RPGM Lisa [v2.90b] [PaleGrass]

[TheLecher]

I partly agree with the potential that the pillory could have for scenes that are more sadistic than dramatic, but I would like to point out that the pillory as a medieval tool punished the condemned person from the upper part of the body, that is: neck, head and face and the hands, which received from insults to rotten eggs and vegetables, to spitting and throwing excrement. It is we, the perverts of modern times, who would like to use it to hit other parts of the body, (it is not that I would not like it). In fact, it was only a clarification of the real use of the pillory in the Middle Ages and in Latin it derives the word "shame" of the one who received the punishment.

You're right that the primary function of a pillory was public humiliation. However, people were also flogged and otherwise beaten in pillories. In some documented cases, people were even branded, and there is at least one documented case from the late medieval period in England when a man had his ears cut off while he was in the pillory. And, even if there was no other "torture" for some people, the muscle cramping which often resulted from being locked in that position for what was at least an entire day, and often a period of a few days, was no laughing matter. I wasn't speaking lightly when I called it a medieval torture device, and I'm fairly well versed on medieval history.

Also, the etymology of the word does trace back to Latin, as you say, but the Latin word (pila) actually means "pillar", not "shame", because the frame which held the hands and head was usually mounted on top of a pillar or post.

 

[Geko1711]

You're right that the primary function of a pillory was public humiliation. However, people were also flogged and otherwise beaten in pillories. In some documented cases, people were even branded, and there is at least one documented case from the late medieval period in England when a man had his ears cut off while he was in the pillory. And, even if there was no other "torture" for some people, the muscle cramping which often resulted from being locked in that position for what was at least an entire day, and often a period of a few days, was no laughing matter. I wasn't speaking lightly when I called it a medieval torture device, and I'm fairly well versed on medieval history.

Also, the etymology of the word does trace back to Latin, as you say, but the Latin word (pila) actually means "pillar", not "shame", because the frame which held the hands and head was usually mounted on top of a pillar or post.

Etymologically, it descends from 'gonghia' (iron collar), and not (pila) which derives from the Greek goggylos (round); from the Arabic gollon (large iron ring), from which the Spanish derived ar-golla and the Italians goglia and then gogna. In the Middle Ages Latin was still spoken and the people incited the condemned to the 'versus'- 'gogna' (pillory), connecting the two words you get 'ver-gogna' which in English translates as shame, sorry but it is a bit difficult to explain.

 

[Udayana]

Etymologically, it descends from 'gonghia' (iron collar), and not (pila) which derives from the Greek goggylos (round); from the Arabic gollon (large iron ring), from which the Spanish derived ar-golla and the Italians goglia and then gogna. In the Middle Ages Latin was still spoken and the people incited the condemned to the 'versus'- 'gogna' (pillory), connecting the two words you get 'ver-gogna' which in English translates as shame, sorry but it is a bit difficult to explain.

In what language is supposed to be "gonghia"?
So far scholars thought that Italian "vergogna", French "vergogne" derived from the Latin word "verecundia", and English "pillory", French "pilori" from Latin "pilarium" (itself from "pila"), without the phonetical contortions that your fantasy etymologies suppose.

 

[LongoMcFap]

Nice to see educated people like cgi porn games too. Now I feel less perverted and more educated

 

[TheLecher]

Etymologically, it descends from 'gonghia' (iron collar), and not (pila) which derives from the Greek goggylos (round); from the Arabic gollon (large iron ring), from which the Spanish derived ar-golla and the Italians goglia and then gogna. In the Middle Ages Latin was still spoken and the people incited the condemned to the 'versus'- 'gogna' (pillory), connecting the two words you get 'ver-gogna' which in English translates as shame, sorry but it is a bit difficult to explain.

An etymology of "pillory" from "gonghia"? You're definitely going to have to show me a source for that. And before you ask for sources which site the etymology of "pillory" to "pila", I'll list a few.

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  - Scroll down until you see "origin of pillory".
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  provides essentially the same etymology.
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  , which is an online dictionary focused specifically on providing etymologies, offers the same lineage for "pillory".

As for the statement that Latin was still spoken in the middle ages, I'm sure that you're already well aware of the fact that this was only true for the upper classes and scholars. The lower classes did not speak Latin, and this was one of the causative factors leading to the Protestant Reformation, shortly after the end of the medieval period.

In what language is supposed to be "gonghia"?
So far scholars thought that Italian "vergogna", French "vergogne" derived from the Latin word "verecundia", and English "pillory", French "pilori" from Latin "pilarium" (itself from "pila"), without the phonetical contortions that your fantasy etymologies suppose.

Yes, this is the etymology of "pillory" which I know. I've never heard of any etymology through "gonghia". Like I said, I'll need to see sources.

