RPGM Lisa [v2.90b] [PaleGrass]

[Gradel1095]

As Far as I am concerned,

I was never a fan of the Paul Route.

The only issue I see is the Duncan Route as I believe It was an important part of the game.

The way to deal with it could be :

A rebranding of Duncan's Character and when Lisa would be slutty enough for these two to be involved in a sexual manner, (unfortunately no in an too extreme manner ) but dark enough for the narrative of the game ( enough for Palegrass to be not worried about his country's law ) not take a huge hit.

As a result when new Players will play the game, they will not feel something was cut out of the game and when this Awesome game ends Palegrass and the game's contributors would be proud of the Game

 

[SexyShelly]

While he mentioned Mega in passing in his post, if you look more closely, you can see that the point he stresses is the law, and he mentions that creating and distributing are treated differently than possession.

This probably has to do with the fact that PaleGrass is Irish. I don't know if he's from the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland, but based on this post, I'm guessing that it's Northern Ireland. In Northern Ireland, the laws around pornography are similar to those in England. In both England and Northern Ireland, "extreme pornography" is specifically criminalized. This is only one example among many of how England has gone from once being a truly great nation, to now being a smoking dumpster fire of injustice and oppression. And Northern Ireland, as part of the UK, has sadly followed suit.

So, if PaleGrass does, in fact, live in Northern Ireland, it is possible that making that content is actually a criminal act for him. I haven't researched the Northern Irish pornography laws in depth. In some places, there is a difference in the law between content (photographic or video) which is produced using live models and content produced as CG images or drawings/paintings. So, depending on how the law is actually written, and whether or not there is any case law to support it, it might still be legal for him to produce CG images. But maybe he has already researched it and found out that this is not the case. Or maybe he's just decided to completely avoid the question.



If the problem is the law in PG's home country, then this wouldn't be a solution.



I agree.



Again, based on his comments about the law, I really don't believe this is a Mega/Patreon problem. This is a problem with oppressive and tyrannical laws in his country.



You should be.



Yes, he is.



I agree. But we can't expect PG to risk going to prison over this game.



I have also been looking forward to that, and I'm bitterly disappointed by this development. But, again, it's not reasonable to ask someone to risk prison over a game.



Well, the best solution is to change the bad laws in Northern Ireland. But neither PG nor any of us will be able to accomplish that in the timeframe necessary to save this game from being ruined. And yes, I do consider the game ruined.

The next best solution (in terms of saving the game from ruin, not in terms of what works for PG in a business sense), would be for PG to move to the Republic of Ireland. But this game doesn't bring in anywhere near enough money for him to pay for a move, and then repeatedly pay for the extra travel expenses to go see his family in Northern Ireland on a regular basis.

Basically, PG got fucked by the tyrannical laws of his home country, and this game got fucked, as well.

UK law is not against adult games or adult content, (I live UK) PG is able to still create and continue with his game, there is two issues here, one issue, the law in the UK is the also the same in the USA for adult entertainment, in the USA and UK it's illegal for Sextortion or Blackmail, but, that is for real life and online social platforms and is totally different for entertainment purpose such as a games, movies or tv shows, both UK and USA adult laws are the same

The other thing is how Mega notified PG, the links may have been reported as containing illegal content and PG is worried as they (Mega) "notify the legal services" this is what I think PG is more worried about and is changing his game to be on the safe side for him, but, he has nothing to worry about as the police will only act on a report if there is actual real evidence, PG has nothing to worry about, but, he wants to be on the safe side

 

[TheLecher]

UK law is not against adult games or adult content, (I live UK) PG is able to still create and continue with his game, there is two issues here, one issue, the law in the UK is the also the same in the USA for adult entertainment, in the USA and UK it's illegal for Sextortion or Blackmail, but, that is for real life and online social platforms and is totally different for entertainment purpose such as a games, movies or tv shows, both UK and USA adult laws are the same

I never said that UK law prohibits adult games or adult content. I said that UK law prohibits what they call "extreme porn", and that Northern Ireland follows suit.

