. So, depending on how the law is actually written, and whether or not there is any case law to support it, it might still be legal for him to produce CG images. But maybe he has already researched it and found out that this is not the case. Or maybe he's just decided to completely avoid the question.



If the problem is the law in PG's home country, then this wouldn't be a solution.



I agree.



Again, based on his comments about the law, I really don't believe this is a Mega/Patreon problem. This is a problem with oppressive and tyrannical laws in his country.



You should be.



Yes, he is.



I agree. But we can't expect PG to risk going to prison over this game.



I have also been looking forward to that, and I'm bitterly disappointed by this development. But, again, it's not reasonable to ask someone to risk prison over a game.



Well, the best solution is to change the bad laws in Northern Ireland. But neither PG nor any of us will be able to accomplish that in the timeframe necessary to save this game from being ruined. And yes, I do consider the game ruined.

The next best solution (in terms of saving the game from ruin, not in terms of what works for PG in a business sense), would be for PG to move to the Republic of Ireland. But this game doesn't bring in anywhere near enough money for him to pay for a move, and then repeatedly pay for the extra travel expenses to go see his family in Northern Ireland on a regular basis.

Basically, PG got fucked by the tyrannical laws of his home country, and this game got fucked, as well.

UK law is not against adult games or adult content, (I live UK) PG is able to still create and continue with his game, there is two issues here, one issue, the law in the UK is the also the same in the USA for adult entertainment, in the USA and UK it's illegal for Sextortion or Blackmail, but, that is for real life and online social platforms and is totally different for entertainment purpose such as a games, movies or tv shows, both UK and USA adult laws are the same

The other thing is how Mega notified PG, the links may have been reported as containing illegal content and PG is worried as they (Mega) "notify the legal services" this is what I think PG is more worried about and is changing his game to be on the safe side for him, but, he has nothing to worry about as the police will only act on a report if there is actual real evidence, PG has nothing to worry about, but, he wants to be on the safe side

 

[TheLecher]

UK law is not against adult games or adult content, (I live UK) PG is able to still create and continue with his game, there is two issues here, one issue, the law in the UK is the also the same in the USA for adult entertainment, in the USA and UK it's illegal for Sextortion or Blackmail, but, that is for real life and online social platforms and is totally different for entertainment purpose such as a games, movies or tv shows, both UK and USA adult laws are the same

I never said that UK law prohibits adult games or adult content. I said that UK law prohibits what they call "extreme porn", and that Northern Ireland follows suit.

In either Northern Ireland or the UK, it is illegal to produce porn which depicts rape. In the UK, this does not apply to CG images or to drawings or paintings, unless a reasonable person who looked at those images might believe that they show real people. I don't know the exact wording of the relevant law in Northern Ireland.

As for your statement that UK and US laws are the same when it comes to porn, this is completely false. The laws are very different.