 

[Geko1711]

An etymology of "pillory" from "gonghia"? You're definitely going to have to show me a source for that. And before you ask for sources which site the etymology of "pillory" to "pila", I'll list a few.

• You must be registered to see the links
  - Scroll down until you see "origin of pillory".
• You must be registered to see the links
  provides essentially the same etymology.
• You must be registered to see the links
  , which is an online dictionary focused specifically on providing etymologies, offers the same lineage for "pillory".

As for the statement that Latin was still spoken in the middle ages, I'm sure that you're already well aware of the fact that this was only true for the upper classes and scholars. The lower classes did not speak Latin, and this was one of the causative factors leading to the Protestant Reformation, shortly after the end of the medieval period.



Yes, this is the etymology of "pillory" which I know. I've never heard of any etymology through "gonghia". Like I said, I'll need to see sources.

Derived from Greek and Arabic, and not a fantasy, the pillory was in use even before the Middle Ages.

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[TheLecher]

Derived from Greek and Arabic, and not a fantasy, the pillory was in use even before the Middle Ages.

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You're giving the etymology for "gogna", the Italian word for the device. We're talking about the etymology of "pillory", which is an English language word. Just because it's the same device, it doesn't follow that the Italian and English names for the device have the same etymology. Two different words, in two different languages, are going to have two different etymologies.

Here's the English language page for "pillory" -

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. You'll find the same etymology which I have already given.

As for pillories being in use even before the medieval period, I'll need a source for that, as well. The medieval period, or middle ages, is typically held to be the time from about AD 400 to about AD 1499. The earliest documented reference to a pillory, at least so far as I can discover, is in the Utrecht Psalter, a document which is arguably dated to either the 400s or the 800s. Older scholars tended to date the document to sometime in the 400s, while current scholars tend to favor a date in the 800s. I see that the Utrecht Psalter is mentioned on the Italian Wikipedia entry for gogna, so I'm guessing that you are already aware of this document. Since either of these dates would place the document within the medieval period, I'm not aware of any verifiable historical references to pillories being used before the medieval period began. Is it possible? Sure. Do we have any historical documentation of it? Not to my knowledge.

 

[Skylark21]

All this ^^ over a single wallpaper . Only If I could write essays like these back when I was in school.

 

[Klopdwerg]

Can't seem to trigger the Aiofe College scene.

I entered college and talker to ms Short allthough she only sais "Hi Lisa" to me.
And when i leave i don't see or meet Aiofe.

Can someone help me? Am i missing something?

btw is it possible that this scene is part of Episode 2 Chapter 2 v1.0 Alpha ?
Am playing the 0.5 final version.

 

[Geko1711]

You're giving the etymology for "gogna", the Italian word for the device. We're talking about the etymology of "pillory", which is an English language word. Just because it's the same device, it doesn't follow that the Italian and English names for the device have the same etymology. Two different words, in two different languages, are going to have two different etymologies.

Here's the English language page for "pillory" -

You must be registered to see the links

. You'll find the same etymology which I have already given.

As for pillories being in use even before the medieval period, I'll need a source for that, as well. The medieval period, or middle ages, is typically held to be the time from about AD 400 to about AD 1499. The earliest documented reference to a pillory, at least so far as I can discover, is in the Utrecht Psalter, a document which is arguably dated to either the 400s or the 800s. Older scholars tended to date the document to sometime in the 400s, while current scholars tend to favor a date in the 800s. I see that the Utrecht Psalter is mentioned on the Italian Wikipedia entry for gogna, so I'm guessing that you are already aware of this document. Since either of these dates would place the document within the medieval period, I'm not aware of any verifiable historical references to pillories being used before the medieval period began. Is it possible? Sure. Do we have any historical documentation of it? Not to my knowledge.

Now I think it is becoming really OT to continue on this topic, I just say, giving me the right to reply and it is my deduction that if the entimology of the word in Italian derives from the Greek and Arabic for iron ring and the first gogne were made of that material was used in the late Middle Ages or even during the Roman Empire. The Italian language and the Latin languages derive from Greek and Latin and many current terms in Italian are the cognugation of two words, one Latin and one Greek, put together.
And with this I close the topic if you want to continue with a private message.

 

[homejorz]

When is beta supposed to drop?

 

[Runner17]

Can't seem to trigger the Aiofe College scene.

I entered college and talker to ms Short allthough she only sais "Hi Lisa" to me.
And when i leave i don't see or meet Aiofe.

Can someone help me? Am i missing something?

btw is it possible that this scene is part of Episode 2 Chapter 2 v1.0 Alpha ?
Am playing the 0.5 final version.

Did you meet Aiofe in the coffee house? This would be the second meeting with her in the West District. I believe your correct thinking you need Episode 2 Chapter 2. The college scene is really simple if the previous requirement is met.