In either Northern Ireland or the UK, it is illegal to produce porn which depicts rape. In the UK, this does not apply to CG images or to drawings or paintings, unless a reasonable person who looked at those images might believe that they show real people. I don't know the exact wording of the relevant law in Northern Ireland.

As for your statement that UK and US laws are the same when it comes to porn, this is completely false. The laws are very different.

 

[Lara Snow]

Lol good riddance Paul.

Who was Duncan? I can't remember, I'm bad with names.

 

[iainmore]

So this will be the last "Uncensored" version of Lisa?????

 

[iainmore]

I never said that UK law prohibits adult games or adult content. I said that UK law prohibits what they call "extreme porn", and that Northern Ireland follows suit.

In either Northern Ireland or the UK, it is illegal to produce porn which depicts rape. In the UK, this does not apply to CG images or to drawings or paintings, unless a reasonable person who looked at those images might believe that they show real people. I don't know the exact wording of the relevant law in Northern Ireland.

As for your statement that UK and US laws are the same when it comes to porn, this is completely false. The laws are very different.

I don't think it matters what the Laws in the UK and USA in relation to porn say man. The Feminists and Wokists are equally rabid in both places. They might be even more rabid in the UK as the Feminists and Wokists are closing down Bank Accounts if they dont like the Customers views on sexuality and not even informing the Customer that they are doing so. TRUE!!! As you know if you arent filthy rich then you are well fucked as you cant afford the greedy Legal rapists.

 

[TheLecher]

I don't think it matters what the Laws in the UK and USA in relation to porn say man. The Feminists and Wokists are equally rabid in both places. They might be even more rabid in the UK as the Feminists and Wokists are closing down Bank Accounts if they dont like the Customers views on sexuality and not even informing the Customer that they are doing so. TRUE!!! As you know if you arent filthy rich then you are well fucked as you cant afford the greedy Legal rapists.

That's not the problem here. PaleGrass isn't changing the game because of protests from crazy radfems, or because someone locked down his bank accounts. He's changing the game because he's afraid that he's breaking the law.

If he's in Northern Ireland, than he is actually breaking the law with some of this content. That's not how it should be. Those are bad laws. But they're still laws, and there is a very small and remote possibility that he could get into legal trouble for making the Paul and Duncan content. (The scene of Riggs abusing Aoife outside of Theo's place will also have to go. And content which he had planned for other characters will also now be cut out of the game.)

If he's in the Republic of Ireland, then he is not breaking the law in any way, and all of the Paul and Duncan content can stay without causing him any trouble.

Since he's changing the game, it's probably safe to assume that he's in Northern Ireland. Either that, or he's allowed himself to get into a panic over laws which don't apply to him.

 

[iainmore]

That's not the problem here. PaleGrass isn't changing the game because of protests from crazy radfems, or because someone locked down his bank accounts. He's changing the game because he's afraid that he's breaking the law.

If he's in Northern Ireland, than he is actually breaking the law with some of this content. That's not how it should be. Those are bad laws. But they're still laws, and there is a very small and remote possibility that he could get into legal trouble for making the Paul and Duncan content. (The scene of Riggs abusing Aoife outside of Theo's place will also have to go. And content which he had planned for other characters will also now be cut out of the game.)

If he's in the Republic of Ireland, then he is not breaking the law in any way, and all of the Paul and Duncan content can stay without causing him any trouble.

Since he's changing the game, it's probably safe to assume that he's in Northern Ireland. Either that, or he's allowed himself to get into a panic over laws which don't apply to him.

He doesn't have to break the Law in the UK - That is what I am saying. If he isn't filthy rich then he is fucked. Once the RadFems and Wokists and Religious nutters target you then you are fucked. They will target you where you live regardless of the Law. There are a lot of Religious nutters in UK as well and in NI in particular. My ISP IN UK censors my browsing and I have to use a VPN to get around them. It is not ideal but it is the only way to stick a finger up to the RadFems, Wokists and Religious nutters.