 

[Runner17]

Lisa and Viv hooking up is this going to screw me over with Sharon? If it is I need to do a replay.

 

[Runner17]

PaleGrass are you going to create a path where we can follow Sharon? That's my perfect example of a slut and a hardass tied into one.

 

[TheLecher]

Now I think it is becoming really OT to continue on this topic, I just say, giving me the right to reply and it is my deduction that if the entimology of the word in Italian derives from the Greek and Arabic for iron ring and the first gogne were made of that material was used in the late Middle Ages or even during the Roman Empire. The Italian language and the Latin languages derive from Greek and Latin and many current terms in Italian are the cognugation of two words, one Latin and one Greek, put together.
And with this I close the topic if you want to continue with a private message.

Or I can just reply here. The conversation continues, so long as we are both participating. It doesn't just end when one of us says so. If you want to end the conversation, you can just stop replying. That won't close the topic, necessarily, but it will end the conversation between you and I on this subject.

Latin does not derive from Greek. Greek is certainly the older language, and some Latin words were descended from certain Greek words, and the Latin alphabet was adapted from both the Etruscan and the Greek alphabets, but that's as far as it goes. In the same way, a lot of English words descended from Latin words, and the English language uses the Latin alphabet, but English is not derived from Latin. It is a separate language which was simply influenced by Latin. Latin and Greek are two different branches of the Proto-Indo-European family of languages. They both descend from the same earlier language, and they share the similarities mentioned, but they remain separate branches. But even if Latin were derived from Greek, and again, it is not, that wouldn't change the fact that the etymology for "pillory" traces back to the Latin "pila", which means "pillar," and not the etymology which you offered, which was for a different word.

And, even if we could agree on the etymology of the word "pillory", the original cause of this discussion was that I maintain that the pillory was a medieval torture device, and you were arguing that it was historically only used for public shaming.

 

[Shelby_Ruman]

Or I can just reply here. The conversation continues, so long as we are both participating. It doesn't just end when one of us says so. If you want to end the conversation, you can just stop replying. That won't close the topic, necessarily, but it will end the conversation between you and I on this subject.

Latin does not derive from Greek. Greek is certainly the older language, and some Latin words were descended from certain Greek words, and the Latin alphabet was adapted from both the Etruscan and the Greek alphabets, but that's as far as it goes. In the same way, a lot of English words descended from Latin words, and the English language uses the Latin alphabet, but English is not derived from Latin. It is a separate language which was simply influenced by Latin. Latin and Greek are two different branches of the Proto-Indo-European family of languages. They both descend from the same earlier language, and they share the similarities mentioned, but they remain separate branches. But even if Latin were derived from Greek, and again, it is not, that wouldn't change the fact that the etymology for "pillory" traces back to the Latin "pila", which means "pillar," and not the etymology which you offered, which was for a different word.

And, even if we could agree on the etymology of the word "pillory", the original cause of this discussion was that I maintain that the pillory was a medieval torture device, and you were arguing that it was historically only used for public shaming.

Guys Come On stop it!!

I would really like to see/have Conversations between ideas rather than a debate on the historical accuracy of an equipment!

Come on more ideas can be generated for Lisa!

I will add a bit to my thing here!!

Who would really like to see Lisa like this and more porno shoots/stuffs in the future!?

Probably a idea for Palegrass for a future wallpaper stuff!

 

[TheLecher]

Guys Come On stop it!!

I would really like to see/have Conversations between ideas rather than a debate on the historical accuracy of an equipment!

Have whatever conversation you want to have. No one's stopping you. And I'll probably join in. But don't try to tell me what conversations I can and cannot have. Leave that to the mods.

Just skip over the posts you don't like.

 

[NewTricks]

I find this conversation about the etymology of one of the many names given to a torture/restraint device endlessly fascinating. Not for the discussion itself, which is a bore, but to observe the implacable and truculent attitudes that keep the conversation going. It is like looking into a petri dish and watching cancer spread. I find myself wanting to scroll back several pages and see what kind of comment sent us into this spiral of insanity, but then again I worry that I too may be infected.

 

[123Ins123]

Can't seem to trigger the Aiofe College scene.

I entered college and talker to ms Short allthough she only sais "Hi Lisa" to me.
And when i leave i don't see or meet Aiofe.

Can someone help me? Am i missing something?

btw is it possible that this scene is part of Episode 2 Chapter 2 v1.0 Alpha ?
Am playing the 0.5 final version.

This episode starting with Aiofe at the college is implemented only in the Lisa E2Ch2 1.0 version.

 

[Klopdwerg]

This episode starting with Aiofe at the college is implemented only in the Lisa E2Ch2 1.0 version.

Thanks, explains a lot.

Haven't played that version yet since its compressed. Don't you miss alot of quality then?