 

[maiie]

He doesn't have to break the Law in the UK - That is what I am saying. If he isn't filthy rich then he is fucked. Once the RadFems and Wokists and Religious nutters target you then you are fucked. They will target you where you live regardless of the Law. There are a lot of Religious nutters in UK as well and in NI in particular. My ISP IN UK censors my browsing and I have to use a VPN to get around them. It is not ideal but it is the only way to stick a finger up to the RadFems, Wokists and Religious nutters.

And don't forget about the reverse vampires!

 

[maiie]

the distress and downfall lisa goes through is really important

Weren't these characters primarily in optional routes? How important could it have been?

 

[Skorm007]

Weren't these characters primarily in optional routes? How important could it have been?

Exactly, yes the rest of the story is gradually gonna get darker but there are different ways to show that other than outright sexual violence.
I doubt the game was gonna go hard in the direction those two routes went, otherwise they wouldn't have been optional with big disclaimers.

 

[TheLecher]

Weren't these characters primarily in optional routes? How important could it have been?

Whether Lisa stays with Danny in a monogamous relationship, stays with him in a swinging relationship, stays with him while cheating, or breaks up with him are also all optional routes (Not in the sense that you can completely opt out of all four paths, since you do have to choose one of these options, but in the sense that, once you pick your path, the others don't count.). That doesn't mean that these aren't important decisions for the player.

But yes, the optional paths with Duncan and Paul can be skipped without changing the central and essential plot points of the story. That doesn't change the fact that, for myself and a lot of other people who care about freedom of expression and artistic freedom, this is a big deal.

 

[Htyur]

Sad this will become like any other vanilla game with no edge to it. Wish you could just change some writing in Duncan path but at the end of the day it is your game. I hope for the best for the future releases.

 

[brokenone222]

Lol good riddance Paul.

Who was Duncan? I can't remember, I'm bad with names.

U celebrating while the Paul Route was one of the most popular routes in the game according to Pale. So this is bummer news to most who play the game.

 

[NasValir]

It's such a shame that Mega allowed just one person named "RanCor" falsely report your links and just ban your account so easily from one false report, one person, out of hate towards female protag games being shown as the editors choice on Fap-Nation that caused you so much stress and worry, I understand that you want to play it safe for your and your game future, but, none of this is your or your game fault

Can't we just propose to turn that retard whos only success in his life to report others for the most useless reasons into some garbage character in the game which Lisa can break and dominate in the most sadistic ways (evil grin).
Of course if the so called "LAW" even allows that.

 

[seismyth]

Paul's route can be redone in a way that hides it in plain sight. Paul could say find her under the influence of a said drug or drunk and hook up with her. There's ways to keep both routes but you'd have to re-adjust or rebuild then in such a way that allows for certain aspects to be incorporated. Lisa's dislike for Paul could be the way she disguises her need for exploration of her darker side of sex. While the other person can be her having Daddy issues and exploring the option of seeking attention of older men. It all depends on how it will impact the evolution of Lisa and how pale grass might consider bringing it back in a way that implements similar or parallel elements to the story itself. There's room for it, just depends on the method and implementation of it

 

[Ataman87]

The dude is dropping Duncan and Paul's route i read his "official" post. And there were people who suggest that he shoud remove it from the official game and re-add it using some sort of patch. But he said "he is playing it safe" so i gues that wont happen. Honestly i dont much care about rape in fact i find it disgusting so i dont care about it in fact im pleased since it means more consensual content.

 

[banqwert]

The dude is dropping Duncan and Paul's route i read his "official" post. And there were people who suggest that he shoud remove it from the official game and re-add it using some sort of patch. But he said "he is playing it safe" so i gues that wont happen. Honestly i dont much care about rape in fact i find it disgusting so i dont care about it in fact im pleased since it means more consensual content.

Great to know you are a fan of consent but insist on playing a game with blackmail and rape tags. Reckon you also love doing your sister in missionary only. Hats off mate.

 

[Alea iacta est]

Great to know you are a fan of consent but insist on playing a game with blackmail and rape tags. Reckon you also love doing your sister in missionary only. Hats off mate.

Fan of consent.... Fuck off lol

 

[Cabin]

Yo ,yo wtf happened here ?
I did not visit the thread for a very long time because of my exams
What is all this bullshit about laws,police and stuff ??